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Schoomaker calls retired generals' comments 'inappropriate'
Stars and Stripes ^ | Thursday, April 27, 2006 | Lisa Burgess

Posted on 04/29/2006 12:35:18 PM PDT by No Longer Free State

ARLINGTON, Va. — Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Schoomaker on Wednesday criticized retired generals who have come out against Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other defense leaders, calling their comments “unfortunate” and “inappropriate.”

“I was retired, and you didn’t see me doing it,” Schoomaker told reporters during a Washington press breakfast. “If I thought what these officers were saying was true, I would not be here.”

Schoomaker suggested that if the generals were so unhappy with their civilian masters, they should have left their jobs in protest.

“I think we have a responsibility, while we’re in uniform, if we can’t put up with what’s going on, to pick up our saddle up and move on,” Schoomaker said.

Such criticism could break the trust between military officers and their civilian counterparts in the future.

“I think we’ve got to be very careful here,” Schoomaker said. “We do not want civil authority to distrust people who are giving them advice.”

Schoomaker is the latest senior officer to weigh in on the unusually public debate among current and former military officials over Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the Bush administration’s handling of the war in Iraq.

In the past month, eight retired generals — including recently retired commanders with experience in Iraq — have called for Rumsfeld’s resignation, saying that he has mishandled the war on terror and lost the confidence of the military.

Many of the retired generals have made a point of noting Rumsfeld’s allegedly abrasive management style. But any officer who has made war his chosen profession, Schoomaker said, should be more than able to handle aggressive bosses.

“I’ve been in the Army 37 years, and I have worked for some tough people,” Schoomaker said. “We’re soldiers. We’re warriors. I’ve never been intimidated in my life, by anybody.”

Schoomaker said that he “offers a lot of military advice, and I have never not been heard.”

He noted, however, “that I can’t say I’ve always been agreed with.”

But no military professional should fool himself into thinking that “offering advice” and “having it taken all the time” are one and the same thing, Schoomaker said.

As top military leaders, “We are responsible to provide independent advice” to civilian leaders, who in turn have the Constitutional authority to make strategic decisions, he said.

“That doesn’t mean they agree with our advice all the time.”

And if a military officer’s advice is not taken, Schoomaker said, “You can’t run around here with your nerves on your sleeve, [protesting] every time someone does something you don’t agree with.”

Military professionals who respect the chain of command must learn when the time has come to accept that, having had their say, they must step back and allow higher-ups to make the final call, he said.

Instead, “I think you end up at a point [saying to yourself] look, is it legal, is it moral, is it ethical, can I live with the consequences?” Schoomaker said.

“If you can’t, you’ve got a responsibility to do something about it, and do it while you’re in the position,” Schoomaker said.

“But if you’ve gone through all of that, and lived with it, I’m not quite sure what we’re doing here cleansing our consciences afterwards,” Schoomaker said.

“I think it’s inappropriate.”


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Very interesting comments from an active duty general who was retired for a few years before coming back to be the Chief of Staff of the Army and work under Rummy's reign at the Pentagon.
1 posted on 04/29/2006 12:35:20 PM PDT by No Longer Free State
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To: Former Military Chick; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Ping


2 posted on 04/29/2006 12:36:54 PM PDT by No Longer Free State (No event has just one cause, no person has just one motive, no action has just the intended effect)
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To: No Longer Free State
I retired from December 1st, 1999 with over thirty years of active duty. I refused a retirement ceremony despite the best efforts of my CO and friend.

One of the things given to you at your retirement ceremony is a certificate of appreciation signed by the President (probably by a machine). I could not accept such a certificate with Clinton's name on it.

The CO offered to not present the certificate at the ceremony (it wasn't presented at all...I refused it). I still had to decline. If the certificate had not been presented a lot of people would have noticed and what kind of example does that set for the folks.

So, I had no choice but to decline a ceremony.

3 posted on 04/29/2006 12:40:24 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: No Longer Free State

The Defense Department waves away the protesting generals as just a handful out of more than 8,000 now serving or retired. That seems to me too dismissive. These generals are no doubt correct in asserting that they have spoken to and speak on behalf of some retired and, even more important, some active-duty members of the military.

But that makes the generals' revolt all the more egregious. The civilian leadership of the Pentagon is decided on Election Day, not by the secret whispering of generals.

We've always had discontented officers in every war and in every period of our history. But they rarely coalesce into factions. That happens in places such as Hussein's Iraq, Pinochet's Chile or your run-of-the-mill banana republic. And when it does, outsiders (including the United States) do their best to exploit it, seeking out the dissident factions to either stage a coup or force the government to change policy.

That kind of dissident party within the military is alien to America. Some other retired generals have found it necessary to rise to the defense of the administration. Will the rest of the generals, retired or serving, now have to declare which camp they belong to?

It is precisely this kind of division that our tradition of military deference to democratically elected civilian superiors was meant to prevent.

Today it suits the antiwar left to applaud the rupture of that tradition. But it is a disturbing and very dangerous precedent that even the left will one day regret.

...Charles Krauthammer


4 posted on 04/29/2006 12:40:45 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: No Longer Free State
Bump!


5 posted on 04/29/2006 12:42:06 PM PDT by W04Man (Bush2004 Grassroots Campaign We Did It! NOW.... PLEASE STAY THE COURSE!)
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To: CWOJackson

Everyone is saying that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s days are numbered, thanks in part to increasing calls by some former generals for Rumsfeld’s resignation.

But Rumsfeld was hired by George W. Bush to do precisely what he has done to the consternation of the generals who are now coming out to complain about him.

When President Bush brought Rumsfeld back to the Pentagon, the president told him to shake up the Pentagon, to transform it from the Cold War structure and culture that it was stuck in to a new force with strategies that could respond to the post-Cold War world.

Months before Sept. 11, as Rumsfeld began the transformation of the Pentagon, he ran into contumacious obstructionism from the army and its then-Chief of Staff Gen. Eric Shinseki. Shinseki dug his heels in and refused to change much of anything about the Army.

Shinseki went as far as to go behind Rumsfeld’s back to the Senate where his political mentor (and long-time family friend, Sen. Dan Inouye of Hawaii) and others backed his play.

But for the political cover Sen. Inouye gave Shinseki, he might have been fired then and there. Civilian control of the military means people such as Shinseki cannot be allowed to play the back-channel political games he played again and again.

Shinseki balked at striking at the Taliban. For the record, our forces slashed into the Taliban around Oct. 5, 2001, less than a month after Sept 11. But — aside from Rangers and Army Special Forces — the Army stayed home.

Shinseki wanted at least six months to assemble and move an enormous Soviet-like force into Afghanistan and the president wasn’t having any of it. This is why Shinseki retired in 2003 with a festering grudge against Rumsfeld.

And then Rumsfeld did the unthinkable. Instead of replacing Shinseki with one of his like-minded underlings, Rumsfeld looked for someone who would fight.

Gen. Peter Schoomaker, a Special Forces vet, was brought out of retirement to transform the Army in the middle of a war. And he did it. But in the process Rumsfeld, Schoomaker and his team shook up a lot of people.

http://www.examiner.com/a-88357~Jed_Babbin__Keep_the_Big_Dog_running.html


6 posted on 04/29/2006 12:46:29 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

"protesting generals as just a handful out of more than 8,000 now serving or retired."
In a sizable military, how many generals [and admirals] ought there to be? 1 per 2000 service members? 1 per 5000?


7 posted on 04/29/2006 12:51:02 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: CWOJackson

I went to a retirement ceremony of a good friend of mine, a Navy Commander. When it came time to read the certificate, the CAPT looked at her, and she said "no thanks". Everyone got a good laugh. The military loathed Clinton. Recall also, there were several generals who retired en-mass under Clinton and none of them spoke out, they just left the service. Some could have stayed, but they were principled individuals, and left and remained silent (at least publically).


8 posted on 04/29/2006 12:52:13 PM PDT by Laverne
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To: Lil'freeper

Ping


9 posted on 04/29/2006 12:56:21 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper (..it takes some pretty serious yodeling to..filibuster from a five star ski resort in the Swiss Alps)
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To: CWOJackson

Good for you. I am sorry you had to face that choice. It's a disgrace that you had to.


10 posted on 04/29/2006 12:57:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The United 'Door Mats' of America! Go ahead, scrape your feet on it. Everyone else is.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I eventually received my certificate.

I wrote the White House in 2001 and explained my situation. I now have a certificate actually signed by the (current) President.

11 posted on 04/29/2006 1:00:06 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: george76

You are correct and that is why President Bush finally came out the other day and responded to a media question that Secretary Rumsfeld is doing a good job and he is staying.

I'm gald to see General Schoomaker join Generals Franks, Myers and Pace in showing real integrity in support of the SecDef.


12 posted on 04/29/2006 1:01:29 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: CWOJackson

And considering his relationship with the military, I think you should be proud to have it. That's a great ending to the story. I'm happy for you. You deserve it.


13 posted on 04/29/2006 1:03:11 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The United 'Door Mats' of America! Go ahead, scrape your feet on it. Everyone else is.)
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To: CWOJackson
I wrote the White House in 2001 and explained my situation. I now have a certificate actually signed by the (current) President.

Congratulations, glad to hear that and it is appropriate.
j

14 posted on 04/29/2006 1:04:38 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: GSlob

In the Department of Defense there are:

34 - four star generals/admirals

124 - three star generals/admirals

278 - two star generals/admirals

439 - one star generals/admirals

Throw in the U.S. Coast Guard and you have 900 generals and admirals on active duty today. This is roughly the same number of generals/admirals who were on active duty in WWII when our military was 12,000,000 strong.

Given that on any given year 15-20% of those generals/admirals will retire each year it doesn't take much figuring to realize that the number of generals calling for Secretary Rumsfeld to resign is laughable.


15 posted on 04/29/2006 1:04:48 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Laverne
....there were several generals who retired en-mass under Clinton and none of them spoke out, they just left the service.

Which makes me think that...

in the case of the 8 retired generals speaking out against Rumsfeld's & President Bush's policies...

...some how....some way...

....their pockets have been well-padded & their nest eggs multiplied by some underhanded people.

16 posted on 04/29/2006 1:06:34 PM PDT by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: ExcursionGuy84
their nest eggs multiplied by some underhanded people.

IMO, the trail probably ends at the DNC.
j

17 posted on 04/29/2006 1:10:17 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: No Longer Free State
This affair has moved from the ridiculous to the tedious.

My first observation: There is no "Revolt of the Generals". Such a "revolt" involves a large number of senior flag officers resigning en masse for the same reason.

My second observation: All "policy" comments by these dissatisfied retired flag officers are inappropriate and meaningless. Inappropriate because they should not be trading on their ranks while not serving officers. Meaningless because they did not have the integrity to resign their commissions when they were soooo concerned about their superior's leadership

My last observation: Flag officers have careers of unbroken success. When they finally come up against a career brick wall each flag officer's true inner strength is finally revealed. Most survive the inner ordeal. It seems we have identified, in their retirement, some who have been found lacking

Summation: These petulant crybabies disgust me. I am ashamed they ever wore the uniform. They should go home to mommy to cry. Otherwise, they need to do the honorable thing and just shut up!

18 posted on 04/29/2006 1:21:55 PM PDT by DakotaGator
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To: george76

Good article. Thanks for the updates.


19 posted on 04/29/2006 1:27:14 PM PDT by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
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To: george76

Roger you last....

The "retired Generals" calling for Rumsfeld's head, are literally no more than a pimple on the ass of our warrior clan..

Semper Fi


20 posted on 04/29/2006 1:32:37 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: george76

Way too many chiefs for the number of Indians available.


21 posted on 04/29/2006 1:33:06 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: CWOJackson

That's a shame, and you're a class act.


22 posted on 04/29/2006 1:35:23 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: CWOJackson

I'm so glad that (in a later post) you told us that you finally received an "appropriate" retirement certificate, signed by our current President. Congrats!

We started about the same time. President Nixon signed my commission. It's a badge of honor, and I fully understand why you wouldn't want a tainted retirement certificate with Slick Willie's signature on it. Best wishes for a great retirement.


23 posted on 04/29/2006 1:36:54 PM PDT by CDB (MSM = "controversy, crap and confusion" (based on a quote by Alan Simpson))
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To: jazusamo

Still, it is regretable that they are having to speak out.


24 posted on 04/29/2006 2:00:30 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: No Longer Free State
In the past month, eight retired generals — including recently retired commanders with experience in Iraq — have called for Rumsfeld’s resignation

How many of the 8 achieved flag rank under Bill the Schill Clintoon?

Does anybody here know?

The general said "inappropriate" and "unfortunate."Maybe a few pensions are about to be lost. Also sedition is a word that is not too strong to use.

These 8 gnerals are lining up to be Sec Def. etc. under an anticipated Billory Clintoon Presidency.....a disaster!

I do not believe that the generals' asking Rummy to resign has done much but unite the republican vote.

25 posted on 04/29/2006 2:04:32 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: CWOJackson

Hey, how you do that? I retired in 96, and would like an update.


26 posted on 04/29/2006 2:10:11 PM PDT by Bruce Kurtz
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To: No Longer Free State

"Many of the retired generals have made a point of noting Rumsfeld’s allegedly abrasive management style."

Hmmmm. Sounds like bruised egos floating around. So, grow up...


27 posted on 04/29/2006 2:29:08 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Candor7

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe Rummy asked THEM to retire....


28 posted on 04/29/2006 2:42:03 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: ExcursionGuy84
Gene LaRoque's CDI
29 posted on 04/29/2006 2:54:29 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group)
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To: CWOJackson

"I could not accept..a certificate with Clinton's name on it."

Outstanding, Chief, outstanding!

(from a fellow CWO) :^)


30 posted on 04/29/2006 2:56:20 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: RobbyS
"Still, it is regrettable that they are having to speak out."

They are paid POLITICAL HACKS!

ZINNI, RIGGS, CLARK....give me a break. They have no credibility in this matter!
31 posted on 04/29/2006 2:59:11 PM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: No Longer Free State

32 posted on 04/29/2006 3:08:32 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: No Longer Free State
My field commander friend and Operation Iraqi Freedom vet said that in the video conferences he sat in between generals and Rummy (pre-war, in Kuwait), the generals got most everything they asked for, and specifically told Rummy that they had everything they needed to win.
33 posted on 04/29/2006 4:23:23 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: No Longer Free State
Rummy couldn't shake up the Pentagon with the gens that were at the Pentagon. So Rummy pulled Shoomaker out of retirement ask him to be his Army Chief of Staff...and Shoomaker has done an excellent job. He's brought other Generals outside of DC to help him shake the place up. From what I've heard there's been a whole lot of shaking going on.

And those 8 generals don't like it one little bit. I think they all should be made active and stick them some place that's about as uncomtforable as it can be.

34 posted on 04/29/2006 4:55:51 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: No Longer Free State

Military officers have to end their career in order to comment on how civilians treat the military -that's a very high price.

Once they are retired they have the same God given right to criticize their government that the rest of us have.

I think these particular generals are not acting out of a desire to help the country but to settle grudges and for politics but they have the right as the rest of us to makes asses of themselves in public.


35 posted on 04/29/2006 5:16:15 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: No Longer Free State

I find it interesting that these generals have nothing to say about the Clinton administration but they're all kinds of upset about how the Bush admin is running things. If that's how they really feel about things, it's probably because they were able to take advantage of Clinton administration chaos and they're not happy that Bush and Rumsfeld made them straighten up and fly right.


36 posted on 04/29/2006 5:24:24 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I'd be interested in knowing how much their careers benefitted from Clinton's admin. I've seen it said that Weasely Clark was catapulted over quite a number of more senior (and better) Generals, though I certainly would not know.... if these are mainly 'political' Generals who preferred the Clinton era, that in itself says a great deal about "where they're coming from." I don't question their right to speak out as civilians, but they'd better not be coordinating with active duty officers, and no one should take what they say without many many grains of salt. Lots of people dislike change, and especially when the WOT makes it imperative that the Army be transformed even faster than expected. They may have some valid points but that does not mean, going forward, Rumsfeld is not one heck of a lot better than the alternatives.

Also, let us not forget, whatever someone may think of Rumsfeld, the real point of this onslaught (which I am sure is being coordinated by some Weasely Clark or DNC type, just look at how they all spoke out in close succession to keep the story alive) is to cripple to Bush administration as a whole leading into the 2006 elections. Just imagine the circus act that the charlatans of the DNC will give us in Congress if there had to be confirmation hearings for a new Secy. of Defense between now and November. It must not happen!! The Bush-haters would drag things out, hurting the nation and the WOT while they pretended that they had to 'investigate' everything under the sun. If you think 'Borking' was brought to a low art before, just wait to see what the Congresscritters and Senators would do to any new Bush nominee for Defense.


37 posted on 04/29/2006 6:23:32 PM PDT by Enchante (Mary McCarthy & Richard Clarke: Al Qaeda and Iraq helped to produce VX in Sudan!!!)
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To: No Longer Free State
Many of the retired generals have made a point of noting Rumsfeld’s allegedly abrasive management style. But any officer who has made war his chosen profession, Schoomaker said, should be more than able to handle aggressive bosses.

Exactly!!

38 posted on 04/29/2006 8:16:21 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: No Longer Free State

This is a report you will never, ever see in your local fishwrapper. Howsomeever, just for fun, I'll send it into my local fishwrapper. Fruitless, I know.


39 posted on 04/29/2006 8:16:36 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Enchante

I've always thought that Colin Powell is an example of one General who the Klintoons advanced way ahead of his capabilities and ahead of more capable Generals.


40 posted on 04/29/2006 8:47:41 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Enchante
Retired generals still have a decent amount of influence, many can and do get influential civilian jobs, and they're treated as dignitaries when they go on a military base.

With the way the retired generals are behaving these days, I'm all for revoking those privileges. Let them write letters-to-the-editor, work at the local grocery, and shop out on the town like the other retirees. Their responsibility to represent the military in a decent manner doesn't end on their retirement date. If this is how they're going to act, I don't want them representing the military.

41 posted on 04/29/2006 9:17:25 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: Rembrandt

You got that right. He got in good with the liberals during Gulf War I because of he was more worried about politics and his public image than being a good general. It's disgusting that the Klintons got to him and that Bush made the mistake of picking up where they left off.


42 posted on 04/29/2006 9:19:14 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: CWOJackson

A sincere thanks for your service, and your upstanding way of retiring with class. This country suffers from a lack of folks like you.


43 posted on 04/29/2006 9:28:11 PM PDT by RushCrush (My car runs on bald eagle heads.)
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To: Candor7

"How many of the 8 achieved flag rank under Bill the Schill Clintoon?"

Not sure about that, but the site below gives some excellent insights into five of the general.



"Retired Army Major General John Riggs has his own issues
with Rumsfeld. In 2004, Riggs was accused of contracting improprieties, and given 24 hours to retire from the Army."

http://formerspook.blogspot.com/2006/04/generals-revolt.html


44 posted on 04/29/2006 9:38:00 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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To: Laverne

I knew two retired officers, one a Lt General and one a bird Colonel. Both Clinton era officers, both liberal Dems. The Media and Education Establishment are not the only targets for Liberal infiltration.


45 posted on 04/29/2006 11:32:45 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (China & India: Doing jobs Americans don't want to do (manuf., engineering, accounting, etc))
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To: No Longer Free State

"As top military leaders, “We are responsible to provide independent advice” to civilian leaders, who in turn have the Constitutional authority to make strategic decisions, he said."

----well said. whether they take it or not. of those that have come out asking for rumsfeld's resignation, I wonder how many have talking head "military analyst" contracts. The problem with much of this whining is that I haven't heard one instance of a general/admiral saying "...one this specific occasion, I didn't want my airborne soldiers to attack such and such city, but rummy did it anyway." or "..three different times I told the SECDEF not to allow this to happen, but he chose otherwise, and the consequences are evident because of such and such."

We must remember that the military must evolve as emerging, new conflicts evolve. That is why manning on ships have been reduced, technology has increased, spec ops budgets have increased, and we continually will show a military presence in an area of vital national interest, rather than focusing on cold war organization, "old europe" and the broken former eastern bloc. My great concern is watching the spending on new military products that are really not needed. why buy a ferrari when a cadillac will do?


46 posted on 04/30/2006 2:15:31 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: CWOJackson
I wrote the White House in 2001 and explained my situation. I now have a certificate actually signed by the (current) President.

That is just too cool....congrats.

47 posted on 04/30/2006 6:45:46 AM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: No Longer Free State

Everyone has 20/20 hindsight. It is easy to second guess, when you're not the one making the decisions.


48 posted on 04/30/2006 7:35:58 AM PDT by Search4Truth (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: No Longer Free State

49 posted on 04/30/2006 8:51:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: jazusamo

Bank on it!


50 posted on 04/30/2006 10:23:03 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ((Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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