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Posted on 04/30/2006 5:01:22 PM PDT by DBeers
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This one should have the pro-homo cheerleaders and the God-haters both up in arms. Heh-heh, they deserve each other!
It's an okay testimony but he does blame the church while he excuses himself. He couldn't help it. He was a victim. It would be infinitely more powerful if he simply accepted all the blame for his own sinful heart, desires, and deeds. No one else is to blame. The church is supposed to be innocent on these matters. I think it is tragic how knowlegable everyone is about the gory details of this particular sin. Just accept the blame, repent and go on. Stop expecting Christians to be experts on the ins and outs of perversity. Being shocked and appalled is merely a sign of their own innocence. That's a good thing really. Or it used to be.
Thanks for posting this article.
Additional note: Have you noticed that "homosexual agenda" doesn't seem to be in the keyword thingie lately? Have you figured out how it gets there? How many searches are done? How many times people type it in as a keyword?
I was thinking the same thing, but you do have to remember who is writing the article. Reporters are manipulative low-lifes. This guy was probably interviewed and his story parsed together to make it seem like he is someone he is not.
It seems to me that this man has humbled himself before a Holy God.
The topic is potentially a dual edged lightning rod.
I have not consciously made an effort to determine definitively the method. I assume that a formulaic method is employed with several factors including article topic(s), article popularity (# of posts & page imprints), article date, etcetera...
What everyone forgets in this age of no guilt (blame your mother) is that no matter what your circumstances, you are 100% to blame for your own choices and sins. It's our fallen nature that loves to blame others.
Well we certainly shouldn't dismiss his story. He was molested by a homosexual (recruited) and lived that life until he turned to Christ.
How many homosexuals were molested as children by other homosexuals? I would really like to see a study done on that.
LJ, DBeers, Do you know of a study done on this?
I completely sympathize with his abuse story. But it is vital for victims to understand that if and when they sin, they are 100% guilty and responsible regardless of their past. God won't be handing out get-out-of-sin-free cards to anyone (aside from those who with repentant faith, confess Jesus as Savior and Lord of their life). Everyone has a story about how they were wronged by others because we live in a world packed full of sinners. Accept the blame for your own sins. That's the only right response.
I am sure that the APA at one time had and or commissioned such research PRIOR to blindly embracing all things homosexual; however, I myself can not recall anything...
Scripter might be able to reference something though.
I will put looking for any studies on this on my to do list and ping you should I find anything.
Let me add that I think the man who molested him should be prosecuted if it is not too late. If it is, he should be exposed by name so that he cannot victimize anyone else. Nothing makes me more angry than the sexual abuse of children. But it doesn't change the truth about this guy's own sinful heart, lusts, deeds, etc., any more than a child who is beaten has an excuse to grow up and to beat his own offspring. Everyone has a story. It's no excuse. You sin because you are a sinner, not because you were sinned against.
Your post reminds me of something:
In addition it's now against the law for psychiatrists to try to 'treat' a homosexual who wants to change because it is "not" abnormal.
I wonder if they can touch the churches tho. This would be, maybe should be, something the churches should be doing.
Perhaps that's precisely what happened with this guy. It just gets a little lost with some of the stuff about what churches should and shouldn't know about homosexuality, especially since the m.o. of gay activists is to blame Christians for their troubles. Being innocent about sin should be a good thing.
Proverbs 16:2 All a man's ways seem innocent to him, but motives are weighed by the LORD.
Proverbs 17:15 Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent the LORD detests them both.
Romans 16:19 Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I am full of joy over you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil.
I disagree with the comment simply because a pastor is supposed to lead and instruct his flock in the way God expects us to act. A church who refuses to discuss certain topics such as homosexuality and dating by shoving them on the shelf isn't warning his flock of the dangers. In all of the churches I have ever been to I have only heard one pastor who hit the nail on the head about the issue of dating. I have been in more churches than I could count as my family has moved every few years for the last 22 years. The one pastor I speak of that discussed dating made the following comment: "Today's pastors are not willing to discuss 'controversial' topics because they are afraid that it will create discord among their congregations. BUT, these are the issues that are the most important because God cares about our actions. It is time now for pastors to bring these issues into the open and speak loudly for Jesus and all that he stands for!"
Now, the argument for dating is a more sensitive issue because there is no Biblical mandate prohibiting it. However, our bodies are to be the Lord's temple and we are supposed to be holy and blameless before him. The main point of all this is that there IS a Biblical mandate against homosexuality!! Pastors should be preaching on this and instead they are completely embracing it!! There is something wrong with this! Yes, we are supposed to accept people as they are, as God accepts us. BUT, God expects us to grow and change in him and become molded in His image. What did God tell Mary Magdalene? He told her to go and sin no more. Therefore we shouldn't be engaging in these practices and we should be making every effort to gently and yet adamantly instruct those who are in sin!!! Churches that openly embrace and encourage an "alternate" lifestyle are not are the right road and neither are churches that are neutral on these issues. Churches and pastors need to get back on track with God and speak his truth, not shove it on the shelf as has been done for years. Now, I do absolutely agree that each individual is responsible for their own actions and we will all one day answer toGod for every sin we have committed. This man isn't vindicated of his sin because he was a "victim". However, I think he made the point that he was to blame; it isn't fair to say that he blame the church while he excuses himself.
Granted it wasn't as clear as it could have been, but it was still there. Just because you admit your own blame doesn't mean you don't speak out against the fault of the church or the man who molested him. Stop expecting Christians to be experts on the ins and outs of perversity.
I don't completely disagree with the statement, however, I will say that by reading their Bibles Christians should know the boundaries of pervisity and therefore by willing to discuss issues and not allow it in the church and openly reject these pervisities. There are now churches that openly embrace gays and even some that are completely made up of gays.
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
I believe the Bible speaks plainly about leading others into sin.
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