Posted on 04/28/2006 5:58:15 AM PDT by areafiftyone
Empty words.
His conservatism is phony.
No matter how many western shirts he owns.
It's not an act.
So, the rumors ARE true. He IS a log cabin Republican...
Maybe you should give the Allen camp "the chutzpah award" trying to make him into Abe Lincoln.
'Log cabins'. Sheesh.
How many millions did this humble abode cost, I wonder?
‘Log Cabin Republicans’ Show Strength in Northern Virginia GOP
Northern Virginia Sun Weekly, June 29, 2000
By Adam Fike, Staff Writer
Last week, the Log Cabin Republican Club of Northern Virginia held a private meeting with Virginia Senate candidate George Allen. The next day, 75 people showed up for a meeting with U.S. Sen. John Warner.
In April, the local organization sent delegates to a Texas meeting with Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush. Only three years old, the local group is emerging as the commonwealth’s leading organization of gay and lesbian Republicans. A third of the organization’s 40 members live in Arlington, where they’ve found a comfortable spot to influence politics. "One thing we always say is, look at what we’ve been able to do in Arlington," spokesman Jeff Miller said. "Our reception in Arlington has been great; that’s not the case in the rest of the country," said Miller, an Arlington resident. The group held Mike Lane’s first big fundraiser when he ran for the County Board in 1998.
"Since then they’ve continued to do exceptionally well," said Lane, who now is head of the Arlington Republican Committee. Instead of becoming a special interest group focused on debating their own issues, the organization maintains an influential footing by keeping the priority of supporting their party at the forefront, Lane said. "They know the way the inside game of politics is played," he said. This includes the basic "grunt work" of forming phone banks, literature drops and raising funds, he said.
http://www.sodomylaws.org/usa/virginia/vanews51.htm
If Sen. Allen is nominated, and he manages to win the enduring affection of conservatives, he'll win the election.
His abortion position, up until 'viability', makes him functionally pro-abortion.
He will never 'win the enduring affection' of conservatives with that stance, and with 'virtual' (imaginary) fences and amnesty for illegals.
If he's the nominee, God forbid, the Republican coalition WILL fracture.
Football analogies, spiced with inferences that we should 'be on his team', go sour with me in about two minutes.
After hearing him speak at CPAC this year, I was horrified that this guy could be the nominee.
He sure ain't no 'Great Communicator'.
More like Bob Dole II, IMO.
I like Allen. I sure hope he stops making apologies for his Confederate Flag. I've got one, too.
Our country is made up of 50 states. They are not all alike and that is good. Some people who are not from the south, particularly Virginia, show no respect and no understanding for southern traditions and heritage.
That's their loss. The South is a great place to live. To this day, there is a world of difference crossing the Mason-Dixon into Maryland.
I just groaned when I realized they were going to give Dole the nomination. It was over right then and there. I didn't get to hear Allen at CPAC, so you have the advantage. I am at this time just watching and listening and I will keep you reaction in mind.
T-rorms. Have to shut down.
I'll be back to slay you when the weather permits.
Dear EternalVigilance,
"His abortion position, up until 'viability', makes him functionally pro-abortion."
Actually, his position is that he accepts abortion up until, I think central nervous or brain function, which is much earlier than viability, actually toward the end of the first trimester.
Thus, I don't think that he's "functionally pro-abortion" right now. I've talked to a lot of pro-lifers, and most seem to agree that a presidential nominee who agrees that Roe must go, all things be equal, is acceptable, even if not perfectly pro-life.
Sen. Allen has indicated that he believes abortion laws should be more restrictive than they are at this time, but more importantly, that states should have the ability to determine their own laws on abortion. This is in direct contradiction to the central holding of Roe and Doe.
Since the primary current legal obstacle to protecting unborn children is Roe and its machinery of murder, any presidential candidate who will appoint Supreme Court Justices who understand that Roe is bad constitutional law, and must go, is at least an acceptable presidential candidate.
Thus, Sen. Allen, for now, is a pro-life ally, if not a real pro-lifer himself.
Ironically, once Roe is overturned, folks like Sen. Allen will become adversaries to life.
But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
I would vote for Sen. Allen in 2008 for President of the United States.
sitetest
T-STORMS!
Dear cowtowney,
"To this day, there is a world of difference crossing the Mason-Dixon into Maryland."
The Mason-Dixon line separates Maryland from Pennsylvania. Maryland is south of the Mason-Dixon Line.
sitetest
Stay safe.
But I doubt you'll slay me! :-)
The Republican National Coalition for Life says that 'the views George Allen expresses can only be described as pro-choice, not pro-life'.
It would also appear that he supports abortions up until VIABILITY!
George Allen on the Life Issues – U.S. Senator George Allen is the former Governor of Virginia. In that capacity, on March 22, 1997, he signed a parental notice bill before 1,500 supporters in a ceremony replete with families carrying “Thank you Governor Allen” signs. Since that time, Allen has given every indication that he is another politician who claims to be “pro-life” while endorsing measures to restrict or regulate the practice of abortion, but not make it illegal.
In 2000, Senator Allen responded to a Project Vote Smart questionnaire, saying abortions should be illegal when the fetus is viable, with or without life support. In other words, he supported abortion until viability, when 98% of the abortions are performed. He said abortions should be legal when pregnancy resulted from rape or incest, when the life of the woman is endangered, and he added that abortion should be legal for gross fetal abnormality. Of course, he supported the usual restrictions such as a partial-birth abortion ban, waiting periods, and opposed public funding of abortions. But the views he expressed can only be described as pro-choice, not pro-life.
On May 22, 2005, George Allen appeared with George Stephanopoulos on Sunday Morning Talk, and he was asked whether he supported Bush’s restriction on embryonic stem cell research, or if he favored the legislation that would expand the number of embryos to be used for experimentation. His response was, “I’m probably in between the both of them.” Later in the interview, Allen said, “I do not want to be creating embryos simply for harvesting, nor do I want to allow cloning.” Stephanopoulos replied, “But if they were left over from fertility treatments, it’s OK to do the research on them.” Allen responded, “Yes.”
Contact: Colleen Parro – Fax: 972/387-3830 – E-Mail: rnclife@swbell.net
Please visit our website at: http://www.rnclife.org.
2008 Looms Ahead – Will Pro-Life Conservatives Have a Horse in the Race?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611126/posts
To reiterate: According to this article, the abortions George Allen supports include 98% of those that are being committed now!
Even if that were true, which the Republican National Coalition for Life information debunks, such a stance in itself completely undercuts the pro-life cause, and in fact supports my contention that he is 'functionally pro-abortion'.
You have to completely walk away from hard science about when human life begins...when the unique DNA of the individual human being comes into existence...to have a position anything like the phony so-called 'pro-life' position of George Allen.
Don't be taken in by the hype and the deception about the Senator.
I'd just soon the traditions and heritage of the South not contain the Confederacy. There's a lot of great things about the South, but the futile rebellion of the slaveowners club is not one of them. Everything that is good about the South is despite the Confederacy not because of it as some seem to believe.
Dear EternalVigilance,
I've read quotes from Sen. Allen that indicates he thinks the law should permit abortion up until brain function.
Which I think is a crock of you-know-what.
You know that I'm pretty much a pro-life extremist. You can't whack innocent human beings. No matter what stage of life they're in, whether we're talking about an 8-month old "fetus" or an 8-minute old "product of conception." People are people, and you can't whack the innocent ones directly, on purpose. Period.
And the law should ultimately reflect that.
However, we're still a little way off from protecting every unborn child in law. In fact, we're still a way off from protecting ANY unborn child in law. Even though the seven black-robed demons from Hell tried to pretend that Roe/Doe permitted substantial curtailment of abortion in the second and third trimesters, the fact is that the United States suffers under a regime of de facto abortion on demand, as a result of the death machinery of Roe.
Roe must go.
Until the Supreme Court eviscerates Roe, we will be unable to legislate legal protection for any unborn children at all.
Any presidential nominee who promises to appoint Supreme Court Justices who will understand that Roe sucks, and must go, is worthy of at least some consideration. Even if that nominee, if given the chance, would write relatively liberal abortion laws himself.
Once Roe goes (please, God, soon), then someone like Sen. Allen becomes our adversary. Getting rid of Roe is just the beginning of the battle. However, in the present political climate, it's a necessary step. So, I accept current alliances of convenience that actually move us toward overturning Roe, understanding that those who are now my friends may well be my adversaries, later.
I'd love a much more pro-life nominee, EternalVigilance, but I don't see any realistic prospects on the horizon for such an individual in 2008. Sen. Allen is way better than Mr. Giuliani or Mr. Romney, and perhaps even a little better than Sen. McCain (who seems to be perhaps mentally ill).
sitetest
Go stink up another thread.
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