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Vigilantes behind immigration raids?[Austin, Texas]
Austin American-Statesman ^ | April 29, 2006 | Juan Castillo

Posted on 05/01/2006 4:42:08 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch

As federal officials keep silent on rumors, Austin officials question whether groups impersonating officers are terrorizing residents.

With widespread reports of immigration raids in Austin multiplying and federal officials refusing to say whether the rumors are true, city and immigrant rights leaders Friday raised the possibility that vigilantes might be impersonating law enforcement officers and terrorizing immigrants and citizens.

At a City Hall news conference, they called on government officials to be open about information that might help explain the numerous raid reports sweeping Austin and the region.

"I think everyone just wants answers," Council Member Raul Alvarez said. "If it isn't the government doing it, who's to say it's not some other group that's doing this and is potentially violating the rights of our citizens?"

But a spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said Friday that the agency remained steadfast in its position of never commenting on its operations as a consideration of officer and public safety.

"That's just policy," Nina Pruneda said.

A written statement from the agency said individuals have the right to ask for identification if approached by a law enforcement officer and should call 911 and ask for police assistance if they are suspicious.

"To report suspicious activity to ICE, call 1-866-DHS-2ICE," the statement said.

Austin police, meanwhile, said they had not heard of reports that vigilantes might be impersonating officers.

The immigrant rights leaders who joined Alvarez and former Mayor Gus Garcia at Friday's news conference said continued reports led them to raise the possibility that vigilantes are behind the raids.

The leaders said they continued to field numerous firsthand accounts from sources that they deem credible about immigration raids at construction sites, store parking lots and in neighborhoods.

The reports have created a climate of fear among illegal immigrants who fear being arrested and separated from their families and from their children who are U.S. citizens.

"I can't have that many accounts of raids from very reliable people and then be told that nothing is happening," said the Rev. Lydia Hernandez of Manos de Cristo in Austin, which provides dental care, clothing and food to the poor.

Hernandez said some reports have described immigration agents knocking on apartment doors and taking people away.

"The question is, who's doing it," Garcia said. "We want to know who's doing it, where are they doing it, so that we can address those concerns that people have."

Garcia urged people to call police if they think that their rights are being violated.

Citizens are getting caught up in the raids, Alvarez said, relating how one citizen told of agents in an unmarked van who asked workers at a construction site for two forms of identification. Six were unable to produce IDs and were taken away, he said.

On Tuesday, while discounting the reports of raids as unfounded rumors, Mexican Consul General Jorge Guajardo also called on U.S. authorities and his office in Austin to work "to the extent possible to let the people know that these are not taking place."

Guajardo said the reports had led to severe unintended consequences. In addition to not going to work and school, some immigrants were neglecting medical care and even risking their children's health, he said.

Hernandez said many students stopped coming to her agency's English as a second language classes and others were forgoing trips there for food, clothing and other basic needs.

jcastillo@statesman.com; 445-3635


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; immigrantlist; vigilantes
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To: SwinneySwitch

I was asking this very question last week on the Texas board. Many of my Hispanic and Asian customers were very concerned about these rumors. If 'vigilantes' were taking people away, where were they taking them to and for what reason? Paranoia will destroy ya!


21 posted on 05/01/2006 5:13:01 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: Publius6961

Then we agree on this aspect at least : )


22 posted on 05/01/2006 5:14:52 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: kittymyrib
These "eye witness reports" are from people who also have a cousin (it's always "a cousin") who has seen a chupacabra.

LOL! Someone lives near the border . . .
23 posted on 05/01/2006 5:15:31 AM PDT by horse_doc
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To: kittymyrib
These "eye witness reports" are from people who also have a cousin (it's always "a cousin") who has seen a chupacabra.

LOL! Someone lives near the border . . .
24 posted on 05/01/2006 5:15:35 AM PDT by horse_doc
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To: clawrence3
Shooting at them would do it.

Well, since I am both a legal immigrant, and a naturalized citizen, I am still puzzled as to where I need to be (other than in the barrio) or to go to be shot at...

I feel neglected...

25 posted on 05/01/2006 5:19:14 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: clawrence3

Impersonating law enforcement officers and terrorizing immigrants and citizens is against the law too.


They're rumors!


26 posted on 05/01/2006 5:20:15 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: SwinneySwitch
This is just an intermediary step by the MSM to eventually demonize the minutemen as cannibalistic satanists terrorizing the border in the dark of night seeking to rip babies out of the arms of young mothers and feast upon their flesh.
27 posted on 05/01/2006 5:21:09 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("truth is not invalidated by suppression"--nicmarlo)
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To: Publius6961

How about you current workplace - would that terrorize you?


28 posted on 05/01/2006 5:21:18 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: wolfcreek

Yes, I know we are discussing "rumors" but some here at FR wish they weren't just "rumors" ; )


29 posted on 05/01/2006 5:22:29 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Rebelbase

LOL - you realize the Minuteman Project is not even mentioned in the article, right?


30 posted on 05/01/2006 5:23:32 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

Are the laws being enforced right now?

Answer me that and then I will tell you whether or not I support that or not.

As far as I can see however, US Laws are not being enforced. You can either enforce them all or enforce none.

There is no halfway point.


31 posted on 05/01/2006 5:23:34 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: All

The Austin Unamerican Spaceman is a rag...


32 posted on 05/01/2006 5:24:55 AM PDT by Jonx6
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To: kittymyrib
...(it's always "a cousin") who has seen a chupacabra.

** snort **... 'illegal-alien abduction'.

33 posted on 05/01/2006 5:25:03 AM PDT by johnny7 (“Nah, I ain’t Jewish, I just don’t dig on swine, that’s all.”)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

They are being enforced as much as murder laws are - millions are deported ever year - unfortunately, we can't catch everyone and even murderers get away. Care to answer the question now? And keep in mind that advocating violence in not allowed on FR.


34 posted on 05/01/2006 5:25:53 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
How about you current workplace - would that terrorize you?

I can't imagine how...
But you raise a good point. If there are any illegals working there who are absent today, they eventually might feel "singled out" or "terrorized", as their personal outrage and "rights" level demand...

35 posted on 05/01/2006 5:28:57 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: horse_doc; kittymyrib

In "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" it was Simone's best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend who heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors ; )


36 posted on 05/01/2006 5:29:33 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Publius6961

I think my initial post was terrorists shooting up your workplace - that wouldn't concern you whatsoever?


37 posted on 05/01/2006 5:31:02 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

Really?

They are being enforced as much as murder laws are?

Where is the proof of that? Where is the proof that these people (illegal immigrants of any nationality) are being deported when they are caught?

If they were, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

There is a pick and choose method of deportation. You know that and I know that. So until the Government begins to round them up and deport them. Fine the piss out of the employers that hire them (en masse), jail repeat offenders and generally treat this situation like they would a "hate crime", then you're damned right I would support this.

Someone has to do it, and if it puts enough fear into Illegals to make them go home and come back LEGALLY, then I'm all for it. Be it ICE, Local Law Enforcement or Citizens of this country finally fed up with being told their Rights as Citzens don't matter because "We need people to do jobs Americans won't do".

Whatever it takes


38 posted on 05/01/2006 5:32:40 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: clawrence3
They are being enforced as much as murder laws are - millions are deported ever year -

Lawrence, Lawrence... you had me fooled until you made this thoroughly asinine assertion. millions are deported every year ?

Have a nice day.

39 posted on 05/01/2006 5:32:57 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

I will get you the stats - in the meantime, you said you would answer my first question to you.


40 posted on 05/01/2006 5:35:18 AM PDT by clawrence3
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