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To: DBeers

It's an okay testimony but he does blame the church while he excuses himself. He couldn't help it. He was a victim. It would be infinitely more powerful if he simply accepted all the blame for his own sinful heart, desires, and deeds. No one else is to blame. The church is supposed to be innocent on these matters. I think it is tragic how knowlegable everyone is about the gory details of this particular sin. Just accept the blame, repent and go on. Stop expecting Christians to be experts on the ins and outs of perversity. Being shocked and appalled is merely a sign of their own innocence. That's a good thing really. Or it used to be.


4 posted on 04/30/2006 5:17:51 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I was thinking the same thing, but you do have to remember who is writing the article. Reporters are manipulative low-lifes. This guy was probably interviewed and his story parsed together to make it seem like he is someone he is not.

It seems to me that this man has humbled himself before a Holy God.


6 posted on 04/30/2006 5:24:17 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
The church is supposed to be innocent on these matters.

I disagree with the comment simply because a pastor is supposed to lead and instruct his flock in the way God expects us to act. A church who refuses to discuss certain topics such as homosexuality and dating by shoving them on the shelf isn't warning his flock of the dangers. In all of the churches I have ever been to I have only heard one pastor who hit the nail on the head about the issue of dating. I have been in more churches than I could count as my family has moved every few years for the last 22 years. The one pastor I speak of that discussed dating made the following comment: "Today's pastors are not willing to discuss 'controversial' topics because they are afraid that it will create discord among their congregations. BUT, these are the issues that are the most important because God cares about our actions. It is time now for pastors to bring these issues into the open and speak loudly for Jesus and all that he stands for!"

Now, the argument for dating is a more sensitive issue because there is no Biblical mandate prohibiting it. However, our bodies are to be the Lord's temple and we are supposed to be holy and blameless before him. The main point of all this is that there IS a Biblical mandate against homosexuality!! Pastors should be preaching on this and instead they are completely embracing it!! There is something wrong with this! Yes, we are supposed to accept people as they are, as God accepts us. BUT, God expects us to grow and change in him and become molded in His image. What did God tell Mary Magdalene? He told her to go and sin no more. Therefore we shouldn't be engaging in these practices and we should be making every effort to gently and yet adamantly instruct those who are in sin!!! Churches that openly embrace and encourage an "alternate" lifestyle are not are the right road and neither are churches that are neutral on these issues. Churches and pastors need to get back on track with God and speak his truth, not shove it on the shelf as has been done for years. Now, I do absolutely agree that each individual is responsible for their own actions and we will all one day answer toGod for every sin we have committed. This man isn't vindicated of his sin because he was a "victim". However, I think he made the point that he was to blame; it isn't fair to say that he blame the church while he excuses himself.

Granted it wasn't as clear as it could have been, but it was still there. Just because you admit your own blame doesn't mean you don't speak out against the fault of the church or the man who molested him. Stop expecting Christians to be experts on the ins and outs of perversity.

I don't completely disagree with the statement, however, I will say that by reading their Bibles Christians should know the boundaries of pervisity and therefore by willing to discuss issues and not allow it in the church and openly reject these pervisities. There are now churches that openly embrace gays and even some that are completely made up of gays.

19 posted on 04/30/2006 6:46:43 PM PDT by Seņor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I don't hear any blame on the church for his choices. It is a fact though, that bible-believing churches have not, nor do they still, help people deal with this particular sin. It's not enough for churches to acknowlege sin--which of course we must--but we need to help people fight certain sinful patterns in their own lives; this is the process called Christian maturity or sanctification.

Just as many churches sponsor AA or do their own version of it, so too churches need to help people out of sexual sinful habits. One of the main principles of AA is to acknowlege individual responsibilty and not blame anyone else--that doesn't mean churches shouldn't help AA-type programs--even though alcaholism is an individual problem, based on a person's own bad choices.

Divorce in the church is an indicator that MANY active evangelical, born-again, bible-believing Christians have sexual/relationship problems (yes, involving their individual sinful habits) which the Church, as the people of God, need to help them mature out of....and of course that includes repentance, from start to end.

Individual responsibility for sin, AND Church bodies helping people to overcome such sins, are not mutually exclusive.

The homosexual agenda probably wouldn't be nearly so powerful had Churches been doing what they are supposed to do--glorifying God by helping people repent and grow up in spiritual maturity.


43 posted on 05/01/2006 7:28:39 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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