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White outfit, wrong occasion, Cherie (Cherie Blair didn't wear black to meet the Pope)
UK Telegraph ^ | 4/29/06 | Malcolm Moore and Jonathan Petre

Posted on 04/29/2006 7:27:04 PM PDT by wagglebee

Cherie Blair provoked surprise in the Vatican and the ire of a Roman Catholic MP yesterday by wearing all-white to meet the Pope, a privilege normally reserved for Catholic Queens.

The Vatican convention is that females meeting the Pontiff should wear black, preferably with a black veil, or mantilla.

 
Cherie Blair with Pope Benedict XVI
Cherie Blair with Pope Benedict

When the Queen met Pope John Paul II six years ago, she observed the code meticulously.

Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, wore black, but omitted the veil.

By contrast, Mrs Blair, a staunch Catholic, chose to exercise the "privilege du blanc", usually granted only to the wives of Catholic monarchs.

Her breach of the protocol was surprising, since she has kept closely to the Church's dress code in the past.

Mrs Blair may not have worn a hat to the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales but she mourned the passing of John Paul II in a mantilla.

Technically, only three women should wear white in the presence of the Pope.

They are Queen Sofia of Spain, Queen Paola of Belgium and Josephine Charlotte, the wife of Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg. Queen Sofia exercised her privilege in a meeting with the previous Pope in 2003.

Ann Widdecombe, the former Tory minister and a convert to Catholicism, was scathing about Mrs Blair.

"Even the Queen wore black to meet the Pope," she said. "This shows that she has a very grand idea of herself.

"She is a Catholic. She knows what the tradition is when meeting the Pope.

"She obviously thinks she is the first lady.

"My message to her is 'You are not a Catholic Queen, my dear, and you never will be.' "

Mrs Blair was in Rome for a Church-organised conference entitled "Vanishing Youth? Solidarity with Children and Young People in an Age of Turbulence".

She was invited as an expert and remained afterwards for a private meeting with the Pope. A spokesman for the Vatican declined to reveal what they had discussed.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholicbashing; catholicchurch; cherieblair; fauxpas; gracekillers; herecomesthebashing; popebenedictxvi; protocol; vatican
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I wonder who the idiot was who let her make this blunder.
1 posted on 04/29/2006 7:27:08 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: Salvation; Coleus; NYer; narses

Ping.


2 posted on 04/29/2006 7:27:30 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
Picky, picky, picky.

I guess the new chaps and a clean duster wouldn't go over well there either.

4 posted on 04/29/2006 7:31:57 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Interim tagline: The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT!)
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To: wagglebee

I think she did it herself. There has been massive speculation that Blair has secretly converted, maybe this is her way of letting the Pope know.


5 posted on 04/29/2006 7:33:19 PM PDT by Full Court (Philippians 3:2  Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.)
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To: wagglebee
Everyone makes mistakes...


6 posted on 04/29/2006 7:33:35 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: wagglebee

A follower of Henry VIII.


7 posted on 04/29/2006 7:33:57 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: wagglebee
Oh for crying out loud!

Even Jesus didn't tell His followers what colors to wear(at least it wasn't important enough to be recorded).As long as one dresses modestly ,that ought to be enough.Jesus was not about pomp and ceremony,and the Roman Catholic Church concerns itself too much with appearances and ceremony and too little with preaching the Gospel.

8 posted on 04/29/2006 7:34:16 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: wagglebee

I feel quite confident the Pope did not care in the least.
He is not a petty man.


9 posted on 04/29/2006 7:34:28 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: wagglebee

Golly. Did it burn out il Papa's eyeballs?

I sorta like women in white, myself. And I still have 20/20 vision.


10 posted on 04/29/2006 7:35:08 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: operation clinton cleanup

Man...I love that pic...classic Cheney.

He's what people call in Florida... a gitter done.


11 posted on 04/29/2006 7:36:17 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: wagglebee
"My message to her is 'You are not a Catholic Queen, my dear, and you never will be.' "

...So does that mean Andrew Sullivan's allowed to wear white if he ever gets an audience?

12 posted on 04/29/2006 7:36:48 PM PDT by RichInOC (...I'm going to hell, aren't I?)
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To: Full Court
There has been massive speculation that Blair has secretly converted, maybe this is her way of letting the Pope know.

IIRC, under British law, Blair cannot remain PM if he is not a member of the Church of England, but I may be wrong about that. I do know his children are Catholic and that a Catholic priest says mass for his family which he attends every week. It would not surprise me if he does convert. However, if his wife wanted to let the Holy Father know that he had converted, why not just tell him.

13 posted on 04/29/2006 7:37:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Prokopton

Bump.. and agree with your comment!


14 posted on 04/29/2006 7:37:21 PM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: I got the rope

Best Vice President ever!


16 posted on 04/29/2006 7:39:44 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: wagglebee

This "blunder" needs to be in breaking. /not


17 posted on 04/29/2006 7:41:59 PM PDT by Drango (No electrons were harmed in this posting. Several however, were inconvenienced.)
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To: hoosierham
Yeah.
And also why few will kneel before clerics, and why the clerics will not con troll mankind.
18 posted on 04/29/2006 7:41:59 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: wagglebee

Who needs it? Silly man-made affectations. I support most of the Catholic church's positions but meaningless foofarah like this is why I would probably never be one.


19 posted on 04/29/2006 7:42:12 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: Prokopton
He is not a petty man.

Apparently, he has surrounded himself with loads of them....

20 posted on 04/29/2006 7:42:59 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: wagglebee

Maybe Mrs. Blair she had a bad case of dunduff

My bet is the Pope lived though it, white outfit and all

21 posted on 04/29/2006 7:43:35 PM PDT by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: wagglebee
I wonder who the idiot was who let her make this blunder.

Excellent question.

22 posted on 04/29/2006 7:44:18 PM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: wagglebee
I wonder is she did this on purpose. I can't imagine why she would unless she is making a statement against Monarchies in general. That would be strange since she is English. I know non Catholics might think this petty but Catholics have lost quite a little bit of tradition under the guise of "getting back to basics". Also its a matter of politeness.
23 posted on 04/29/2006 7:46:04 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Best Vice President ever!

Sure....but that is only because Reagan never served as Veep.....There really should be a star after the award!

24 posted on 04/29/2006 7:46:18 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: starfish923

It was answered in Post #7.


25 posted on 04/29/2006 7:46:24 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: wagglebee
However, if his wife wanted to let the Holy Father know that he had converted, why not just tell him.

Because then he would have to step down!!! (If the secret was out!)

26 posted on 04/29/2006 7:50:09 PM PDT by Full Court (Philippians 3:2  Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.)
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To: wagglebee
"I wonder who the idiot was who let her make this blunder."
Does it matter? Nobody would mistake her for the Pope, even if both are wearing white.
27 posted on 04/29/2006 7:51:04 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: hoosierham
"..the Roman Catholic Church concerns itself too much with appearances.."

According to the article, it wasn't anybody in the Catholic hierarchy who objected, it was a British member of parliament.

If I had to take a wild guess, I'd guess it's one who doesn't care for Cherie Blair.

28 posted on 04/29/2006 7:52:21 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Nihil humani mihi alienum.)
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To: wagglebee

Does it really matter? This is just so petty. There are serious problems in the world, including problems of spiritual nature, and to make a fuss over this just trivializes that.

The pontiff didn't seem to mind.


29 posted on 04/29/2006 7:52:52 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Bob Taft for Impeachment)
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To: wagglebee

At least she didn't wear a T-Shirt with a picture of Mohammed on it.


30 posted on 04/29/2006 7:52:58 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: wagglebee

I guess it's better than the time the native woman came to the meeting with the pope WITHOUT a shirt.


31 posted on 04/29/2006 7:54:17 PM PDT by Full Court (Philippians 3:2  Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.)
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To: catholicfreeper

Whether or not people are Catholic is irrelevant. The Pope is a recognized head of state and as such there is recognized protocol.


32 posted on 04/29/2006 7:54:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: GSlob
Well, I really think the issue here also is violating a protocol that is reserved for Queens of Royal lines that have remained loyal to the Church. There not many left in Catholic lands. I suppose one day Monaco might have a Catholic queen but I can't recall if Grace Kelly ever held that title. In fact, I ma not sure if Rainier was ever a King at all.
33 posted on 04/29/2006 7:57:02 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: wagglebee
Whether or not people are Catholic is irrelevant. The Pope is a recognized head of state and as such there is recognized protocol.

You're right. In addition to the cautions I posted in #4, you should brush the Stetson down real good too.

34 posted on 04/29/2006 7:57:24 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Interim tagline: The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT!)
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To: wagglebee
Act 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

Quite a difference between the "first pope" and the ones that followed...

If someone would have tried to kiss Peter's hand, Peter would have decked him...

35 posted on 04/29/2006 7:58:18 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the whole trailer park...)
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To: wagglebee

Hey I agree. I am all for tradition. I am sometimes shocked how some people dress when they meet the President in the oval office.


36 posted on 04/29/2006 7:58:33 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: Onelifetogive

Yeah wake me up when the THOUSANDS of teachers who molest children get as much press as priests did.

Care to compare the numbers'?


37 posted on 04/29/2006 7:58:33 PM PDT by Sonar5 (62 Million+ have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: catholicfreeper

I presume that Mrs. Blair has occasion to meet Queen Elizabeth on a very regular basis and has always followed traditional protocol when doing that.


38 posted on 04/29/2006 8:00:26 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Sonar5
Yeah wake me up when the THOUSANDS of teachers who molest children get as much press as priests did.

You are comparing your church to government-run schools?

"Hey, the leaders of my church are as upstanding and honorable as government bureaucrats...."

Nice standards you have there.....

39 posted on 04/29/2006 8:01:06 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: wagglebee



Are you kidding me? the color of clothes is a blunder in the Catholic Church? how retarded.


40 posted on 04/29/2006 8:02:45 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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Its Vatican protocal thats all right. Gosh I have seen US MArines kiss the Pope's ring when he has visted. Gosh, Jeb Bush knelt before Benedict. Its just a sign of respect to the office.


41 posted on 04/29/2006 8:07:13 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: wagglebee

How does wearing a particular color to meet a church official serve our Lord God? I suspect the Pope isn't worrying about it as much as the religious snobs are.


42 posted on 04/29/2006 8:09:15 PM PDT by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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To: skr

I doubt the Pope cared, but that isn't the point, there is protocol that Mrs. Blair should know as the wife of the British Prime Minister. And it should also be pointed out that in addition to being a religious leader, the Pope is a recognized head of state.


43 posted on 04/29/2006 8:12:32 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Does all that really make a difference? In the eyes of God, she and the Pope are both sinners.


44 posted on 04/29/2006 8:12:49 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk

And in the eyes of the world, the Pope is a head of state who should be afforded traditional protocol when he is meeting with an official guest.


45 posted on 04/29/2006 8:15:02 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: catholicfreeper
Jeb Bush knelt before Benedict. Its just a sign of respect to the office.

Now that doesn't sound good,kneeling before other men sounds a bit unbiblical to me.

46 posted on 04/29/2006 8:15:57 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: wagglebee

Oh, you mean like the Washington Press Corp respects the President of the United States.


47 posted on 04/29/2006 8:19:55 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk

I think the way the press corps treats Bush is horrible; however, this is still different, this was an OFFICIAL visit.


48 posted on 04/29/2006 8:21:06 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

LOL, gotta love it. Reserved for Catholic Queens by backside.. If it were me, I'd have told the Pope he could kiss my little finger. Who does he think he is..


49 posted on 04/29/2006 8:21:44 PM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: Havoc
Who does he think he is..

He thinks he is the Pope. And he's right.

50 posted on 04/29/2006 8:22:50 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Interim tagline: The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT!)
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