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US 'allowed Zarqawi to escape' (The CIA goes after Bush again)
The Age ^ | May 1 2006 | Chris Evans

Posted on 04/30/2006 3:25:24 PM PDT by jmc1969

The United States deliberately passed up repeated opportunities to kill the head of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Jordanian-born terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, before the March 2003 US-led invasion of that country.

The claim, by former US spy Mike Scheuer, was made in an interview to be shown on ABC TV's Four Corners tonight.

Mr Scheuer was a CIA agent for 22 years - six of them as head of the agency's Osama bin Laden unit - until he resigned in 2004.

Mr Scheuer claims that a July 2002 plan to destroy the camp lapsed because "it was more important not to give the Europeans the impression we were gunslingers".

"Mr Bush had Zarqawi in his sights almost every day for a year before the invasion of Iraq and he didn't shoot because they were wining and dining the French in an effort to get them to assist us in the invasion of Iraq," he told Four Corners.

"Almost every day we sent a package to the White House that had overhead imagery of the house he was staying in. It was a terrorist training camp . . . experimenting with ricin and anthrax . . . any collateral damage there would have been terrorists."

(Excerpt) Read more at theage.com.au ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cia; escape; scheuer; zarqawi
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These CIA boys just don't quit. At this point I almost would like to see the CIA taken apart.
1 posted on 04/30/2006 3:25:28 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

Yeah, I wonder how much this traitor cost George Soros??


2 posted on 04/30/2006 3:27:01 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: jmc1969

We're fighting wars on several fronts--in Iraq, on our borders, and within our own ranks. I have to think the Clinton years were the most damaging this country has ever experienced, and we're only now finding out just how bad they were.


3 posted on 04/30/2006 3:28:02 PM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: jmc1969
Well he let bin Laden go, so why not Zarqawi.

/sarcasm
4 posted on 04/30/2006 3:28:18 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: jmc1969

And how many times was Bubba offered OBL's head and refused.


5 posted on 04/30/2006 3:28:31 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: EagleUSA

Probably not much. Some of these twits work cheap, either to see their names in headlines (as in Joe Wilson) or just because they hate this President, and indeed the country and what it stands for.


6 posted on 04/30/2006 3:29:22 PM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: jmc1969
Mr Scheuer was a CIA agent for 22 years - six of them as head of the agency's Osama bin Laden unit - until he resigned in 2004

Then he know's he's supposed to keep his big yap shut! Someone check his party affiliation and I bet you he's a staunch RAT! Perhaps, even a donor and member of the ACLU.

7 posted on 04/30/2006 3:31:27 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: jmc1969

I'll second that! This treasonous behavior must stop!


8 posted on 04/30/2006 3:31:46 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (No Amnesty for Law Breaking Illegals!)
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To: SandRat

LOL! No doubt about it!


9 posted on 04/30/2006 3:32:18 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (No Amnesty for Law Breaking Illegals!)
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To: jmc1969

File this under: DAMNED IF YOU DO and DAMNED IF YOU DON'T
i.e. cater to the European sensibilities

Mr Scheuer claims that a July 2002 plan to destroy the camp lapsed because "it was more important not to give the Europeans the impression we were gunslingers".

"Mr Bush had Zarqawi in his sights almost every day for a year before the invasion of Iraq and he didn't shoot because they were wining and dining the French in an effort to get them to assist us in the invasion of Iraq," he told Four Corners.


10 posted on 04/30/2006 3:33:05 PM PDT by midway
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To: jmc1969
former US spy Mike Scheuer,

The guy was the head of the Osama Bin Laden desk at the CIA. The worthless incompetent should have been fired on 9/12/01.

11 posted on 04/30/2006 3:33:06 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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"Almost every day we sent a package to the White House that had overhead imagery of the house he was staying in. It was a terrorist training camp . . . experimenting with ricin and anthrax . . . any collateral damage there would have been terrorists."

Soooo.. let me get this straight. Iraq did have AQ people training within its borders with WMD in 2002?

12 posted on 04/30/2006 3:33:18 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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"Mr Bush had Zarqawi in his sights almost every day for a year before the invasion of Iraq and he didn't shoot because they were wining and dining the French in an effort to get them to assist us in the invasion of Iraq," he told Four Corners.

Absolute BS! 110% BS! - The levels some of these guys are going is truly surprising (but then again it is only happening because of a complete anti-GWB agenda driven MSM along with an uninformed public to make such BS even possible).

13 posted on 04/30/2006 3:35:04 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: jmc1969

Did we have any kind of legal authority to perform such a hit before the actual war broke out? Did we know as much about who Zarquawi was before the invasion?


14 posted on 04/30/2006 3:35:19 PM PDT by mfnorman
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To: jmc1969

Mr. Scheuer is flirting with prison time. Just because he is retired, it doesn't absolve him of the security statements he signed.


15 posted on 04/30/2006 3:35:23 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: jmc1969
Almost every day we sent a package to the White House that had overhead imagery of the house he was staying in. It was a terrorist training camp . . . experimenting with ricin and anthrax . . .

Wonder why they did not use this headline?:

Zarqawi Trained to use Chemical Weapons -- Ex CIA Agent Confirms

16 posted on 04/30/2006 3:36:27 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("Cynicism, is an unpleasant way of telling the truth" -- Lillian Hellman)
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To: SandRat
Osama Bin Laden Unit ? Well i see that worked out well for him . These are the same people who allowed Sept. 11 to happen . Methinks this is a head fake . Probably more to come out about this guy. The Goss machine appears to be in full burn.
17 posted on 04/30/2006 3:36:55 PM PDT by fantom
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To: Michael.SF.
That should be "chemical and bio-weapons"--he mentioned anthrax, too.
18 posted on 04/30/2006 3:39:57 PM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: jmc1969
"Almost every day we sent a package to the White House that had overhead imagery of the house he was staying in. It was a terrorist training camp . . . experimenting with ricin and anthrax . . . any collateral damage there would have been terrorists."

Okay, but what does this do to the drumbeat about how there were no terrorists, no al Qaeda, in Iraq, Iraq was not working with terriorists or training them, we actually had nothing to fear from Iraq insofar as the GWOT is concerned?

19 posted on 04/30/2006 3:40:03 PM PDT by Bahbah (God bless Tony Snow)
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To: Michael.SF.
Zarqawi Trained to use Chemical Weapons -- Ex CIA Agent Confirms

Exactly - I remember thinking exactly this when this very topic was discussed back over a year ago now -

20 posted on 04/30/2006 3:44:55 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: jmc1969
Sounds to me like pretty clearcut evidence that there were terrorist training camps in Iraq and Saddam got what was coming to him. It has long been reported that Zarq's presence in Iraq was known before the war (during the prolonged ceasefire I should say).

Bush and his team apparently thought, at the time, they had a fighting chance of winning the French over. In hindsight we know that's a joke. But things would have gone much better if the French, Germans ... joined up.

Is this guy's team the same crew that had us kill Saddam two or three times with bombs based on solid intelligence of which house he was in? Is this the same crew that has dropped bombs on various safe houses across Afghanistan and Pakistan in hopes of picking off bin laden ...
21 posted on 04/30/2006 3:46:27 PM PDT by cdrw (Freedom and responsibility are inseparable)
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To: jmc1969

The most important piece of the article is:

"it was more important not to give the Europeans the impression we were gunslingers"

Again, tying our hands b/c of politics costs America, dearly. Reminds me of the Clinton/UAE Bin Laden reports

The message is very clear - we need to act and the pubic needs to accept bold action rather than accept "can we kill them tomorrow" "leadership."


22 posted on 04/30/2006 3:46:45 PM PDT by Explorer24 (THIS ISN'T A POPULARITY CONTEST, IT'S WAR.)
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To: DevSix

NBC had an article like this also based on leaked info in early 2004, but the DNC sat on it and didn't start using it until early October 2004.


23 posted on 04/30/2006 3:47:23 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: Michael.SF.

Better yet, "Iraq trained Al-Qaida to Use Chemical Weapons -- Ex CIA Agent Confirms".


24 posted on 04/30/2006 3:47:32 PM PDT by RBroadfoot
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To: jmc1969
Headline should read "Ex-CIA Officer confirms Saddam trained terrorists in the use of chemical and biological weapons IN IRAQ just prior to the war, thus confirming WMD in Iraq".

This just in...Kerry chokes on spittle, Hillary's eyes bug out even more and Ted "the whale" Kennedy has slipped on his blubber and can't get up.

25 posted on 04/30/2006 3:48:04 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: jmc1969
The United States deliberately passed up repeated opportunities to kill the head of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Jordanian-born terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, before the March 2003 US-led invasion of that country.

But I thought al-Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before the war.....oops!

Maybe now that the likes of this guy and Plame are out, we can actually get some good intelligence for a change.

26 posted on 04/30/2006 3:48:52 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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Mr Scheuer was a CIA agent for 22 years - six of them as head of the agency's Osama bin Laden unit - until he resigned in 2004....."Mr Bush had Zarqawi in his sights almost every day for a year......

So the man in charge to finding Osama is whining because Bush didn't get Zarqawi? Doesn't seem to me it was Bush that didn't have his eyes focused on the right target! While Scheuer was watching Zarqawi, when he was supposed to get Bin Lauden, Bin Lauden escaped! Yep Bush's fault!

27 posted on 04/30/2006 3:50:39 PM PDT by Bommer
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Damn it all to hell!

We damned well better be "gun slingers"....
We're in a sure as hell kill or be killed scenario...

Fxxx the Europeans if they don't recognize that FACT.
I am a firm believer in killing the enemy by ANY means necessary, BEFORE he can do the same to our forces..

We are at war....not in a damned popularity contest..
The world will fear and respect a winner, and abuse the memory and corpses of losers.

Semper Fi
28 posted on 04/30/2006 3:52:48 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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...because they were wining and dining the French in an effort to get them to assist us in the invasion of Iraq," he told Four Corners.

Lay this one FIRMLY at the feet of Hanoi Kerry DemonRats.

Appeasement may work in love, but never war.

29 posted on 04/30/2006 3:55:40 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: jmc1969
This 'revelation' cuts two ways:

1. It reveals that Al Quaeda terrorists were training in Iraq pre war.

2. That Al Quaeda was working with WMD in Iraq pre war.

3. That the idiocy of calling Old Europe 'allies' fuzzes our brains and prevents us from taking sensible and prudent steps. We should recognize that they are not allies in any meaningful sense of the word.

30 posted on 04/30/2006 4:11:18 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Michael.SF.

But the media has been telling us that no terrorists were in Iraq until after we invaded....remember we caused the terrorism in Iraq.


31 posted on 04/30/2006 4:12:53 PM PDT by Laverne
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"Mr Scheuer was a CIA agent for 22 years - six of them as head of the agency's Osama bin Laden unit - until he resigned in 2004."

Probably still working for them.

32 posted on 04/30/2006 4:13:10 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: JoeSixPack1; All

If we did an attack in 2002 in Iraq before working the UN as long a we did prior to the invasion, the dems and liberal msm would have gone nuts. Also, by waiting until 2003, POTUS was able to get the universal resolution giving Saddam one last chance which he blew.

I also thought there were no terrorists in Iraq before the war. Didn't the dems and the MSM tell us so? ** Sarcasm...

This is a weak pushback by the rogue agesnts that are facing round up in the very near future and arrest on a slew of charges that are going to include conspiracy. Liberal MSM and these idiots are not very smart to keep poking POTUS in the chest because he is going to smack them hard. This is the last POTUS anyone should think would not have the balls to make such a move against, rogue CIA, journos, dem seantors and congressmen.

Okay idiots, keep playing with that stick of dynamite.


33 posted on 04/30/2006 4:15:59 PM PDT by jrooney (CIA traitors)
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To: jmc1969
Mr Scheuer was a CIA agent for 22 years - six of them as head of the agency's Osama bin Laden unit - until he resigned in 2004

Thanks for 9-11, you incompetent twit.

34 posted on 04/30/2006 4:21:50 PM PDT by bad company (Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius)
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To: ModelBreaker

Check the Washington Times article, there is no mention of the Chemical and Biological weapons.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20060430-060125-9310r.htm


35 posted on 04/30/2006 4:24:45 PM PDT by jmc1969
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But this story does shoot holes in the leftist lie that there were no terrorists in Iraq until we created them.

This is not new news. I heard this over a year ago.

Also, the people complaining about this are the same ones who said we had no right to attack Iraq. If we didn't, why do they think we had the right to attack Iraq to kill Zarqawi?


36 posted on 04/30/2006 4:28:59 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You are using logic, they aren't.


37 posted on 04/30/2006 4:29:44 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969
These CIA boys just don't quit. At this point I almost would like to see the CIA taken apart.
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Strangely enough its the left that comes across poorly here. It was the left, and the Europeans that had to be "sold" on the Iraq war. This testimony shows the President, ham strung by the need to placate the anti-war left on the Iraq issue and therefore he couldn't risk looking too eager for a Kill, especially since the "kill" would have occurred in Iraq. It shows how hard the Pres. worked to enlist the europeans in the coalition.
38 posted on 04/30/2006 4:34:19 PM PDT by photodawg
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Mike Scheuer & Richard Clarke, what a pair of back-door sheep-herders!
39 posted on 04/30/2006 4:35:14 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Soooo.. let me get this straight. Iraq did have AQ people training within its borders with WMD in 2002?
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Excellent observation. Where was this guy when the Dems were yelling, Bush lied, people died?
40 posted on 04/30/2006 4:37:03 PM PDT by photodawg
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Soooo.. let me get this straight. Iraq did have AQ people training within its borders with WMD in 2002?

The article says:

He told Four Corners that during 2002, the Bush Administration received detailed intelligence about Zarqawi's training camp in Iraqi Kurdistan.

If Zarqawi's camp was in Iraqi Kurdistan, he was out of Saddam's reach. Weren't the Kurds supposed to be our allies in Iraq, living pretty much autonomously under our protection?

41 posted on 04/30/2006 4:37:48 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: jmc1969

From Wikipedia:
Michael Scheuer is a 22-year CIA veteran. He served as the Chief of the bin Laden Unit at the Counterterrorist Center from 1996 to 1999. He resigned from the CIA in 2004. He is currently a News Analyst for CBS News as well as a Terrorism Analyst for the Jamestown Foundation's "Global Terrorism Analysis."

Scheuer is the anonymous author responsible for Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror and the earlier anonymous work Through Our Enemies' Eyes: Osama bin Laden, Radical Islam, and the Future of America. [2]

Although Scheuer was an overt member of the CIA, not much is known about his personal history. Scheuer currently makes radio and television appearances. He also participates in conferences on terrorism and national security issues, such as the New America Foundation's December 2004 conference, "Al Qaeda 2.0: Transnational Terrorism After 9/11."


42 posted on 04/30/2006 4:40:36 PM PDT by Garvin (Oxymoron? Slick Willy signed my Honorable Discharge)
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To: jmc1969
"Mr Bush had Zarqawi in his sights almost every day for a year before the invasion of Iraq and he didn't shoot because they were wining and dining the French in an effort to get them to assist us in the invasion of Iraq," he told Four Corners.

A naked case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. The press sucks.

43 posted on 04/30/2006 4:43:17 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: lucysmom

Zarqawi moved all around Iraq in 2002 including going to Baghdad and Anbar to prepare the ground for a post war insurgency. He brought in fighters from all across the Arab world for that task. There was no way he could have done this without Saddam's security services letting him.


44 posted on 04/30/2006 4:44:59 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: Garvin

That's quite a resume.


45 posted on 04/30/2006 4:46:22 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: river rat
We are at war....not in a damned popularity contest..
The world will fear and respect a winner, and abuse the memory and corpses of losers.


Well said.

The Japanese feared and respected our strength after 1945 and it turned out well in the long run. Allowing an Iraqi Constitution that incorporates Islam in it, will maintain and legitimize the animosity that moslems have towards US.

I hope the Kurds break away and form a secular country or they will be slaughtered. Heck, they may get crushed anyway with the hard line moslems in Turkey in control now.
46 posted on 04/30/2006 4:55:03 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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To: jmc1969; All

In his book, Anonymous, Mr. Scheur, like the true liberal he is, also blames Bush for not working hard enough to get the cooperation of "our allies" before going into Iraq.

As a typical lefty, he can take both sides of an argument and make you damned if you do and damned if you don't - no matter which side you take.

I think he must have left the CIA when he knew the incompetent Tenant was on his way out and Porter Goss was going to be Bush's pick.


47 posted on 04/30/2006 5:02:49 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: lucysmom
If Zarqawi's camp was in Iraqi Kurdistan, he was out of Saddam's reach. Weren't the Kurds supposed to be our allies in Iraq, living pretty much autonomously under our protection?

If you consider CAP fighter overflights a couple times a week "protection". Our aircraft only fired back when painted or fired upon by Saddam's forces. The Kurds kept to themselves to avoid being slaughtered.

48 posted on 04/30/2006 5:14:09 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: jmc1969
Mr Scheuer was a CIA agent for 22 years - six of them as head of the agency's Osama bin Laden unit

So, him and his Clintonistas didn't get Osama and he was the head of the Osama unit. Tells me all I need to know about this guy.

49 posted on 04/30/2006 5:29:23 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: jmc1969
Well. The point this agent made backs up what many of us have been screaming about. We knew Zman had operational terrorist camps in Iraq PRIOR to the invasion. And he really did not say anything new, in essence. The 101 Airborne was dropped into the Mosul region to quickly take out those terrorist, but just missed then as they all ran for the northern mountain ranges, to escape into northern Kurdistain.
Of course his political agenda is transparent. But in his words he verifies Saddam supported terroist and even let them work on wmd stuff in his country.
50 posted on 04/30/2006 5:33:44 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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