Skip to comments.L.A. CARDINAL (MAHONEY) TO JOIN (ILLEGAL) IMMIGRATION MARCH IN BARRI0
Posted on 05/01/2006 4:59:09 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
LOS ANGELES - That Cardinal Roger Mahony attended grammar school here, in the modest St. Charles Borromeo parish more than a half-century ago, was a fact lost on many parishioners on a recent Sunday. But little else is forgotten about the neighborhood-kid-done-good whose national profile has been on the rise, largely for his willingness to take on controversy, especially his stand on illegal immigration. Mahony, 70, who leads the nation's largest Roman Catholic archdiocese, is scheduled to participate in today's planned mass protests in Los Angeles, except not the one to be held downtown.
Rather, after celebrating noon Mass at Los Angeles' Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels today, Mahony will march in a barrio. Mahony has often been said to have a common touch among Latino immigrants. When newly ordained in the 1960s, Mahony sought a remote post in rural Fresno, Calif., where he worked with immigrant farm laborers and their then-leader, Cesar Chavez.
Well, the church has to fill the collection plates somehow.
This franchise held by our American Catholic Church bishops needs to be revoked. Like American politicians, these bishops need reinstallation.
AIDING AND ABETTING ILLEGAL ALIENS:
Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."
Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):
Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.
Exactly. This is all about coins in the plate and fannies in the pews. The Catholic Church is looking at the issue from a strictly business perspective and that's shameful.
The Catholic church may not have borders but countries do.
What a jerk.
Perhaps its time for Cardinal Mahoney to joing the illegals in Mexico?
Hmm, maybe I coined a new word?
"Cardinal Roger Mahony"
I wish this guy's butt was also kicked out of the country permanently for aiding and abetting. Let him take confessionals in Chiapas.
ROFL. You're evil.
"who leads the nation's largest Roman Catholic archdiocese, is scheduled to participate in today's planned mass protests in Los Angeles, except not the one to be held downtown."
It's time to reconsider the tax exempt status of any religious organization that doesn't follow the rule of the law including immigration law. Let the Catholic Church pay taxes like law abiding people and businesses.
I think most Catholics disagree and disapprove of what Mahoney and some others are doing. I also know that what the Bishops say is NOT binding on us as Catholics and only "ex cathedra" pronouncements from the Pope can compel obedience. Mahoney is taking a political stance here - no matter how he tries to cloak it in some kind of moral ledgermain - and Catholics can, and I believe will, reject it.
Ah, he's just trolling for some brown sugar.
Mahoney is as close to a heretic as we have in the Catholic Church.
To say that Mahoney and his ilk are the reason why people are leaving the Catholic Church, is like saying that Olympia Snow is the reason why people are leaving the GOP.
People may be leaving because they are subjected to Mahoney's circus, but in all truth, in those places where the Bishops stick to the true teachings of the church, they are growing by leaps and bounds.
Such an outrage! so holy in his position (the cardinal)...
You've made the same mistake the anti-Catholic bigots make.
Mahony's position is not the official policy of the Catholic Church. Mahony is in error on Catholic immigration policy, which acknowledges that immigration laws must be respected.
ALL DAY PING. Aiding and abetting illegal.
You despise Roman Catholics, so anything the Catholic Church does is a "religious conflict" to you.
Illegal aliens rarely go to Mass.
The mandatory, knuckle-dragger post.
Great strategy. Deflect attention from his own sins.
"Well, the church has to fill the collection plates somehow."
I've seen this type of comment often here at Freep.
It doesn't make sense.
These illegals were already catholic. Whatever Mahoney is doing has nothing to do with trying to attact them to the Church. He really does believe in this cause...but it is his personal opinion. The members of the Church are split on this just like the members of the political parties are split on it...just like many Americans are split on it.
What an unlikely combination! Catholic clergy and communists!!
"What an unlikely combination! Catholic clergy and communists!!"
Read much about the life of John Paul II?
Just another of V.I.Lenin's "Useful Idiots" on the Wide road to destruction. b'shem Y'shua
Are you saying what I think you're saying?
Let me tell you one thing. Mahoney is WRONG, and he does not speak for the Church.
Yours and Mia T's posts are so off-the-wall that they leave one grasping for some kind of response.
I was wondering the same thing, but it's such a beautiful day, I didn't really want to go there.
This beautiful day has the makings of turning ugly. I haven't turned on the tv. Yet.
I went to Mass this morning. NOT one word about Commie day and the illegal immigrants.
Clearly Roger Mahoney does not believe in the Holy Word of G-d: Y'shua.Y'shua's kingdom is not of this world.Ro. 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities,
for there is no authority except that which God has
established. The authorities that exist have been established
Ro. 13:2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling
against what God has instituted, and those who do so will
bring judgment on themselves.
Ro. 13:3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those
who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one
in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
"You don't agree with Lumen Gentium then: "
The passage you provided deals with the Pope and the Magisterium - of which Mahoney is A PART - but Mahoney does not fully represent the Magisterium - nor does he alone decide the teaching.
Mahoney is not representing Church teaching here...he is just acting like a typical liberal....which he is.
The Church has a wide spectrum of bishops and cardinals in the Magisterium...many of whom would disagree with Mahoney.
Does anyone happen to have a link to the flyer that lists the organizers of today's boycott?
I may be off base on the various pronouncements from the Pope, and am willing to reconsider that part over time, but I still don't think I'm required to adhere to the POLITICAL pronouncements of a Bishop.
"Well, the church has to fill the collection plates somehow"
You got it.
Not really. I do know that John Paul II grew up in a communist country. He survived a communist regime. And that Russian Communists tried to assassinate him. Mahoney has knowingly sided with communists and breached the Church/State boundary. ...very different relationships IMHO.
>>Mahony's position is not the official policy of the Catholic Church. Mahony is in error on Catholic immigration policy, which acknowledges that immigration laws must be respected.<<
I was challenging EM's statement that non-Ex Cathedra papal pronouncements need not be obeyed.
Cardinal Roger M. Mahony, rebuffed Monday by the U.S. Supreme Court in his request to keep two accused priests' personnel files private, now must turn those documents over to a grand jury and face the growing possibility that he may soon be forced to relinquish more confidential church records involving alleged sexual abuse.
Attorneys for the Los Angeles archbishop had argued that all communication between a bishop and his priests including that about allegations of sexual abuse and resulting investigations was protected under the 1st Amendment. In declining to hear his case, the Supreme Court effectively let stand a California appellate court decision that rejected the constitutional claim.
You have spouted off about one too many times. This has nothing to do with anti-catholicism. It has to do with truth vs. error. When someone is doing something in error, it can't be defended. You or any of your catholic friends can NOT get away with actions just because you're catholic. Anyway, this entire mess is about to blow up. For that reason, I'm being real careful about my responses. A little less talk and a lot more action.
Job security for Cardinal Mahoney. He knows most of them are catholics, and wants to keep his job til he is no longer.
This is going to give some Catholics reason to leave the church IMO.