Skip to comments.Veterans push for crackdown on Medal of Honor fakers
Posted on 04/30/2006 2:26:19 PM PDT by SandRat
CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. Faking American medals of honor is apparently a growth industry.
In fact, federal authorities now say there are more Medal of Honor impostors than actual living recipients.----
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I despise the vile impostors.
Anyone caught doing this should be publicly caned and then forced to do a live interview on all major networks. Maybe put them in the gallery during the State of the Union speech and point them out.
Despicable. There are a few awards in my profession and in my avocation that I aspire to. I wouldn't dream of faking them. I might not get them, but I might still. The most likely is an age group national championship in the 3000m racewalk next March at the indoor Masters' Track and Field meet in Boston. I had to drop out at 700m of this year's competition with a muscle strain. I've rested and am slowly ramping up my training.
Couldn't we just shoot them instead?
My Nephew was killed near fallujah. At his funeral in his home in N.J. some whacko impersonated a marine officer in full dress uniform with all kinds of medals.
He got very near J. T.s mom and then the f.b.i. nabbed the nutcase. Good thing J.T.s father didn't get ahold of this guy at the time or all of the emotions would have come out and the idiot would have become a statistic.
I think there are also more POW poseurs than there are POW's, and 6 or 8 times as many SF/SEAL/MACV-SOG phonies as there are the real thing.
Being somewhat obsessed with war and the military, I have busted many phonies over the last 35 years, although no MOH impostors.
In the 70s it was phony Green Berets, then after SEAL movies became popular in the 80s and 90s SEALs became the new thing.
POW has always been a popular identity for phonies
It surprises me how easy it is to penetrate the typical "veteran" con.
I think you're grossly wrong about 8 or 10 Phonies for every real SEAL; from what I've read, there may be as many as 50 to 100 lying SEALs for every real SEAL. And from what I've seen, some of the world's least likely candidates will make the claim they "were a SEAL in VN". When I ask them "just where were you in VN"?, the standard answer is: ALL OVER THE PLACE!
You can bet there will be a few more from the Gulf War, Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan...Keep up the work. At least I have my 214 to back me up.
That is why John Kerry did not win a Medal of Honor he could have been sent to jail for that lie. But the other medals are OK to steal.
Stolen Valor sure changed the way I look at Medals people claim to have.
Best retribution is to make them earn it.
Hmm, I think I know where three Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star are that should also be taken back.
Don't forget the Silver Star or the Honorable Characterization on the DD215.
"You can bet there will be a few more from the Gulf War, Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan...Keep up the work. At least I have my 214 to back me up."
You mean it didn't burn up in the 1973 fire in the St. Louis records center?
If you don't know, one of the common explanations for no proof of military exploits is that fire, but the destroyed records have nothing to do with most veterans, also they have largly been rebuilt.
What the hell is a "DD215" Did they change the form, or is that what imposters use?
I have a DD214.
this is probably the biggest collection of poseurs and their stories on the imternet....the GOOD part is that THESE have been busted!
PHONIES and WANNABE'S
A NATIONWIDE EPIDEMIC
LISTS OF NAMES: those claiming Vietnam POW
D E - F
G H I - J K
L M N - O
P - R S T - V
W - Z
V V A - P.O.W. Claims by members of Vietnam Veterans of America
More NAMES and more Reported Claims:
Medal of Honor, Other than Vietnam POWs, Son Tay Raiders, DSC, DFC, Purple Heart, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Navy Cross, SEALS, Rangers, Pilots, Special Forces, Green Berets, Combat, Vietnam Helicopter Pilots, Flying Tigers, DOUBT EVERYTHING, Don't Encourage
B C D E - G
H - J K - L
M N - R
S T - V
W - Z
A DD215 is issued when something is added to a DD214 or the DD214 is changed by BUPERS/AG/whateverit is for the AF.
Wouldn't work for me. I retired in 2005, besides the service member is given a 214 upon separation...
As I currently do and will always do, warn people most of the war stories you hear are pure B.S.
Oh, Okay, so a DD215 is what Kerry has?
first a DD214 and then JimmieCartah authorized him to get a DD215. That's why we want him to sign the SF180 so that we all can see what he's hiding. We think we know and it would be a real corker. Just ask 69-69TonkinGulfYachtClub to fill you in.
WoW!What an eye opener!
One of my little favorites is to simply ask them about their work uniform.
I've had guys tell me they can't remember what division they were in while doing their heroic infantry combat.
Another bust is asking the Spec ops phonies about jump school, that throws them.
As a retiree you would be very good at this, most phonies know about the big items like the armament, but they don't know about the little daily life feel, that any veteran from any branch of the service has plenty of memories of.
Same here. I can spot more phonies since I read the book than before, like people claiming to be POW's in Vietnam. I can just go the back of Stolen Valor and check their name against the official DOD Vietnam POW list and I never spot their names. B.G. Burkett also has published a Vietnam Medal of Honor Recepient list, a Distinguished Service Cross List, Navy Cross List and Air Force Cross List from the Vietnam War in the back of Stolen Valor
Just ask some one claiming to have served in Vietnam how Bien Hoa is pronounced!!! How they answer that can really get your suspicions up.
Stolen Valor also has a website; below is the link:
Burkett has sure busted a lot of phonies over the years. He's also taught D.A.'s throughout the country to ferret out false cases of PTSD claimed as a legal defense by defendants to get out of whatever crime they committed by showing D.A.'s how to obtain the defendents real service records (if they were even in the service to begin with). He has personally taken witness stands throughout the country to testify that defendants claiming PTSD from Vietnam were never in Vietnam to begin with or if they were there, never saw any combat, by producing the defendants real service records or showing the person was never in the service to begin with.
I befriended him and then started asking questions.
He had no photos or records, a brand new jungle green uniform that would not have been issued at the time he claims he was there, virtually no knowledge of Vietnam or the slang we spoke at the time...and he claims that his mission was so hush-hush that it is all still classified.
If it was so classified, I resaoned, why was he blabbing about it at the bar?
I confronted him with my doubts and the guy went ballistic.
Not wanting to get myself in trouble, I refrained from clobbering the guy.
I would like to expose him publically, but I'm unsure how to do it without getting into legal trouble and maybe, just maybe, he might have been there, although I'm 99.9% sure he's a fraud.
I know Special Forces, POWS's and the Seals have association websites that has a "phonies" section. If the guy is claiming to be a former SF, you can try their websites. I don't have their websites links handy, but I do know that you can report phonies on their websites and they can check the guy out or refer your inquiry to someone that will check this indivdual out. You can probably find their websites listed on Google, Yahoo, etc.
You can also go to stolenvalor.com . B.G. Burkett, the author of "Stolen Valor", has a link on how to obtain anyones service records thru a Freedom of Information Act Request. If you haven't read Stolen Valor, I suggest you do so. It is a very good read. Below is the link to the Stolen Valor Website link:
Same here. They never bother to do a simple FOIA request on these individuals, especially those who are getting "late" medals. They could've saved themselves a lot of embarrassment and handwringing if they checked out the individual first. They probably saw some political advantage being around these phonies, like they are friendly towards veterans or something like that.
As far as collecting VA Benefits, that has turned into a cottage industry. That is why, along with their dress and demeanors, that Burkett calls these folks "professional veterans". The VVA and others put out how to pamphlets on getting VA disability benefits, even on what to say to the doctor doing your C&P exam. I think their pamphlet is titled "Your Guide to Tax-Free Living".
As far as PTSD goes, Burkett did point out that he does in fact believe that these medical professionals have a vested interest in getting as many veterans rated for PTSD as possible; i.e. keeping there jobs. Even when they know the guy is a phoney, they won't report them. Even if they did, the VA Inspector Generals Office would probably do nothing anyways, for the same reason as the medical professionals. The VA loses funding if these phoney PTSD patients were ever publicly acknowledged phonies by the VA and stripped of their benefits.
It's the little day to day stuff that me and my fellow retirees would lock-on to really quick, especially when you have "been there and done that". Good method, I'll think I'll use it.
Yep. I was a mechanic. Just did my best to fix broken howitzers. I was never involved with the CIA, in fact to the best of my knowledge I never saw a "spook" in my year in country. Never was a POW, although I did meet one several years later after they were released. Never did met a MOH winner, although I pride myself on being a friend of Ernie Savage, who I think really deserves a MOH.
Heard about them while TDY in Bosnia, while stationed at Ft Meade, but I never have meet one. I think they are a myth... :-)
If you don't know, one of the common explanations for no proof of military exploits is that fire, but the destroyed records have nothing to do with most veterans, also they have largly been rebuilt
That can be a real explanation though - I know because that's exactly what happened to mine. I enlisted in St. Louis, Mo. in July '63, when I tried to get a V.A. loan in '76 I was told that my records had been destroyed in that fire. I finally got approved when they found my record on micro film in Washington, D.C. It just took a lot longer than normal to get approved because the gov. doesn't get in a hurry about such things.
These are the years most effected by the fire.
"World War I:
Nov. 1, 1912 Sept. 7, 1939
World War II:
Dec. 8, 1939 Dec. 31, 1946
Post World War II:
Dec. 1, 1947 - Dec. 31, 1959
Dec. 25, 1947 - Dec. 31, 1963
But in general for most posers claiming heroism in the Army of the late sixties and early seventies, and fake Navy Seals
it doesn't offer cover.
As you point out most of the records have been recovered any way.
Besides in conversation you don't really expect someone to pull out a DD 214, but the way the subject is handled can be revealing.
In 76 there was still confusion surrounding the losses from the fire. (
That one covered me.
My 18th birth day was June 29th, 1963. The A.F. recruitor told me not to bother to register for the draft because my enlistment date was July 8, 1963.
I served 4 years active duty and about 3 months after my discharge I got my draft notice, they told me because I failed to register for the draft that I was being drafted.
Fortunately for me that was before the St. Louis fire and I was still inactive reserve anyway. It was quite a hassle anyway.
I have no sympathy whatsoever for the phony heros.
I'm not a hero but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
The Air Force used to rarely play into the phoney vet world, although among professionals I'll bet there were some fake pilots.
I'll bet that the coverage of the Air Force para rescue elites will lead to many fakes claiming that background.
When I was young and spent a lot of time in bars, I really enjoyed exposing the fakers.