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Kennedy’s opposition to wind farm is suspicious ( NIMBY Alert )
Metro West Daily News ^ | April 30, 2006 | John P. Gregg

Posted on 04/30/2006 8:35:58 AM PDT by george76

Fans of U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy have long argued that he has fought the good fight ...

But today, he is defending the indefensible: special interest legislation, tucked into a Coast Guard authorization bill, that would give Gov. Mitt Romney the power to veto the proposed Cape Wind energy project, even though it would be in federal waters.

The project... more than five miles offshore of Cape Cod.

The equivalent of burning 113 million barrels of oil per year.

Proponents of Cape Wind say it is an important source of alternative, renewable energy, and it has the backing of such environmental groups as Greenpeace USA, the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Conservation Law Foundation.

Even though this is an election year for Kennedy, it should be an easy time of it.

No formidable competition is on that horizon, and he has amassed an $8.7 million campaign war chest (even as he also argues "I am concerned we have the best Congress money can buy.").

Ironically, he did admit on the NPR interview to changing his mind on one issue he fiercely opposed 20 years ago -- nuclear power.

New technology dealing with enriched uranium has convinced Kennedy, he said, "I think we have to put everything back on the table."

Everything but a pathbreaking wind farm eight miles at sea from his beloved Hyannis Port.

(Excerpt) Read more at metrowestdailynews.com ...


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1 posted on 04/30/2006 8:36:00 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

I suggest we use the windbag teddy kennedy to operate these off shore windmills with his tired tirads. Lower energy bills and ted out of the senate, A win-win situation!


2 posted on 04/30/2006 8:38:42 AM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: nutmeg
 

3 posted on 04/30/2006 8:38:54 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: texson66
Kennedy Wind Energy.

 

4 posted on 04/30/2006 8:40:31 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

There's something wrong with a state that keeps sending this turd to the senate.


5 posted on 04/30/2006 8:41:52 AM PDT by hang 'em (Illegal aliens should be arrested and deported, period.)
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To: george76

Maybe he'll change his mind when he sobers up....


6 posted on 04/30/2006 8:42:22 AM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: hang 'em

They could call it the Mary Jo Kopechne Wind Farm.


7 posted on 04/30/2006 8:43:54 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

You know, for the life of me, I can't figure out what "NIMBY" is. Totally ready to thump my forehead and shout "Of course!" once somebody clues me in...


8 posted on 04/30/2006 8:47:00 AM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS))
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To: george76

POS


9 posted on 04/30/2006 8:47:20 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: Ladysmith

Not In My BackYard.


10 posted on 04/30/2006 8:48:57 AM PDT by thesharkboy
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To: george76

Somebody should ask him for suggestions on where he thinks a wind farm would be OK. I suspect he can't do it without displacing some of his constituents.


11 posted on 04/30/2006 8:50:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: satchmodog9

He should release his jet fuel, electrical, heating oil, total energy use records...


12 posted on 04/30/2006 8:52:03 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Like most everything else, I'm not read up on the fine points of this proposed wind farm. If I lived on Cape Cod, I might not like the view either, assuming you can see much of it from 5 miles away especially when there is fog, but you have to consider those who would benefit.

Just how large an area can be serviced by the power generated, part of a state, a few cities, or great parts of New England.

The reason I'm asking is that there are people in northern New England who are hurting especially badly from energy prices. Whether or not they get government help, if this project, or one like it further north would help them to be more self-sufficient, I think it would be a good thing for the country and all concerned.

Their selfish, self-centered interest turns me off. We all have to put up with things we'd rather not have for the good of others.

13 posted on 04/30/2006 8:53:23 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: cripplecreek

Anywhere, but not near him.

He is against personal responsibility for his own actions.


14 posted on 04/30/2006 8:54:13 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Aliska

At peak output, the project would generate more than 400 megawatts of electricity, enough to meet the needs of some 400,000 homes on Cape Cod and the nearby islands.


15 posted on 04/30/2006 8:59:34 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: cripplecreek
Somebody should ask him for suggestions on where he thinks a wind farm would be OK.

Dorchester or Roxbury would be fine with the pig, not that he would publicly say so tho.

16 posted on 04/30/2006 9:00:39 AM PDT by mmercier
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To: mmercier

17 posted on 04/30/2006 9:02:03 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: thesharkboy

THUMP!


18 posted on 04/30/2006 9:03:21 AM PDT by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: Aliska
assuming you can see much of it from 5 miles away

5 miles visibility across the ocean is no problem on a reasonably clear day, depending upon how tall these windmills will be. I used to sail off Mass, NH, and Maine (and elsewhere in the Northeast) and I don't doubt they'd be visible from the shore and certainly while sailing in Nantucket Sound.

19 posted on 04/30/2006 9:03:49 AM PDT by angkor
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To: thesharkboy
Oh geez. D-UH!

Thanks!

20 posted on 04/30/2006 9:05:32 AM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS))
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To: george76
Oh, most of them are rich and wouldn't care as they are vacation homes for the most part. That's not very wide coverage.

But if they are hogging energy that could be diverted elsewhere, that is another matter.

There may be some who manage to live there year-round who might benefit.

As a child I visited Nantucket. Presumably it was more affordale then, lovely, charming place. Kids came out to the boat and dove for coins people threw in the water. I wonder if they still do that. As a parent, I don't think I'd like my kid doing that.

21 posted on 04/30/2006 9:09:37 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: angkor
That would have been my assumption, too. Just how much of an eyesore would they be? I suppose that is subjective. They could ruin your photographs, but I notice a lot of people are taking photographs of this new technology. The bottom line is you can make almost anything work for you or against you.

Just imagine Holland without those picturesque windmills.

22 posted on 04/30/2006 9:12:43 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: mmercier
"Dorchester or Roxbury would be fine with the pig, not that he would publicly say so tho."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dorchester and Roxbury are too high class for that bloated, lecherous, drunken, murderous s.o.b. (son of a bootlegger.)
23 posted on 04/30/2006 9:14:28 AM PDT by OkeyDokeyOkie
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To: george76

bttt


24 posted on 04/30/2006 9:18:16 AM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: george76
The problem with all these lefties and NIMBYs is that after 30 years of no drilling offshore in the Gulf or Pacific, no domestic drilling, no ANWR drilling, no nuke plants, no coal plants, no new refineries, all in the name of the environment and these bastards all have the balls to bitch about Bush doing nothing.

We have made this nest and now we are lying in it and no one is pointing to the real problem.

25 posted on 04/30/2006 9:23:55 AM PDT by irish guard
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To: george76
We have quite a few of them in West Texas.Close up they are huge.From a 5 mile distance,they are hard to notice unless there are numerous ones in a line.I would bet he has never seen one up close,or at a distance.He is opposed to the project because his rich neighbors would cut off the money flow,and support.Kennedy's eyes are so bloodshot,he couldn't see them with binoculars.The Discovery channel should quit trying to find the Loch Ness Monster,and try to find out what is in the water that the people of Massachusetts drink.
26 posted on 04/30/2006 9:31:31 AM PDT by xarmydog
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To: Aliska
Every time 400,000 homes can be provided electricity on the Cape and on the Islands, that can mean more and cheaper electricity for you.

Right now, we are burning alot of oil to take care of Kennedy, Kerry, David Letterman, Walter Cronkite, and the others on those Islands and on Cape Cod. This oil could be used elsewhere.

If local wind energy and/or nuclear energy was produced at the local areas, then Northern New England could keep their electrical production at home and would not have to support the swimmer and his friends.
27 posted on 04/30/2006 9:39:24 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: irish guard

You are correct.

If the emotional politicans restrict and deny oil production from Alaska, California, Florida...and

They deny new refineries ( 30 years ? )...and

They allow different states and cities to require different boutique gasoline blends...which causes big delays and big expenses...and

They deny new nuclear building permits...and

They allow millions of new illegals into the country who then want energy...

No wonder it is a mess after 30 years of neglect.


28 posted on 04/30/2006 9:46:25 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: All
This debacle is useful for highlighting liberal hypocrisy, but can be safely dismissed as a sideshow w.r.t. the global growth of wind power. The US was the largest market in the world last year, installing 2.4GW, and is on track to install 3GW or more this year (you could do more but the turbine manufacturers are sold out!).

Global installations in 2006 are predicted to be 13GW.

For comparison, Hoover Dam has a 2GW peak generation capacity.


29 posted on 04/30/2006 9:48:04 AM PDT by alnitak ("That kid's about as sharp as a pound of wet liver" - Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: george76
Fans of U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy have long argued that he has fought the good fight ...

LoL!

He can't even fight a good fight against the bottle!

30 posted on 04/30/2006 9:48:15 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Aliska

At five miles...you can't see a thing. Of course, if rafting or sailing...within one mile...it will be obvious. You can bank on this...no wind farms on the entire cape...off the cape or on the cape itself...will be allowed. So you can start asking yourself just what kinda special interests are at work and how much they care about alternate electrical power (answer: none).

In Germany...with around 20,000 of these wind-mills out there...it barely produces 2 percent of the national grid. Of course, the long term goal is 30 percent...to knock atomic energy out of the system. But you can figure the numbers here...well over 200,000 would be necessary. And Germans are already starting to have heartburn at 20,000 now. You have to place them in places where wind does occur...so that takes a number of places out of competition. And the tops of hills are the best spot...which offends alot of the nature lovers.


31 posted on 04/30/2006 9:50:43 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: george76
Every time 400,000 homes can be provided electricity on the Cape and on the Islands, that can mean more and cheaper electricity for you.

I'm with you except for one thing. By the time the costs of building and maintaining the ocean/land wind farms are amortized, it's not going to mean cheaper energy for me or the millions of people out there like me. I just don't see it. They tell us things are going to be better, then the expenses keep climbing anyway.

We have no (that I know of) hydro-electric power plants on the Mississippi. A lot of energy could be supplied that way. They could stick those windmills in the river even. In the end, it's not going to give us cheaper energy because somebody will ruin it. I'm just cynical about it.

It's all like one big mirage to me. I'd like to be proven wrong. We got a nuke plant. Did our energy prices go down? No, they have hit record highs.

We have to do something, but in the end, the little and middle people are going to get screwed over again.

32 posted on 04/30/2006 9:55:45 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: pepsionice
I even read you can purchase your own windmill for your roof. The city would probably not allow it even if it is a good thing which I doubt.

Nope, yak, yak, yak, and nothing will change. We need to drill now and at the same time, look ahead to the future, not wait like we have. Still, I do not believe no matter what they do, energy costs are going to decline for the average American.

33 posted on 04/30/2006 10:04:12 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: pepsionice
In Germany...with around 20,000 of these wind-mills out there...it barely produces 2 percent of the national grid.

At the end of 2005, Germany has 17,574 turbines producing 5.5% of national electricity requirements.

34 posted on 04/30/2006 10:05:54 AM PDT by alnitak ("That kid's about as sharp as a pound of wet liver" - Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: texson66
I suggest we use the windbag teddy kennedy to operate these off shore windmills with his tired tirads. Lower energy bills and ted out of the senate, A win-win situation!--texson66
 
brilliant suggestion. ;)

 

Would certainly ensure a continuous supply.
Perhaps that other MA windbag will join him.
An energy synergy in the making, for sure.



35 posted on 04/30/2006 10:13:44 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: thesharkboy

The Do As I Say, Not As I Do crowd.


36 posted on 04/30/2006 10:13:51 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: george76
So why aren't we and our media friends "blowing" this to the skies?

It would take the wind our of the dims attacks blaming the gas prices on us and Bush.

Why doesn't someone start asking these dimWits "Why are you democrats so determined to keep the U.S. dependent on foreign oil that is , increasingly, controlled by hostile regimes?" (We need a mantra that will catch the sheeple's ears)

Let them answer that one - Like, is Keenedy got a secret deal going with China? Will we soon see China erecting a wind farm off the cost of Mass? They're already putting up their oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico..

Bring to the front their decades of blocking drilling, refineries, exploration, alternatives, and now even this wind farm.

Someone needs to add up how much LESS dependent we would be right now if not for all the blocking of the above.

Add it up and get it out there people to look at...

(I am amused that there's not also a comparison to people = like there should be a cartoon of - at the gas pump, screaming about the price, with a $5.00 Starbucks in one hand, and a $5.00 a pack cigarette in the other - a person could save that $300. worth a month (at only one uber-coffee and one pack a day) and buy a heck of alot of gas

37 posted on 04/30/2006 10:14:59 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time," Lincoln)
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To: Aliska
If we continue to restrict the production and transmission of energy, then prices will continue to go up unnecessarily fast.

The costs of construction today is unnecessarily high. For example, if the politicans would allow cement production to be increased to meet the demands for cement, then the prices and availability would improve.

The price of energy is determined by the market place. If the production and transmission is politically restricted and limited, then pressure will be on for higher prices.

If the demands for energy continues to increase, the pressure will be on higher prices.

The results of doing nothing seems evident.

Doing something seems best.
38 posted on 04/30/2006 10:18:12 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: maine-iac7

"From 1986 to 2003, using 2004 dollars, the real national annual average price for gasoline, including taxes, generally has been below $2 per gallon," noted the Federal Trade Commission in a 2005 report absolving the industry of collusion.

 "By contrast, between 1919 and 1985, real national annual average retail gasoline prices were above $2 per gallon more often than not."

While the average profit on the sale of a gallon of gasoline is nine cents, the average state and federal tax on that same gallon of gasoline is about 45 cents (and 52 cents in Michigan). And if we must have an investigation, how about investigating the extent to which government regulations drive up prices and block new production?

Management guru Peter Drucker once remarked, with his usual drollery, that profit is "whatever government lets a company keep." But most folks have a vastly inflated view of corporate profits. One regular survey of Americans found that the majority believes the average corporate profit is between 30 percent and 40 percent of sales, while the real figure is closer to 4 percent.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060430/OPINION03/604300323/1267


39 posted on 04/30/2006 10:23:14 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: pepsionice
The point is - we need multiple alternative energy sources to get us out from under the thumb of foreign oil, increasingly from hostile countries.

No one alternative is gong to be the end all supplier. That could be a plus also - eggs in separate baskets - harder for someone to destroy them all at once.

I'm semi-retired - make a little money writing, a little painting, etc - put it together and I eat. If I sat and said to myself, well, the writing isn't going to be enough, or the painting isn't going to bring in enough, so I'll do nothing, I'd be really hungry by now.

40 posted on 04/30/2006 10:23:47 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time," Lincoln)
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To: Aliska
Windmills are ugly, noisy, kill wildlife, are expensive to maintain, and not reliable. They do little to fulfill a nation's energy demand because backup energy sources must be on line when the wind is not blowing.

Nuclear power is the only way to solve our energy needs and even blockheads like Kennedy are starting to realize it.

The point here is Kennedy is a hypocrite because he advocates alternative energy for thee and me, but not for him and his rich friends.
41 posted on 04/30/2006 10:23:53 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: george76
Teddy's afraid the "whop, whop, whop..." (and no, that's NOT a slam at Italians as my granddaughter is half Sicilian) will create problems in his new Martha's Vinyard recording studio where he plans to soon cut his latest chart-topping CD. Just as soon as he stops cutting the cheese...

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42 posted on 04/30/2006 10:25:22 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: BigBobber

Well said.

"Nuclear power is the only way to solve our energy needs and even blockheads like Kennedy are starting to realize it.

The point here is Kennedy is a hypocrite because he advocates alternative energy for thee and me, but not for him and his rich friends."


43 posted on 04/30/2006 10:28:10 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Perhaps we should buy a small piece of property near this POS's home. Thereon, place a memorial to Mary Jo Kopechne.


44 posted on 04/30/2006 10:33:18 AM PDT by Gator113
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To: george76
Everyone here seems to have missed the fact that a large part of Kennedy's portfolio is invested in OIL COMPANIES. Perhaps it's just simple greed and nothing more sinister.
45 posted on 04/30/2006 10:37:36 AM PDT by free_at_jsl.com
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To: free_at_jsl.com
Al Gore's dad got big gifts of oil company stocks, too.

I believe that his mother still controls it, but this oil money has been helping the Gore family for decades.

Another hypocrite !
46 posted on 04/30/2006 10:43:21 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

The same f___ing hypocrite he's always been.


47 posted on 04/30/2006 10:44:27 AM PDT by pankot
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To: hang 'em

America should secede from Taxachusetts.


48 posted on 04/30/2006 10:46:04 AM PDT by pankot
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To: george76
$8.7 million campaign war chest

Should cover his bar bill and bail for the relatives.

49 posted on 04/30/2006 10:46:17 AM PDT by Bernard (God helps those who helps themselves - The US Government takes in the rest.)
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To: george76
Doing something seems best

I agree even if it doesn't work out as anticipated.

The whole thing makes me angry. I do NOT begrudge people luxury homes, but everything is out of kilter. That and condos are all that are being built. Those homes are HUGE and not energy cost-efficient. The reason there are many people can build those homes is that (1) they do make a lot of money and (2) interest rates have been low, stimulating the building industry. The net effect is that, as a society we are robbing peter to pay paul. The rich in both parties are pulling the strings, and they are going to look out for themselves first. That's politics.

Instead we should be building earth berm homes, smaller ones, blah blah, so the whole thing does not make any sense.

To further complicate the problem, because our society has become so fragmented, people are not as self-reliant as they could be. With a two-parent home, the father can do a lot of things to reduce energy costs that women can do but are harder for them.

My home is very energy inefficient which is partly my own fault. It needs complete new insulation in the attic, caulking, I bought the wrong kind of storm windows which are impossible to have nice shiny clean windows the way they are designed, some are missing storm windows because I can't pull them out myself, need help for that. So it goes. I will deal with it. I have taken no help from any government program, even low-cost loans from the city because I am perverse about certain things and feel that other people deserve it more. But a lot of them are playing the system for all it's worth. For the very rich, it is not an issue if you have so many millions, it's chump change to pay your monthly bill.

Now I need to get off this kick and start to figure out my medigap insurance, because I intend to purchase some kind of supplement. What a mess that is going to be to sort through!

50 posted on 04/30/2006 10:53:39 AM PDT by Aliska
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