Posted on 04/29/2006 11:29:13 PM PDT by Dallas59
KANDAHAR: Afghan police found the headless body of an unidentified man in southern Afghanistan, a senior official said, as the Taliban on Sunday claimed it had shot dead an Indian hostage after he tried to escape.
Ghulam Nabi Malakhail, police chief of Zabul province, said a highway police patrol found the body near the Hassan Kariez district of Zabul, the same area where Indian hostage K Suryanarayana was abducted on Friday.
"We are investigating whether the body is that of the Indian hostage," Malakhail said.
Qari Yousaf Ahmadi, who releases regular statements on behalf of outlawed Taliban fighters, said militants shot the Indian after he tried to escape and fought with his captors.
Indian Embassy has sent a team of officials to Zabul to inspect the headless body after Taliban claims to have killed the Indian hostage.
Ahmadi issued a threat earlier saying all Indians must leave Afghanistan by 6:00 pm on Sunday or the Indian telecommunications engineer would be executed.
Suryanarayana, a father of three from Hyderabad aged in his early 40s, had been employed in Afghanistan since January by a Bahrain-based company al-Moayyad.
The company has been contracted by an Afghan mobile phone company, Roshan, to expand its mobile phone network across volatile provinces in southern Afghanistan.
His kidnapping is the first since four Macedonians of Albanian descent were kidnapped and killed in March, purportedly by Taliban militants.
Abducted engineer's family in shock
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1510233.cms
HYDERABAD: The news of Indian engineer A. Suryanarayana's abduction by Taliban in Afghanistan has shocked his family here.
Suryanarayana was abducted on Friday evening while travelling from Kalat, capital of Zabul province, to Ghazni. The Taliban has claimed the responsibility for the act, but no demands for his release have been made so far.
The engineer's family was shocked when officers from the regional passport office here informed them about the abduction.
His parents, wife K. Manjula and their three children were inconsolable even as other family members and relatives rushed to their house in Chandranagar in Malkajgiri neighbourhood to be with them.
"He was with us just 20 days ago and spoke to us over phone three days ago. We had never thought he would be kidnapped," said Manjula as tears rolled down her cheeks. Her two daughters and a son were all in trauma.
"He has not harmed anyone and we hope that the abductors would not harm him and release him immediately," she said.
The family members said Suryanarayana, who was working as telecom engineer at Tata Tele Services in Hyderabad, had joined Bahraini firm Al Mayyad in Afghanistan four months ago. He had come to meet this month and returned to Afghanistan.
Regional passport officer Bala Bhaskar said the ministry of external affairs was in close touch with the Indian embassy in Afghanistan and all efforts were being made to seek his release.
This is the third such incident in which the Taliban has targeted an Indian.
Nearly five months ago, Ramankutty Maniyappan, an engineer with the Indian Border Road Organisation (BRO), was kidnapped and beheaded by the Taliban militia to intimidate Indian workers into leaving Afghanistan.
Two months ago, Bharar Kumar, an Indian engineer working for the Louis Berger group that had sub-contracted the construction of the Kandahar-Herat highway to a Turkish construction company, was killed in an explosion in Farah province.
There are reports of Indian doctors working in Afghanistan getting threats from the Taliban.
This is the second time that a man from Andhra Pradesh has been kidnapped in Afghanistan.
In December 2003, Taliban had kidnapped Murali and Vardaiah, both semi-skilled labourers working on a highway connecting Kabul and Kandahar, on suspicion that they were spying for India. However, they were released unharmed after 20 days.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1623769/posts
http://indiaenews.com/2006-04/6135-india-proposed-deployment-paramilitary-crpf-afghanistan.htm
India proposed deployment of paramilitary CRPF in Afghanistan
Sunday, April 30th, 2006 at 12:44 am
New Delhi - Yet another kidnapping of an Indian engineer in Afghanistan has taken place even as the government of President Hamid Karzai is considering New Delhi’s proposal of deploying its paramilitary Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) personnel to guard Indians working in the risky countryside.
India had made this proposal in the wake of the killing five months ago of Ramankutty Maniyappan, an engineer of the Border Roads Organisation (BRO) working on the Zaranz-Delaram highway construction.
Karzai was reminded of the proposal when he was here on a visit earlier this month.
Diplomatic sources say that besides slow decision-making, the Karzai government is also hamstrung by Pakistani sensitivities about the presence of around 2,000 Indians working on various infrastructure and development projects in Afghanistan.
Islamabad has time and again protested at India having four consulates in Afghanistan, two of them in Jalalabad and Kandahar that are near the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.
Pakistan keeps accusing the Indian consulates of fomenting trouble in the tribal areas of North and South Waziristan where Pakistani security forces are constantly locked in a war of attrition with the Taliban and remnants of the Al Qaeda.
Who is behind Indian engineer K. Suryanarayan’s kidnapping is not still clear. Sources say Qaeri Yusuf Ahmadi, who claimed to speak for the Taliban is not the usual spokesman. Claims by the Taliban are generally done in the name of its supremo Mullah Omar.
Osama bin Laden too has never blamed India or Indians. However, his deputy, Ayman al-Zaweherie, last week for the first time spoke of ‘a Christian-Hindu-Zionist conspiracy’. One reason for this could be the perceptions about growing Indo-US relations in the wake of President George W. Bush’s visit to India and the nuclear deal.
It is more likely that the kidnapping has been engineered by Pakistani agencies supporting the forces opposed to the Indian presence. A likely source of trouble could be Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the one-time Mujahideen leader of the anti-Soviet campaign in Afghanistan who later accused India of supporting his arch-rival, the late Ahmed Shah Massoud.
Ping.
So are they claiming he prompted his own murder and it really wasn't because they were Nazi-like supremacists showing zero tolerance for other faiths (like Hinduism)?
ping
Wow,
The big bad Taliban killed a single, unarmed innocent man, and the send out a press release to brag about it.
Some real men, huh?
Ridiculous and evil people who shall someday meet thier maker under very harsh conditions
You said it.
But but he tried to escape and fought with us..we were justified.
He did not "submit"... and thus he was killed. Such is the way of Allah.
I can bet that Pakistan was involved in the kidnapping and murder.
It's obvious.This poor fellow was not even working for any Indian concern.Who benefits most by driving out all Indians & opposing deployment of Indian CPOs in Afghanistan?????????
I think we should send in the Army instead of the police.
Well,any forces committed would have to be content with guard duties given (Paki) sensitivities-that would make the army a no-no.
Any proof of that? Wasnt there an attempt on Musharraf's life by the same folks? India should stop whining and take decisive action against Islamic terror.
Umm what further proof do you need that Pakiland has been very iffy about Indian activities in Afghanistan.Besides why are Afghanistan & the US so pissed off about Pakistan????
About taking action against Islamic filth,well that means taking on the Paki military,which a lot of folks will think will destabilise poor mushy.
"India should stop whining and take decisive action against Islamic terror."
Let me enlighten you. US didnt allow Indian troops to operate in Afghanistan due to pressure from the Bush's pal Musharraf. So dontgo saying what India should do.
in the past i would have agreed with you. but isnt the pakistani army taking on the taliban in wazirstan and other provinces? wasnt there an attempt on musharraf's life by these very elements. now it could very well be the case that a small renegade section is supporting the taliban. but let us not pronounce the whole military guilty.
About taking action against Islamic filth,well that means taking on the Paki military,which a lot of folks will think will destabilise poor mushy.
my whole point. when will india do that? why should we come and clean everybodys backyard. let me present a hypothetical scenario to you. if there was NO terrorism in kashmir would india have joined us in the WOT?? please be honest. i know that a lot of communists and left leaning folks in india hate us for no reason.
I am tired of that allegation that the US didnt allow india to do this or do that. I even remember reading a theory that we prevented india from going to war with pakistan in 2002(??) after an attack on their parliament. Honestly I think the Indians are scared of Pakistan and their military wasnt prepared to take on such an offensive. Hence they came up with this face saving excuse. When everything else fails - blame the US. We may have been interested in preventing war for the general good but it was the indian political leadership that lacked the spine to attack pakistan
Honestly look at your size and your economy and look at Pakistan. If China was in your place they would have launched an invasion of pakistan light ages ago.
The Paki army takes on Waziristan whenever there is international pressure on it & the media rarely gets to see what goes on there..........hope u get my drift.
About India joining the WOT if there was no terror in Kashmir-well reorient the question & ask would the US & others cooperate with India if Sept 11th didn't take place????There is no place for values in international relations.
2 offensives were planned in 2002-one in January & another in May-if the military weren't prepared,they wouldn't have mobilised in under a month.
Well then why dontthe Chinese attack Taiwan?
You are ignoring facts to dream up anything you like.
That US prevented India from going to afghanistan is fact.
Ragarding pakistan , US has been preventing war here for a while. Read about the 1999 kargil situation.
I am interested in knowing how we could prevent a war..India isnt a banana republic. Hoestly the indians just dont have it in them to attack pakistan.
Then how do you explain the attempts on Gen.Musharraf's life?? Give credit to him. I dont think India can / would ever do that for us.
About India joining the WOT if there was no terror in Kashmir-well reorient the question & ask would the US & others cooperate with India if Sept 11th didn't take place????There is no place for values in international relations.
Honestly you need us and not the other way round. All said and done I do think this WOT against fundamentalist islam is something that we all should be worried about. Including Russia.
2 offensives were planned in 2002-one in January & another in May-if the military weren't prepared,they wouldn't have mobilised in under a month.
you tell me!! from what i heard the indian army was soo poorly trained that their soldiers died while laying mines. i believe the navy and air force is good but your army has no significant advantage over the pakistani army. maybe that is why. but if i remember right you and pakistan have a "cold war" going from the 80s and you could have attacked them anytime..
When militaries are on a state of alert for over 5 months at a time,heightened attrition is inevitable.In the terrain of Kashmir,no army has an advantage-fighting always ends in stalemate,irrespective of technology levels & competence.The Indian army has clear superiority in the plains of Punjab,the Thar & Gujarat marshes.Hence most of the fighting for PAkistan would have to be concentrated on Kashmir.
About Mushy doing a lot,well if he did'nt do anything,he & his military would have been consigned to the stone age by Bush.Not a pleasant situation for anyone to be in.
Everyone needs each other.India obviously needs US cooperation while the US needs India to ensure that a latent coercive influence exists over PAkistan & China.
Isnt that a case for an indian victory?? I mean you could take defensive position around kashmir and conduct an offensive action along the three fronts you mentioned??
In terms of training and competence I would rate the Pakistani army higher than the Indian Army. What makes you think the Indian Army has a decisive edge over Pakistan? The Navy and the Air Force maybe but the Indian and Pakistani armies are masses of infantry.
The Pakistani army's competence is probably the main reason why they blew up atleast 4 opportunities to defeat India despite initiating conflicts!!!The only advantage the Pakistani army has is it's dedicated cadre of terrorists operating inside India.
Taking defensive positions in Kashmir would still be very bloody for all sides,including civilians.Wars today are no longer about fighting,fighting & then some more.International pressure,national sentiments all play a big role.
Anyways as we talk
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1511142.cms
"I am interested in knowing how we could prevent a war..India isnt a banana republic. "
By being in bed with Pakistan. By declaring them a major ally. By supporting the dictator. That gives them the impunity to treat India anyway they like and the feeling that they will never have to pay for it because uncle sam will never let India attack Pak.
US has always played a zero sum game between India and pak. Since India is desperate to get deals like the recent Nuclear deal , they dont want to do anything that ruins relations with US. So thats the leverage US has on India. If India had a seat on the security council this would not happen which is why the US is against that.
US plays this game for the aggrandizement of its own power.
"Any proof of that?"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1623976/posts
http://www.india-defence.com/reports/1850
"It is more likely that the kidnapping has been engineered by Pakistani agencies supporting the forces opposed to the Indian presence. A likely source of trouble could be Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the one-time Mujahideen leader of the anti-Soviet campaign in Afghanistan who later accused India of supporting his arch-rival, the late Ahmed Shah Massoud. "
"India should stop whining and take decisive action against Islamic terror."
Whining?
If we move against Pakistan your country will be the first to come whining to us to save the skin of your allies. Remember the time India was ready to send army into Afghanistan and the US chickened out because the Pakis didn't like the idea of having the Indian army in Afghanistan and thereby losing their strategic depth?
The next time US comes asking for our help (whether in Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan) we will remember your comments and ask YOU to "stop whining".
".Wars today are no longer about fighting,fighting & then some more.International pressure,national sentiments all play a big role."
Yes and my guess is when Pakistan starts taking the blows, US will immidiately come running pretending to intervene and diffuse tension, and will try to insinuate itself in the role of a self appointed mediator while subtly lending diplomatic and military support for Pakistan.
honestly controlling india wont help us in the "aggrandizement (phew what a word) of our power". that region doesnt do anything for us.
you keep repeating "uncle sam will never let india attack pak". i am saying that it is merely a face saving excuse for india to not go to war
you got it wrong. we gave a face saving excuse to india to avoid war. it was a case of india shouting out to us.."please come and stop me". i am sorry. i love india but from past history it shows that indians dont stand up to bullies.
anyways my comments are not meant to be anti indian in any way. just my impression of things.
my whole point. when will india do that? why should we come and clean everybodys backyard. let me present a hypothetical scenario to you.
You mean you clean everybody's back yards by giving Islamic dictators like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia military aid and weaponry? Yeah good work! (/sarc)
if there was NO terrorism in kashmir would india have joined us in the WOT?? please be honest. i know that a lot of communists and left leaning folks in india hate us for no reason.
You tell me, had there been no 9/11 would theUS have bother at all? We all know the answer to that. Dont tell me there arnt guys like you in your country who hated India and chose Pakistan as their allies. Remember we became Soviet allies because your country decided Pakistan would make a better ally. Supporting Islamic dictators was part of your foreign policy untill 9/11.
my whole point. when will india do that? why should we come and clean everybodys backyard. let me present a hypothetical scenario to you.
You mean you clean everybody's back yards by giving Islamic dictators like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia military aid and weaponry? Yeah good work! (/sarc)
if there was NO terrorism in kashmir would india have joined us in the WOT?? please be honest. i know that a lot of communists and left leaning folks in india hate us for no reason.
You tell me, had there been no 9/11 would theUS have bother at all? We all know the answer to that. Dont tell me there arnt guys like you in your country who hated India and chose Pakistan as their allies. Remember we became Soviet allies because your country decided Pakistan would make a better ally. Supporting Islamic dictators was part of your foreign policy untill 9/11.
"Honestly look at your size and your economy and look at Pakistan. If China was in your place they would have launched an invasion of pakistan light ages ago."
So China has already invaded Taiwan right? Oh I guess you would say Taiwan is way way more stronger than Pakistan. /sarc
" Hoestly the indians just dont have it in them to attack pakistan."
Really? How do you think India created Bangladesh? At a time when Nixon and his henchmen Kissenger were assisting General Yahya Khan with the genocide of 4 million Hindus in east Pak, had sent their seventh fleet in show of support for their allies and to rattle their sabre against India, we went ahead and smashed your allies and whittled away an independent Bangladesh while Nixon and his new found ally Chou En Lai sat watching impotently.
If you can get your head out of your @ss you would be able to see that tolerance and patience of a democratic nation isnt the same as military weakness. The Pakistani generals always made that mistake and so always got their arse handed back on a platter.
look we all live in our dream worlds. maybe YOUR media is telling you the "facts" that you quote. i do know that musharraf is helping us in the border areas. i am sure it isnt out of love and affection. but he is helping us alright. i do agree that he can do more.
Dont tell me there arnt guys like you in your country who hated India and chose Pakistan as their allies
honestly india 'hated' the US more than the other way round. for most americans india was just another country. it is only in the last decade or so that engineers from your country came and settled down here. atleast in numbers that caused an impact. whereas your country had a fabian socialist government that hated us and capitalism. please be fair.
You tell me, had there been no 9/11 would theUS have bother at all?
I am no fan of Bubba. But when he made a trip to India I thought he snubbed Pakistan. Isnt that right? Pres.Bush thought of India as a great friend and partner way before 911
So China has already invaded Taiwan right? Oh I guess you would say Taiwan is way way more stronger than Pakistan. /sarc
If Taiwan behaved like Pakistan, I assure you that china would have invaded taiwan.
You prez Bill Clinton gave Nawaz Sharief the "face saving" the day when Pak Army lost Tolouling to Indian Army and the Northern light infanty guys were about to be butchered at the hand of India. Your former Secretary of State (and Pro-Pak and anti India) Colin Powell came running to India the very same day when India moved the third armored corps to Bikaner from Bhopal. You know of course how close Bikaner is to Pakistan.
Trust me Colin is not anti indian and neither was Bubba. And your armored corps wasnt waking into a flower field, I am sure the Pakistanis had their Armored Corps divisions ready too. I dont think your military had a great chance in 2002 and I think the Indian leadership realised that and lost their nerve.
Either you are too ignorant or deliberately blind to reality. You care to comment on subjects without knowing enough. You should read more from sources other than Paki websites that claim victory saying Indians were too scared to attack. The fact is that the Paki generals were scared silly considering India's vast military superiority that they went crying to US for help.
Please be civil. I am well informed on the situation and the politics of the indian subcontinent. I am actually pro india as many of my posts indicate. However I wont twist facts.
Grant you that. Kissinger and Nixon screwed us with their China policy and their tilt towards Pakistan.
in show of support for their allies and to rattle their sabre against India, we went ahead and smashed your allies and whittled away an independent Bangladesh while Nixon and his new found ally Chou En Lai sat watching impotently
You forgot to mention your ally the Soviet Union. :-)
Bump!
If the region doesnt do anything for US why does Dubya call upon Dr singh so often to get deals for Boeing etc?
Do you know India is the fastest growing export market for the USA?
Do you even read the news?
I spoke to some officers who worked with the Pakistani Military. They found the Pakistanis to be very professional.
In 2002 Pakistan had two third of their military might stationed near the Pak-Afghan border to to brace up against the huge mass of refugees and terrorists coming from Afghanistan under American onslaught. India then could have simply walked into Pakistan without having to face any opposition. There were several articles thats cited the fact that Pakistan was then totally under prepared.
Could you point me to me some sources? I thought that only a fraction of the Pakistani Army was on the Pak-Afghan border. Probably around 20%.
Moreover Pakistan then was reeling under an economic downturn. Just a naval blockade would have brought them to their knees. Their military has degraded due to years of American arms embargo. And add to that this wasn't 1965 or 1971 when India and Pakistan had military parity (and yet we beat them). In 2002 India was vastly (and I mean vastly) superior to Pakistan so much so that a nuclear first strike from Pakistan would have been their only option.
Again opinions differ. I believe the 65 war was a stalemate but the 71 war was a victory for the Indians.
The Pakis got saved because of America especially due to the efforts of Colin Powell. You sound just like the Pakis who think they scared off the Indians.
Nuts. Colin Powell went there to prevent a possible nuclear war. He didnt have veto power over India. If the Indians had gone into Pakistan we would not have interfered. This is total BS. An excuse for not having the guts to attack pakistan
Honestly what do you expect us to do when your country was arming and funding Pakistan to fight us? And judging from FR I would say America has a lot more anti-Indians then there are anti-Americans in India. BTW India today is the worlds most pro-American country. The same isnt true about America with respect to India by any stretch of imagination.
Pleaseee. The Nehru Government didnt trust us Capitalists. It was India that chose the Soviet Union. We arent fools to choose Pakistan over India. We were forced to do so. I dont buy the fact that India is the most pro-american country. Maybe it is among the urban young in India. I am sure your opinion polls arent reliable either. I do agree that there is some hostility towards Indians here and it is because of out sourcing.
China has a Kashmir-like situation in Uighuristan (caused by Pakistan), I am not aware they invaded anybody.
And they are still arming Pakistan?
Sources? Numbers? I bet you that India doesnt even account for 5% of US exports.
You want to avoid understanding the point. live with your prejudice. I dont give a rats ass.
Doesnt sound impressive. Coming from a rat and an ass
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