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L.A. CARDINAL (MAHONEY) TO JOIN (ILLEGAL) IMMIGRATION MARCH IN BARRI0
The Houston Chronicle ^ | 1 May 2006 | Michael Martinez

Posted on 05/01/2006 4:59:09 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

LOS ANGELES - That Cardinal Roger Mahony attended grammar school here, in the modest St. Charles Borromeo parish more than a half-century ago, was a fact lost on many parishioners on a recent Sunday. But little else is forgotten about the neighborhood-kid-done-good whose national profile has been on the rise, largely for his willingness to take on controversy, especially his stand on illegal immigration. Mahony, 70, who leads the nation's largest Roman Catholic archdiocese, is scheduled to participate in today's planned mass protests in Los Angeles, except not the one to be held downtown.

Rather, after celebrating noon Mass at Los Angeles' Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels today, Mahony will march in a barrio. Mahony has often been said to have a common touch among Latino immigrants. When newly ordained in the 1960s, Mahony sought a remote post in rural Fresno, Calif., where he worked with immigrant farm laborers and their then-leader, Cesar Chavez.


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This whole thing seems to be going from bad to worse. With actions like that, it will end up being a religious conflict. I can not believe that these leaders can not see what they are about to create. Oh well, men make decisions and then we all have to live with them. We will either stop this or have to come catholic. I'd rather die.
1 posted on 05/01/2006 4:59:14 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Well, the church has to fill the collection plates somehow.


2 posted on 05/01/2006 5:00:18 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Ah, yes. Cardinal Mahoney, Managing Partner, Roman Catholic Church Franchise.

This franchise held by our American Catholic Church bishops needs to be revoked. Like American politicians, these bishops need reinstallation.

3 posted on 05/01/2006 5:07:30 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/AidAbetUnlawfulSec8USC1324.html

AIDING AND ABETTING ILLEGAL ALIENS:


Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.



4 posted on 05/01/2006 5:08:38 AM PDT by stopem (To allow a bunch of third world country nationals to divide Americans is unconscionable!)
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To: mewzilla

Exactly. This is all about coins in the plate and fannies in the pews. The Catholic Church is looking at the issue from a strictly business perspective and that's shameful.


5 posted on 05/01/2006 5:09:58 AM PDT by RedRover
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
So Mahoney is in favor of illegal aliens, pedophile priests, and not cooperating with search warrants of papers on those priests. And he probably wonders why so many people have drifted away from his church.
6 posted on 05/01/2006 5:13:26 AM PDT by pikachu (For every action there is an equal and opposite government program)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The Catholic church may not have borders but countries do.

What a jerk.


7 posted on 05/01/2006 5:14:24 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
. . . the neighborhood-kid-done-good

That's the funniest thing I've read all day.
8 posted on 05/01/2006 5:40:59 AM PDT by stentorian conservative
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To: stopem

Good post.


9 posted on 05/01/2006 5:41:12 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Perhaps its time for Cardinal Mahoney to joing the illegals in Mexico?


10 posted on 05/01/2006 5:46:20 AM PDT by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: Stashiu

joing=join

Hmm, maybe I coined a new word?


11 posted on 05/01/2006 5:47:11 AM PDT by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

"Cardinal Roger Mahony"

I wish this guy's butt was also kicked out of the country permanently for aiding and abetting. Let him take confessionals in Chiapas.


12 posted on 05/01/2006 5:53:28 AM PDT by reelfoot
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To: reelfoot
Let him take confessionals in Chiapas.

ROFL. You're evil.

13 posted on 05/01/2006 5:56:28 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

"who leads the nation's largest Roman Catholic archdiocese, is scheduled to participate in today's planned mass protests in Los Angeles, except not the one to be held downtown."

It's time to reconsider the tax exempt status of any religious organization that doesn't follow the rule of the law including immigration law. Let the Catholic Church pay taxes like law abiding people and businesses.


14 posted on 05/01/2006 6:00:24 AM PDT by politicalwit (Freedom doesn't mean a Free Pass.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I think most Catholics disagree and disapprove of what Mahoney and some others are doing. I also know that what the Bishops say is NOT binding on us as Catholics and only "ex cathedra" pronouncements from the Pope can compel obedience. Mahoney is taking a political stance here - no matter how he tries to cloak it in some kind of moral ledgermain - and Catholics can, and I believe will, reject it.


16 posted on 05/01/2006 6:23:16 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: stopem

Ah, he's just trolling for some brown sugar.


17 posted on 05/01/2006 6:25:08 AM PDT by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name! Islam, the end time Beast-the harlot of Babylon.)
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To: pikachu

Mahoney is as close to a heretic as we have in the Catholic Church.
To say that Mahoney and his ilk are the reason why people are leaving the Catholic Church, is like saying that Olympia Snow is the reason why people are leaving the GOP.

People may be leaving because they are subjected to Mahoney's circus, but in all truth, in those places where the Bishops stick to the true teachings of the church, they are growing by leaps and bounds.


18 posted on 05/01/2006 6:25:12 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Oh Oh... hide the children... :)

Such an outrage! so holy in his position (the cardinal)...

19 posted on 05/01/2006 6:25:28 AM PDT by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: RedRover; Salvation; Coleus; NYer; SoothingDave; cyborg; onyx; fortunecookie; ArrogantBustard; ...
The Catholic Church is looking at the issue from a strictly business perspective and that's shameful.

You've made the same mistake the anti-Catholic bigots make.

Mahony's position is not the official policy of the Catholic Church. Mahony is in error on Catholic immigration policy, which acknowledges that immigration laws must be respected.

20 posted on 05/01/2006 6:27:14 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: stopem

ALL DAY PING. Aiding and abetting illegal.


21 posted on 05/01/2006 6:31:22 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
This whole thing seems to be going from bad to worse. With actions like that, it will end up being a religious conflict.

You despise Roman Catholics, so anything the Catholic Church does is a "religious conflict" to you.

22 posted on 05/01/2006 6:33:04 AM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: RedRover
The Catholic Church is looking at the issue from a strictly business perspective and that's shameful.

Illegal aliens rarely go to Mass.

23 posted on 05/01/2006 6:34:26 AM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: Lewite
Ah, he's just trolling for some brown sugar.

The mandatory, knuckle-dragger post.

24 posted on 05/01/2006 6:35:36 AM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Great strategy. Deflect attention from his own sins.


25 posted on 05/01/2006 6:36:03 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: mewzilla

"Well, the church has to fill the collection plates somehow."

I've seen this type of comment often here at Freep.
It doesn't make sense.
These illegals were already catholic. Whatever Mahoney is doing has nothing to do with trying to attact them to the Church. He really does believe in this cause...but it is his personal opinion. The members of the Church are split on this just like the members of the political parties are split on it...just like many Americans are split on it.


26 posted on 05/01/2006 6:39:24 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

What an unlikely combination! Catholic clergy and communists!!


27 posted on 05/01/2006 6:42:07 AM PDT by olezip
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To: olezip

"What an unlikely combination! Catholic clergy and communists!!"

Read much about the life of John Paul II?


28 posted on 05/01/2006 6:43:12 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Cardinal Roger Mahony

Just another of V.I.Lenin's "Useful Idiots" on the Wide road to destruction.









b'shem Y'shua
29 posted on 05/01/2006 6:43:30 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings)
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We will either stop this or have to come catholic. I'd rather die.

Are you saying what I think you're saying?

Let me tell you one thing. Mahoney is WRONG, and he does not speak for the Church.

30 posted on 05/01/2006 6:44:39 AM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: XeniaSt
Just another of V.I.Lenin's "Useful Idiots" on the Wide road to destruction.

Yours and Mia T's posts are so off-the-wall that they leave one grasping for some kind of response.

31 posted on 05/01/2006 6:45:17 AM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: onyx
Are you saying what I think you're saying?

I was wondering the same thing, but it's such a beautiful day, I didn't really want to go there.

32 posted on 05/01/2006 6:46:17 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski

This beautiful day has the makings of turning ugly. I haven't turned on the tv. Yet.


33 posted on 05/01/2006 6:59:38 AM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: sinkspur; Petronski

I went to Mass this morning. NOT one word about Commie day and the illegal immigrants.


34 posted on 05/01/2006 7:01:16 AM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: sinkspur
Clearly Roger Mahoney does not believe in the Holy Word of G-d: Y'shua.
Ro. 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities,
for there is no authority except that which God has
established. The authorities that exist have been established
by God.

Ro. 13:2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling
against what God has instituted, and those who do so will
bring judgment on themselves.

Ro. 13:3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those
who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one
in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.

Y'shua's kingdom is not of this world.

b'shem Y'shua

35 posted on 05/01/2006 7:01:24 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings)
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To: Emmett McCarthy
only "ex cathedra" pronouncements from the Pope can compel obedience.

You don't agree with Lumen Gentium then:

"This loyal submission of the will and intellect must be given, in a special way, to the authentic teaching authority [magisterium] of the Roman Pontiff, even when he does not speak ex cathedra in such wise, indeed, that his supreme teaching authority be acknowledged with respect, and that one sincerely adhere to decisions made by him, conformably with his manifest mind and intention, which is made known principally either (1) by the character of the documents in question, or (2) by the frequency with which a certain doctrine is proposed, or (3) by the manner in which the doctrine is formulated."
36 posted on 05/01/2006 7:02:03 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: Petronski

2241


37 posted on 05/01/2006 7:03:25 AM PDT by Brytani (Someone stole my tagline - reward for its return!!!)
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To: armydoc

"You don't agree with Lumen Gentium then: "

The passage you provided deals with the Pope and the Magisterium - of which Mahoney is A PART - but Mahoney does not fully represent the Magisterium - nor does he alone decide the teaching.
Mahoney is not representing Church teaching here...he is just acting like a typical liberal....which he is.
The Church has a wide spectrum of bishops and cardinals in the Magisterium...many of whom would disagree with Mahoney.


38 posted on 05/01/2006 7:05:29 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: All

Does anyone happen to have a link to the flyer that lists the organizers of today's boycott?


39 posted on 05/01/2006 7:16:48 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Going armed to the terror of the public.)
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To: armydoc

I may be off base on the various pronouncements from the Pope, and am willing to reconsider that part over time, but I still don't think I'm required to adhere to the POLITICAL pronouncements of a Bishop.


40 posted on 05/01/2006 7:28:43 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: mewzilla

"Well, the church has to fill the collection plates somehow"

You got it.


41 posted on 05/01/2006 7:45:26 AM PDT by VOATNOW1
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To: Scotswife

Not really. I do know that John Paul II grew up in a communist country. He survived a communist regime. And that Russian Communists tried to assassinate him. Mahoney has knowingly sided with communists and breached the Church/State boundary. ...very different relationships IMHO.


42 posted on 05/01/2006 7:56:14 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Petronski

>>Mahony's position is not the official policy of the Catholic Church. Mahony is in error on Catholic immigration policy, which acknowledges that immigration laws must be respected.<<

Bears repeating.


43 posted on 05/01/2006 8:22:09 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: mewzilla
I am a practicing Catholic who lives in Los Angeles. I detest Cardinal Mahony and I know many other Catholics feel that way, too. I understand why you (and others) think Mahony is motivated to secure Mexicans for the Catholic Church in LA, but the reality is even worse: Mahony isn't doing this for the sake of the Church; he's doing this for the sake of the spotlight. He doesn't care about the Catholic Church except insofar as it provides him with a means to be the center of attention.
44 posted on 05/01/2006 8:25:09 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: Emmett McCarthy; Scotswife

I was challenging EM's statement that non-Ex Cathedra papal pronouncements need not be obeyed.


45 posted on 05/01/2006 8:26:17 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: armydoc
One, Mahony is not the Pope. Two, the immigration issue is not a religious one, so Mahony's opinion is not binding to any extent on Catholics.
46 posted on 05/01/2006 8:26:58 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Cardinal Mahoney's Legacy

Cardinal Roger M. Mahony, rebuffed Monday by the U.S. Supreme Court in his request to keep two accused priests' personnel files private, now must turn those documents over to a grand jury and face the growing possibility that he may soon be forced to relinquish more confidential church records involving alleged sexual abuse.

Attorneys for the Los Angeles archbishop had argued that all communication between a bishop and his priests — including that about allegations of sexual abuse and resulting investigations — was protected under the 1st Amendment. In declining to hear his case, the Supreme Court effectively let stand a California appellate court decision that rejected the constitutional claim.

47 posted on 05/01/2006 5:52:13 PM PDT by Fred
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To: sinkspur
You despise Roman Catholics, so anything the Catholic Church does is a "religious conflict" to you.

You have spouted off about one too many times. This has nothing to do with anti-catholicism. It has to do with truth vs. error. When someone is doing something in error, it can't be defended. You or any of your catholic friends can NOT get away with actions just because you're catholic. Anyway, this entire mess is about to blow up. For that reason, I'm being real careful about my responses. A little less talk and a lot more action.

48 posted on 05/01/2006 8:24:28 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Job security for Cardinal Mahoney. He knows most of them are catholics, and wants to keep his job til he is no longer.


49 posted on 05/01/2006 8:30:58 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

This is going to give some Catholics reason to leave the church IMO.


50 posted on 05/01/2006 8:31:43 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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