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George Allen's Race Problem - Pin Prick
The New Republic ^ | 4/28/06

Posted on 04/28/2006 5:58:15 AM PDT by areafiftyone

Senator George Allen is the only person in Virginia who wears cowboy boots. It's a warm and bright spring day in the swampy southeastern Virginia town of Wakefield, site of the annual Virginia political fest known as Shad Planking. Once a whites-only event where state Democrats picked their nominees, Shad Planking is now a multiracial affair where candidates from both parties come to show off their regular-guy bona fides and trade lighthearted barbs. Beer flows freely. Knots of tailgaters gossip about state politics. In a clearing amid tall pines, shad is cooked on long wooden boards. Though the two Democrats fighting for a shot to challenge Allen this year in his Senate reelection campaign both show up for the event, Allen clearly owns the crowd, as the sea of royal blue allen t-shirts and baseball caps makes clear. The senator has emerged as the principal conservative alternative to John McCain in the early jockeying among 2008 Republican presidential candidates, and today's event is a reminder of what conservatives love about him. p>But nobody else wears cowboy boots. The guy passing out the stickers that say i support confederate history month is in sneakers. The libertarian who asks me to ask Allen about industrial hemp and abolition of the IRS is in very sensible shoes. The pink and pudgy sports-radio host drawling friendly questions at Allen is in loafers. A guy walks up to Allen and sticks a piece of paper in his hand. "Some people are handing out these, saying you aren't pro-gun enough," he tells the senator, a little menacingly. I look down at his feet. High-tops. 

There is a guy in a bolo tie. This excites Allen, who is quoted in the newspaper the next day approvingly advising bolo guy, "If you're going to wear a tie, that's the one to wear." Allen has lots of finely honed opinions about red-state cultural aesthetics, and he is always eager to share them. He talks with the radio host about the merits of Virginia's different country music stations. Allen is dismayed about the modern country played on one AM station. "I like the real country music," he says. 

It's credible enthusiasm given that, this afternoon, Allen resembles a froufrou version of Toby Keith. He is wearing a blue button-down shirt and brown pants accented with a fat brass belt buckle that says virginia in stylized, countrified letters. And, of course, he's wearing the cowboy boots. They are black, broken in, and vaguely reptilian. From his back pocket, he removes a tin of Copenhagen--"the brand of choice for adult consumers who identify with its rugged, individual and uncompromising image," according to the company--and taps a fat wad of the tobacco between his lip and gum using an impressive one-handed maneuver. As the scrum breaks up, Allen turns away and spits a long brown streak of saliva into the dirt, just missing one of his constituents, a carefully put-together, blonde, ponytailed woman approaching the senator for an autograph. She stops in her tracks and stares with disgust at the bubbly tobacco juice that almost landed on her feet. Without missing a beat, Allen's communications director, John Reid, reassures her: "That's just authenticity!" 

It's a word they use a lot it the Allen world--"authenticity." His aides and the growing ranks of conservative backers hungry for someone to take out McCain emphasize Allen's down-home credentials and cowboy-boot charisma far more than his voting record. A glowing National Review cover story, to take one recent example, trumpeted Allen's preternatural fluency in the sports metaphor-laden language of American masculinity. This gift for communicating in the vernacular of John Madden doesn't just distinguish him; it makes him the ideal vehicle for a particular brand of Republican campaign strategy. As the GOP has grown increasingly adept at turning elections into contests about style and character rather than issues and ideas, some Republicans have become obsessed with finding candidates who can project the cultural identity of a red-state everyman. It sometimes seems that pro-nascar has replaced pro-life as the party's litmus test. 

While Allen's shit-kickin' image may be the subject of certain Republican consultant fantasies, it may not be ideal in the current political climate. A certain someone has, after all, used that shtick before, effectively bludgeoning his Democratic opponents with his Texas brand of cultural populism. But, by now, that folksy act looks a little spent. And, although Allen is undoubtedly the hot new thing within the Beltway's conservative establishment, some denizens of K Street and right-wing newsrooms have begun doubting whether he represents their best hope to snuff out the burgeoning campaign of their enemy, McCain. "If my choice is, 'Who do I want to go out with to a fun dinner to drink our brains out,'" says one of the party's top fund-raisers who has met with Allen many times, "there's no question, it'd be Allen. He's a guy's guy, but he didn't blow me away in terms of substance." 

Fortunately for Allen, he has a protean ability to shift political personas to adapt to the prevailing political fashions. In the 1980s, he was a Reagan revolutionary. As governor of Virginia at the height of the Gingrich insurgency, he promoted his own version of the Contract with America throughout his state. As Virginia modernized, with high-tech eclipsing the tobacco economy, he remade himself as a traveling-salesman governor, luring new companies to the state. 

Even in these early days of his budding presidential campaign, he has slipped out of the self-styled image of Bush's most loyal foot soldier. He now says the president is welcome to campaign for him but expresses no enthusiasm for the idea. He tells reporters he is more like Ronald Reagan than George W. Bush. But it's not Bush from whom Allen ultimately needs to distance himself. There is a graveyard of old Allen personas--unpresidential personas, downright ugly ones--that could threaten his political ascendance. Even his authentic self--or, rather, the man described by his own family--might prove just as great a liability. His identity crisis has created the most intriguing duel of 2008: Before he runs for president, George Allen has to run against himself. 

It's mid-April, and the private plane carrying Allen and his entourage has just landed at the Stafford Regional Airport. After months of out-of-state fundraising and sojourns into Iowa and New Hampshire, the senator is suddenly taking care of business back home with a three-day, eleven-city reelection announcement tour. Jim Webb, Reagan's Navy secretary, is running in the Democratic primary, Bush's job approval rating in the state is in the 30s, and there is some cautious talk about Virginia, once a presumed gimme for Allen, becoming a competitive race. 

After all the heady presidential planning--the hiring of big-name consultants like Mary Matalin, Ed Gillespie, and Dick Wadhams and the first-place finish in fund-raising last quarter--nothing could bring Allen down to earth faster than the Stafford event. There are less than three dozen people here, including numerous Allen aides. The wind knocks over the American and Virginia flags that form Allen's backdrop. And then there is Craig Ennis, who says he's an independent candidate here to debate Allen. His t-shirt says u.s. special forces: motivated, dedicated, lethal. He positions himself in front of the platform on which Allen and his wife, Susan, stand and holds a homemade sign: why do you hide from me? 

Allen delivers a stump speech that rests heavily on his record as governor from 1994 to 1998 and skips rapidly over the details of his five years in the Senate. The soft-peddling of his legislative record may have struck the audience as a strange tack for an incumbent. But it has its own compelling political logic. Allen knows that senators have a dismal record as presidential candidates. There is, however, an equally compelling reason why Allen might not want to revisit his years in Richmond. 

In the early '90s, Allen exuded the revolutionary spirit of the Republican insurgency. His 1994 inaugural address as governor promised to "fight the beast of tyranny and oppression that our federal government has become." That year, he also endorsed Oliver North for the Senate even as Virginia Senator John Warner and others in the party establishment shunned the convicted felon. At North's nominating convention, Allen proposed a somewhat overwrought approach for beating Democrats: "My friends--and I say this figuratively--let's enjoy knocking their soft teeth down their whining throats." 

But, while Allen may have genuflected in the direction of Gingrich, he also showed a touch of Strom Thurmond. Campaigning for governor in 1993, he admitted to prominently displaying a Confederate flag in his living room. He said it was part of a flag collection--and had been removed at the start of his gubernatorial bid. When it was learned that he kept a noose hanging on a ficus tree in his law office, he said it was part of a Western memorabilia collection. These explanations may be sincere. But, as a chief executive, he also compiled a controversial record on race. In 1994, he said he would accept an honorary membership at a Richmond social club with a well-known history of discrimination--an invitation that the three previous governors had refused. After an outcry, Allen rejected the offer. He replaced the only black member of the University of Virginia (UVA) Board of Visitors with a white one. He issued a proclamation drafted by the Sons of Confederate Veterans declaring April Confederate History and Heritage Month. The text celebrated Dixie's "four-year struggle for independence and sovereign rights." There was no mention of slavery. After some of the early flaps, a headline in The Washington Post read, "governor seen leading va. back in time." 

Allen has described those early years as a learning experience. Indeed, he sanded off the rough edges and began molding himself to the Bush era, when conservatives began abandoning the crudeness of their old Southern strategy. During the second half of his gubernatorial term, Allen began positioning himself as the next cool thing in Republican politics, a governor more interested in results than partisanship. Indeed, at the Stafford Airport stump speech, there are no confederate flags or coded racial appeals. Instead, Allen talks about energy independence and the competitive challenge from rising economies like China's and India's. If it weren't for some of the rhetoric about "tax commissars," one might mistake Allen's stump speech for a Tom Friedman column. 

Even if the moderate turn leads voters to remember the governor of fiscal responsibility rather than the Confederate history booster, there's still a problem. Before there was a Governor Allen, there was a state legislator Allen. Allen became active in Virginia politics in the mid-'70s, when state Republicans were first learning how to assemble a new political coalition by wooing white Democrats with appeals to states' rights and respect for Dixie heritage. 

Allen was a quick study. In his first race in 1979--according to Larry Sabato, a UVA professor and college classmate of Allen's--he ran a radio ad decrying a congressional redistricting plan whose main purpose was to elect Virginia's first post-Reconstruction black congressman. Allen lost that race but was back in 1982 and won the seat by 25 votes. He spent the next nine years in Richmond, where his pet issues, judging by the bills he personally sponsored, were crime and welfare. But he also found himself repeatedly voting in the minority on a series of racial issues that he seems embarrassed by today. In 1984, he was one of 27 House members to vote against a state holiday commemorating Martin Luther King Jr. The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported, "Allen said the state shouldn't honor a non-Virginian with his own holiday." He was also bothered by the fact that the proposed holiday would fall on the day set aside in Virginia to honor Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. That same year, he did feel the urge to honor one of Virginia's own. He co-sponsored a resolution expressing "regret and sorrow upon the loss" of William Munford Tuck, a politician who opposed every piece of civil rights legislation while in Congress during the 1950s and 1960s and promised "massive resistance" to the Supreme Court's 1954 decision banning segregation. 

None of this means Allen is a racist, of course. He is certainly not the same guy today that he was in the '80s. But his interest in Southern heritage and his fetish for country culture goes back even further. And what's truly improbable is how someone with his upbringing ever acquired such backwoods tastes. 

George Allen is the oldest child of legendary football coach George Herbert Allen, and, when his father was on the road, young George often acted as a surrogate dad to his siblings. According to his sister Jennifer, he was particularly strict about bedtimes. One night, his brother Bruce stayed up past his bedtime. George threw him through a sliding glass door. For the same offense, on a different occasion, George tackled his brother Gregory and broke his collarbone. When Jennifer broke her bedtime curfew, George dragged her upstairs by her hair. 

George tormented Jennifer enough that, when she grew up, she wrote a memoir of what it was like living in the Allen family. In one sense, the book, Fifth Quarter, from which these details are culled, is unprecedented. No modern presidential candidate has ever had such a harsh and personal account of his life delivered to the public by a close family member. The book paints Allen as a cartoonishly sadistic older brother who holds Jennifer by her feet over Niagara Falls on a family trip (instilling in her a lifelong fear of heights) and slams a pool cue into her new boyfriend's head. "George hoped someday to become a dentist," she writes. "George said he saw dentistry as a perfect profession--getting paid to make people suffer." 

Whuppin' his siblings might have been a natural prelude to Confederate sympathies and noose-collecting if Allen had grown up in, say, a shack in Alabama. But what is most puzzling about Allen's interest in the old Confederacy is that he didn't grow up in the South. Like a military brat, Allen hopscotched around the country on a route set by his father's coaching career. The son was born in Whittier, California, in 1952 (Whittier College Poets), moved to the suburbs of Chicago for eight years (the Bears), and arrived in Southern California as a teenager (the Rams). In Palos Verdes, an exclusive cliffside community, he lived in a palatial home with sweeping views of downtown Los Angeles and the Santa Monica basin. It had handmade Italian tiles and staircases that his eccentric mother, Etty, designed to match those in the Louvre. "It looks like a French chacirc;teau," says Linda Hurt Germany, a high school classmate. 

Even the elder George Allen wasn't Southern--he grew up in the Midwest--but the oddest part of the myth of George Allen's Dixie rusticity is his mother. Rather than a Southern belle, Etty was, in fact, French, and, as such, she was a deliciously indiscreet cultural libertine. She would do housework in her bra and panties. She wore muumuus and wraparound sunglasses and once won a belly button contest. According to Jennifer, "Mom prided herself for being un-American. ... She was ashamed that she had given up her French citizenship to become a citizen of a country she deemed infantile." When her husband later moved the family to Virginia, Etty despised living in the state. She was also anti-Washington before her son ever was, albeit in a slightly more continental fashion. "Washingtonians think their town resembles Paris," she once scoffed. "If Paris passed gas, you'd have Washington." 

Allen is now so associated with football--he played at Palos Verdes High School and at UVA, speaks in famously complicated football metaphors, and frequently tosses around the pigskin at campaign events--that he is most often described in relation to his father. But his siblings have said he actually takes after mom. Like Etty, George saw himself as disconnected from the culture in which he lived. He hated California and, while there, became obsessed with the supposed authenticity of rural life--or at least what he imagined it to be from episodes of "Hee Haw," his favorite TV show, or family vacations in Mexico, where he rode horses. Perhaps because of his peripatetic childhood, the South's deeply rooted culture attracted him. Or perhaps it was a romance with the masculinity and violence of that culture; his father, who was not one to spare the rod, once broke his son Gregory's nose in a fight. Whatever it was, Allen got his first pair of those now-iconic cowboy boots from one of his father's players on the Rams who received them as a promotional freebie. He also learned to dip from his dad's players. At school, he started to wear an Australian bush hat, complete with a dangling chin strap and the left brim snapped up. He wore the hat for a yearbook photo of the falconry club. His favorite record was Johnny Cash's At Folsom Prison. Writing of her brother's love for the "big, slow-witted Junior" on "Hee Haw," Jennifer reports, "[t]here was also something mildly country-thuggish about Junior that I think George felt akin to." 

In high school, Allen's "Hee Haw" persona made him a polarizing figure. "He rode a little red Mustang around with a Confederate flag plate on the front," says Patrick Campbell, an old classmate, who now works for the Public Works Department in Manhattan Beach, California. "I mean, it was absurd-looking in our neighborhood." Hurt Germany, who now lives in Paso Robles, California, explodes with anger at the mention of Allen's name. "The guy is horrible," she complains. "He drove around with a Confederate flag on his Mustang. I can't believe he's going to run for president." Another classmate, who asks that I not use her name, also remembers Allen's obsession with Dixie: "My impression is that he was a rebel. He plastered the school with Confederate flags." 

Politically, Allen's years in Palos Verdes were dominated by the lingering racial tensions from the riots in nearby Watts in 1965--when that neighborhood was practically burned to the ground--and the nationwide riots following the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. in 1968, which left other parts of Southern California in flames. It is with that context in mind that four former classmates and one former administrator at Allen's high school described to me an event for which Allen is most remembered--and the first glimpse that the château-raised Californian might grow up to become a defender of the South's heritage. 

It was the night before a major basketball game with Morningside High. The mostly black inner-city school adjacent to Watts was coming to the almost entirely white Palos Verdes High to play. When students arrived at school on game day, they found graffiti spray-painted on the school library and other places. All five people who described the incident say the graffiti was racially tinged and meant to look like the handiwork of the black Morningside students. But it was actually put there by Allen and some of his friends. "It was something like die whitey," says Campbell. The school administrator, who says he is a Republican and would "seriously consider" voting for Allen for president, says the graffiti said, "burn, baby, burn," a reference to the race riots. 

Soon after, Allen finally got the chance to become a Southerner. In 1971, his dad was hired to coach the Redskins, and the Allens relocated to Virginia. Allen transferred from ucla, where he spent his first year of college, to UVA. The old "Hee Haw" fan was like a pig in slop. Even at Virginia's own state school, Allen stood out for his showy brand of good ol' boyness. Under the headline "allen and country living," a 1973 profile in the school paper noted his penchant for country music had earned him the campus nickname of "Neck." He drove a pickup truck (paid for by the Redskins). He wore cowboy boots. He supported Richard Nixon and the war in Vietnam. He once shot a squirrel on campus, skinned it, ate it, and hung its pelt on his wall. "He was trying to be more Virginian than the average Virginian," says Sabato. 

After graduating, Allen stuck around UVA for three years of law school. Professors remember him as the guy in the back row of class spitting tobacco into a cup. "He was Mr. Cool," says a UVA law professor who taught him. "But, if you would have said he would go on to be governor, senator, and then run for president, people would have said that was the least probable thing that would ever happen."  span class="articlecontent">

I am standing in front of George Allen, but he doesn't seem to notice me. He's seated behind a tank-sized wooden desk in his Senate office, buried in paperwork. In front of him is a white spit cup, the outside of it stained a little brown by some errant saliva. Though I've been announced and walked the length of his football field of an office to greet him, he is distracted. I stand for an awkward moment before he finally bounds out of his chair, opening up his six-foot-four frame--perhaps five with cowboy-boot heels--and welcomes me with a hearty shake and a tobacco-specked smile. 

His office might be called classically senatorial. In the reception area, there are three walls of power photos, political cartoons, and action shots of Allen. There's Allen driving a race car. Allen on a horse. Allen throwing a football. A cover story from Richmond magazine features his wife: "what vips drive--first lady susan allen ♥ her 4wd."  

Allen and I talk a little about being a senator versus a governor. He seems determined to keep his outsider cred in hopes of surviving the anti-incumbent wave building in Virginia. He casts his lot in with the angry voters. "I'm aggravated," he says. "I get frustrated by the slow pace of the Senate, as are most Virginians and most Americans. I like action. I like to see things get done." 

But, mostly, Allen and I talk about race. It's a subject that's much on his mind these days, as he tries to make amends for his old pro-Dixie stances. He's trying to get more money for historically black colleges. And he has spent the last few years in what might be called civil rights boot camp. In 2003, he traveled to Birmingham, Alabama, on a "civil rights pilgrimage." "I wish I had [gone] sooner," he says. "I was listening to the old civil rights movement, the strategies, the foundations, the tactics, and--in watching all of it, and in my point of view--I don't see how you can stand being knocked off a stool at a lunch counter and just take it. My reaction is, 'I don't see how you can take it.' And they say, 'You understand, it's all peaceful and nonviolent.' And I say, 'I just don't understand this.'" Allen bonded at the event with a former Black Panther who agreed with his take on nonviolence. "Of course, he played linebacker, I find out, and we became wonderful friends for the rest of the pilgrimage." Allen says that, in a few days, he will travel to Farmville, Virginia, for another reconciliation pilgrimage--this one with Representative John Lewis, the heroic civil rights activist. 

Allen also tells me about the anti-lynching resolution he sponsored and helped pass in 2005, launching into a soliloquy about what he's learned in recent years about genocide. Back when he was governor, a series of black churches in Virginia were burned down, and Allen attended a meeting with President Clinton and Vice President Gore on the matter. "I went to the Holocaust Museum, which is the best museum in this country," he says. "And you recognize that people knew what was going on." He thought about that experience when he decided to champion the anti-lynching apology. 

Allen knows the trouble spots in his record and has ready answers. We talk about his sister's book ("It's the perspective of the youngest child, who is a girl"), about the noose ("It had nothing to do with anything other than the Western motif in my office"), and about the Confederate flag once hanging in his living room ("I have a flag collection"). As for his mischievous attempt to scare his classmates into believing that his school was going to be burned to the ground, Allen, who, as a member of the Virginia House of Delegates, co-sponsored a resolution calling for a crackdown on school vandalism, denies the incident had anything to do with race. "It was something like eat crap or something like that," says Allen, who was suspended for the incident. "Your school sucks, and so forth. It wasn't racial. Bad enough what I did--didn't have that to it. The purpose was to get your team riled up against a rival." 

We move away from race and onto energy independence. But there was one nagging question that, even as I sat there listening to Allen go on about soy diesel fuel and lithium ion batteries, I still wasn't sure I would ask. Two days earlier, while preparing for this interview, I had Allen's high school yearbook open in front of me. I kept thinking about the creepy game day prank and the classmates who described the rebel flag on the car and the e-mail from Patrick Campbell: "Some of my classmates and I became rather disturbed a few years ago when we learned that George was rising in the political scene," he had written me. "Mr. Allen is known as a racist in our Southern California society which is why we feel he relocated to an environment which was more supportive of his view points." Maybe I had just stepped into the middle of a revenge-of-the-nerds type spat; Allen was, after all, the quarterback of the football team, and Campbell was a biology lab assistant. And did anything that happened in high school really matter today? 

I stared closely at Allen's smirk in his photo, weighing whether his old classmates were just out to destroy him. And then I noticed something on his collar. It's hard to make out, but then it becomes obvious. Seventeen-year-old George Allen is wearing a Confederate flag pin. 

Still, I wasn't sure I'd ask him about it. And then he says something that changes my mind. As a child, Allen tells me, before he even moved to California, he learned about the painful history of the South when his dad would take the kids on long drives from Chicago to New Orleans and other Southern cities for football bowl games. There was one searing memory from those trips he shares with me. "I remember," Allen says, "driving through--somehow, my father was on some back road in Mississippi one time--and we had Illinois license plates. And it was a time when some of the freedom riders had been killed, and somehow we're on this road. And you see a cross burning way off in the fields. I was young at the time. I just remember the sense of urgency as we were driving through the night, a carload of people with Illinois license plates--that this is not necessarily a safe place to be." 

Now the pin seemed even worse. Why would a young man with such a sensitive understanding of Southern racial conflict and no Southern heritage wear a Confederate flag in his formal yearbook photo? 

I finally ask him if he remembers the pin, explaining that another of his classmates had the same one in his photo, a guy named Deke. "No," Allen says with a laugh. "Where is this picture?" He leans forward over his desk and tightens his lip around the plug of Copenhagen in his mouth. "Hmmm." He pauses. He speaks slowly, apparently searching his memory. "Well, it's no doubt I was rebellious," he says, "a rebellious kid. I don't know. Unless we were doing something for the fun of it. Deke was from Texas. He was a good friend. Let me think." He stretches back in the chair, his boots sticking out from underneath his desk. "Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I'll have to find it myself." Another pause. "I don't know. We would probably do things to upset people from time to time." 

He stammers some more, says he saw Deke in an airport recently. "I don't know, I don't know," he continues. "It could be some sort of prank, or one of our rebellious--we would do different things. But I remember we liked Texas." 

The next day, at Allen's request, I send him a copy of the yearbook photo. A few hours later, his office confirms that the pin was indeed a Confederate flag. In an e-mail sent through an aide, Allen says, "When I was in high school in California, I generally bucked authority and the rebel flag was just a way to express that attitude." And then he's off. He explains that he "grew up in a football family where life was integrated sooner than most of the rest of the country." He reminds me of his parole, education, and economic achievements as governor. He also tells me about the money he's trying to secure for minority institutions and an upcoming speaking gig at St. Paul's College, a historically black school in Virginia. "Life is a learning experience," he muses. In fact, he says, he's continuing his education this very weekend at the civil rights pilgrimage. But, in the Allen versus Allen primary, every time the new Allen has the upper hand, the old Allen comes punching back. After Allen's stirring statement, an aide adds a coda to the e-mail: The senator doesn't remember the Confederate flag on his Mustang, "but it is possible."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 109th; allen2006; confederateflag; dixie; georgeallen; virginia
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Interesting story on George Allen.
1 posted on 04/28/2006 5:58:19 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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Actually I don't think Allen has a racist past I just think he wanted to be Redneck Southerner and he created a whole persona around it. I think the only thing that should be looked at about Allen is his record in the Senate and as Governor.


2 posted on 04/28/2006 6:00:23 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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From his back pocket, he removes a tin of Copenhagen--"the brand of choice for adult consumers who identify with its rugged, individual and uncompromising image," according to the company--and taps a fat wad of the tobacco between his lip and gum using an impressive one-handed maneuver.

He CHEWS?? :-D OH MY GAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWD! The LameStream Press will have a fit over that fact!! LOL!!!

I'm likin' George Allen more already. :)

3 posted on 04/28/2006 6:08:43 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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As the GOP has grown increasingly adept at turning elections into contests about style and character rather than issues and ideas...

LOL. A typical liberal worldview...that is why they'll keep losing big elections. I love seeing them delude themselves.

4 posted on 04/28/2006 6:11:59 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: areafiftyone

Senator Allen is no phoney, he is a real person. Authentic. Which is more than can be said for the author of this hit piece.


5 posted on 04/28/2006 6:21:46 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: areafiftyone

We're suppose to forgive and forget yesterdays transgressions comitted by adult Democrats and yet hold grudges against the youthful indiscretions of Republicans committed 25 years ago.


6 posted on 04/28/2006 6:25:46 AM PDT by BufordP ("I am stuck on Al Franken 'cause Al Franken's stuck on me!" -- Stupid)
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Allen will be the nominee. I think Romney is more qualified but it will be impossible for a ormon to get elected. Maybe the VP sot although I think Allen Rice oar Allen Pawlenty would be a better ticket.


7 posted on 04/28/2006 6:26:34 AM PDT by MattinNJ (Allen/Pawlenty in 08-play the map.)
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To: Corin Stormhands; TheLion; Howlin; areafiftyone

GEORGE ALLEN ping


8 posted on 04/28/2006 6:29:17 AM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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I think Romney is more qualified but it will be impossible for a ormon to get elected

its not the fact that he's a mormon that'll stop him, its the pro-abortion, pro-universal health care issues that'll sink him.
9 posted on 04/28/2006 6:33:44 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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Getting a Mormon in the WH would be tough but not impossible. Getting a liberal Republican Mormon from Massachusetts into the WH is impossible. You're right, though, I don't see how he can't be the nominee.


10 posted on 04/28/2006 6:33:49 AM PDT by AmishDude (AmishDude, servant of the dark lord Xenu.)
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I think the problem with Allen is that he created his whole persona it's not genuine. I think the problem is that the Republican party also helped in making him that way too. BUT that being sai, If this is all they can find on Allen - it will blow over. But he should chill out with the redneck stuff - its a turn off to alot of folks and only creates controversy when there is none.


11 posted on 04/28/2006 6:34:46 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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A hit piece on Allen. He will be in a relatively tough race against Jim Webb. The New Republic and the Dems would like to see Allen defeated in 2006, or at the very least, be in a close race in order to derail his 2008 Presidential plans. This is the opening salvo of the 2006 campaign meant to paint Allen as a racist, pseudo-Southerner. Look for the picture of him wearing a Confederate flag pin in his high school yearbook to be widely distributed in the urban areas of Virginia.


12 posted on 04/28/2006 6:36:22 AM PDT by kabar
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The Dems are fighting dirty this time around so be prepared.


13 posted on 04/28/2006 6:37:45 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: areafiftyone
I think the problem with Allen is that he created his whole persona it's not genuine.

What do you base that assertion on?

14 posted on 04/28/2006 6:37:48 AM PDT by kabar
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To: areafiftyone

...this time around? The Dems always fight dirty. They invented large scale voter fraud.


15 posted on 04/28/2006 6:39:07 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

The leftists are doing the same thing to Rudy too. You notice the only one they don't touch is McCain? How is Allen doing in the Virginia senate race by the way?


16 posted on 04/28/2006 6:39:16 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: areafiftyone

Shad Planking?

Isnt that what Rosie O'Donut and Ellen DiGenerate do?


17 posted on 04/28/2006 6:41:53 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: kabar

Did you read the article about his childhood? That is where I based it on.


18 posted on 04/28/2006 6:43:10 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: areafiftyone
Senator George Allen is the only person in Virginia who wears cowboy boots.

Oh, horse...poopie...thousands of Virginians wear cowboy boots.

Thanks for posting this. I wasn't about to register with them online to post it. I think we'll see a lot of this kind of hit piece.

19 posted on 04/28/2006 6:45:22 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; jla; Flora McDonald; GeorgeW23225; ...

George Allen ping.


20 posted on 04/28/2006 6:45:51 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Everyone will get a hit piece (although I'm tapping my foot still waiting for one on McCain) - this is pretty minor though - if this is all the MSM has on Allen - he will breeze right thru this. This is nothing!


21 posted on 04/28/2006 6:46:50 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: areafiftyone
...that he created his whole persona it's not genuine...

Says who? Ryan Lizza? Do not take so much stock in the opinion of this writer.

This article is a clear example to me that they see George Allen as the man to beat. Time to begin the ever so subtle lying smear campaign and try to convince the public that whatever good impressions they may have about Allen, he isn't genuine.

After all, they'll have to go back to his high school days to do it.

22 posted on 04/28/2006 6:46:50 AM PDT by BufordP ("I am stuck on Al Franken 'cause Al Franken's stuck on me!" -- Stupid)
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To: areafiftyone
I think the problem with Allen is that he created his whole persona it's not genuine.

Nope, it's completely genuine. I've known him for over 20 years.

What you see is exactly what you get. It's no act. Take that to the bank.

23 posted on 04/28/2006 6:47:01 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: areafiftyone
As I indicated, Allen will be in for a fairly tough race against Jim Webb, a legitimate Vietnam war hero (unlike Kerry) and former Secretary of the Navy under Reagan. Webb is a Naval Academy graduate and relatively conservative compared to most Democrats. He favors disengagement from Iraq.

Allen, as the incumbent and former governor, has the edge, but it won't be a walk in the park. He could be bloodied even if he wins. A lot will depend on turnout. Allen is raising lots of money, including some contributions from me.

Jim Webb: Born Fighting

24 posted on 04/28/2006 6:47:16 AM PDT by kabar
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To: areafiftyone
Allen's problem is his style. He's FM easy-listening compared to Rudy's loud hard-rock and McCain's serious NPR. Allen is so mellow he's almost boring.

Can he fire up the conservative base? That remains to be seen.

25 posted on 04/28/2006 6:47:50 AM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: areafiftyone
But he should chill out with the redneck stuff - its a turn off to alot of folks and only creates controversy when there is none.

Perhaps in New York. But here in Virginia, it seems to be working just fine for him.

26 posted on 04/28/2006 6:47:53 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: areafiftyone

Did you read the article about his childhood? That is where I based it on.

What article? You mean the one you just posted? I don't believe everything I read. Sometimes, the author has an agenda. Make that most of the time.

27 posted on 04/28/2006 6:50:50 AM PDT by kabar
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To: areafiftyone

"But he should chill out with the Redneck stuff" . . .

Excuse me, I'm a proud redneck myself, and I grew up in CA, moved to VA. There was a lot of redneck persona in CA in the '60's.

The point is, it's not fair to judge people's past attitudes by today's standards. Since the Civil Rights movement most of the country has done a 180 on racial attitudes, including George Allen.

And I'm the only girl in a family with four boys. They could be mean, but let anybody else threaten me and they were on 'em like a chicken on a bug. ;)


28 posted on 04/28/2006 6:51:29 AM PDT by rightazrain (Link me to some proof so I can put my rumor to rest.)
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To: kabar
A lot will depend on turnout.

Check out the "Gone Shadding with George Allen" thread in the GOP forum. The contrast that reception with the fact that Jim Webb had about 50 supporters at his announcment in Richmond.

You're right, it'll be a race. But Allen will prevail.

29 posted on 04/28/2006 6:54:25 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: sinkspur
Allen is so mellow he's almost boring.

Trust me, there's no better campaigner than George Allen. I have seen him electrify an audience.

30 posted on 04/28/2006 6:55:22 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

31 posted on 04/28/2006 6:55:53 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: kabar
Look for the picture of him wearing a Confederate flag pin in his high school yearbook to be widely distributed in the urban areas of Virginia.

I found this whole article to be rather silly. If the Democrats really want to tar-and-feather Allen as a Confederate sympathizer, and make that into a campaign issue, they don't need to go digging through school yearbooks. They could just reference the Confederate Heritage Month he enacted while Governor. It's not like it's a secret or some grand revelation or something.

32 posted on 04/28/2006 6:56:18 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Helps make up for his FRENCH mother? :) I think a lot of this is typical New Republic "reporting", but really, the tobacco chewin' and a-spittin' is disgusting.


33 posted on 04/28/2006 6:56:55 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: kabar

If they are hitting Allen already, it just proves that theyre skeered


34 posted on 04/28/2006 6:57:19 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Trust me, there's no better campaigner than George Allen

I do not find him boring. Far from it.

35 posted on 04/28/2006 6:57:28 AM PDT by Bahbah (God bless Tony Snow)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Thanks. I will check out the link. I think Allen will prevail as well but I want him to win big so he is in good shape for 2008. A narrow victory in Virginia, a state that has gone Rep in every Presidential election since 1952 except for 1964, would not be helpful. The Dems will be pumping lots of money in here to defeat Allen.


36 posted on 04/28/2006 6:58:08 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Vaquero

You haven't heard of fish cooked on a plank, so you make a silly joke about it? It's a very good outdoor cooking method, done with salmon, as well. Maybe you haven't even heard of shad!


37 posted on 04/28/2006 6:59:14 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: BlackRazor
I found this whole article to be rather silly. If the Democrats really want to tar-and-feather Allen as a Confederate sympathizer, and make that into a campaign issue, they don't need to go digging through school yearbooks. They could just reference the Confederate Heritage Month he enacted while Governor. It's not like it's a secret or some grand revelation or something.

Agree, but this election is not just about Virginia in 2006, but also, about 2008 nationally. The demographics of Virginia are also changing with the very liberal and growing Northern Virginia region pitted against the rest of the mostly rural and more conservative part of the state. Fairfax County went for Kerry in 2004 and the election of Kaine was primarily due to the vote in Northern Virginia. It didn't help that the GOP selected a lousy candidate.

38 posted on 04/28/2006 7:03:55 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Coop

True I'm sure he's fine in Virginia and I am positive he will win his Senate Seat. But we are talking about 2008 and Virginia is not the only state that Allen has to impress.


39 posted on 04/28/2006 7:06:07 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: kabar
The Dems will be pumping lots of money in here to defeat Allen.

Only if they really believe he's vulnerable. Right now they still have to make it through a primary fight.

40 posted on 04/28/2006 7:08:31 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: areafiftyone

Unfortunately the story is far too long and almost unreadable.


41 posted on 04/28/2006 7:10:49 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: areafiftyone
True I'm sure he's fine in Virginia and I am positive he will win his Senate Seat. But we are talking about 2008 and Virginia is not the only state that Allen has to impress.

A lot of people have been talking about 2008 since Nov 2004. I'm much more concerned that Allen and other conservatives win this November.

But I will say that if what Allen is doing is not playing particularly well in New York, then I'd say he's in a strong position to win an electoral college majority.

42 posted on 04/28/2006 7:11:27 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

It is a long post. It is 3 pages on the New Republic website. I may have screwed up on a couple of paragraphs too.


43 posted on 04/28/2006 7:12:20 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: Coop

Allen is not doing particularly well across the U.S in every poll as a potential presidential candidate. He's poling in the single digits. I'm not talking about New York at all. I don't expect any Republican to win in New York - I've totally given up on my state and I agree with you totally about New York.


44 posted on 04/28/2006 7:13:39 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: linda_22003

I have caught and eaten many species or fresh and salt water fish here on the east coast. I have never planked fish..but I figger it must be tasty or why else would one do it.

Although never having eaten Shad or catching them for that matter, on a couple of Boy Scout canoe expeditions with my 3 sons, on the Delaware river, on the NY/PA border, I watched as anglers reeled in countless numbers of them.

My task was not to denegrate the planking of fish....it was in fact meant to denegrate the 2 people I mentioned and their lifestyle. the fish cooking method had, to my demented mind a humorous ring to it...so I co-opted it for denegration purposes.

No fish or lesbians were harmed in the making of this post.


45 posted on 04/28/2006 7:14:52 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero
No fish or lesbians were harmed in the making of this post.

ROFLMAO!!

46 posted on 04/28/2006 7:15:45 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: areafiftyone; Corin Stormhands

>None of this means Allen is a racist, of course. He is certainly not the same guy today that he was in the '80s. But his interest in Southern heritage and his fetish for country culture goes back even further. And what's truly improbable is how someone with his upbringing ever acquired such backwoods tastes.<

Good grief. No, Mr/Mz New Republic writer, of course you aren't implying Allen is a racist. Why, of course you've done no such thing.

At least Allen is genuine in his penchant for things Southern (go ahead, New Yawkahs, gasp away). He didn't have to hire a "redneck tutor" like Mark (Mr Ed) Warner did to get elected in our Commonwealth


47 posted on 04/28/2006 7:16:30 AM PDT by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: areafiftyone

It seems like all the potential Republican candidate have some achilles' heel.

I hate to say it, but I'm not sure we have anyone who looks as formidable on paper as Evan Bayh does for the Democrats.


48 posted on 04/28/2006 7:18:13 AM PDT by Altair333
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To: Darnright
(go ahead, New Yawkahs, gasp away).

you talkin ta me? (Robert DeNiro voice)

49 posted on 04/28/2006 7:19:51 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: Altair333
It seems like all the potential Republican candidate have some achilles' heel.

And Democrats. Like I said - if this is ALL they have on Allen - he will breeze right thru this!

50 posted on 04/28/2006 7:21:42 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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