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Sen. Allen's Journey Of Racial Conciliation (apologizing for slavery)
Washington Post ^ | 5/1/6 | Rosalind S. Helderman

Posted on 05/01/2006 9:11:01 AM PDT by Crackingham

On a weekend pilgrimage to this town that was once the center of massive resistance to desegregation, Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) said he believes a congressional resolution expressing remorse for slavery would be a "powerful, worthy" idea.

Allen, who is running for reelection while considering a 2008 presidential bid, was in Farmville over the weekend as part of a racial reconciliation trip organized by the bipartisan Faith and Politics Institute. Also participating in the pilgrimage was Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), a leader in the civil rights movement. Allen pledged to work with Lewis to build support among colleagues and the public for the resolution.

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Allen's comments were notable because some black leaders and political opponents have long accused him of racial insensitivities. Before he ran for governor in 1993, he kept a Confederate flag in a cabin near his Charlottesville home, part of a collection of flags, he has said. He once displayed a noose in his law office, which he said was part of a homage to the West. And he stirred controversy as governor by issuing a proclamation noting the South's celebration of Confederate History Month in April, without mentioning slavery.

Allen said he has gotten a lesson in the importance of symbols, including the Confederate flag. "I have learned over time what that flag means," he said. "To me, it didn't mean what it means to some people. . . . I looked at it more as anti-establishment, renegade, rebelliousness. But I have learned . . . when you look at how that flag has been appropriated by hate groups. I don't ever want to hurt people or in any way make them feel bad about one thing or another."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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1 posted on 05/01/2006 9:11:10 AM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

The left must be concerned, they are starting their 'twisting' of news against Allen.


2 posted on 05/01/2006 9:12:31 AM PDT by mnehring (http://abaraxas.blogspot.com)
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To: Crackingham

Oh great, an institution (Congress) that didn't hold slaves apologizing on behalf of long-dead people who did hold slaves to people who were never slaves during their lives.

How helpful.

Maybe next, Congress can move on to less important issues, like a balanced budget amendment to the constitution, or real border control, etc.


3 posted on 05/01/2006 9:16:54 AM PDT by Elpasser
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To: Crackingham
Is this something like the Greaseman's "Apology Tour?" ;) ;) ;)

To quote Anthony Cumia, "Waddle doodle, I apologize! Bone dry!"

4 posted on 05/01/2006 9:18:27 AM PDT by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: mnehrling

Allen, as usual, will pander.


5 posted on 05/01/2006 9:19:50 AM PDT by zarf (It's time for a college football playoff system.)
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To: Crackingham; All
Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) said he believes a congressional resolution expressing remorse for slavery would be a "powerful, worthy" idea.

Didn't Bill Clinton already do that during his term? Doesn't Senator Allen have anything else to do?

6 posted on 05/01/2006 9:20:22 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: Crackingham
Allen should keep his apologies "personal", personally apologizing for any slights he might have personally committed. I will not support him if he falls into the endless quagmire of "racial group guilt", as I not only have never owned slaves, I have never owned a Confederate flag or memorabilia, etc. Even though it has no bearing on any personal responsibility I may or may not have, my ancestors fought to liberate southern slaves, and to preserve the Union, at least most of them. It is irrelevant, as I am responsible only for what I personally do, nothing else. Those who exploit the fallacious concept of "Group" or "Racial Guilt" are engaging in racism.
7 posted on 05/01/2006 9:23:28 AM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: Crackingham

What about Robert KKK Byrd??


8 posted on 05/01/2006 9:23:59 AM PDT by petkus
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To: Crackingham
The current congress had nothing to do with slavery. How can they express remorse for the actions of those long dead. If they do, they are embracing responsibility and then will come the demands for reparations. This is meaningless pandering that gains no friends. It just sharpens the appetite of your enemies. I expected better from Allen.
9 posted on 05/01/2006 9:25:26 AM PDT by isrul
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To: Crackingham
What a girlyman

My President Allen is Geena Davis.

10 posted on 05/01/2006 9:27:12 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain)
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To: Crackingham
I don't ever want to hurt people or in any way make them feel bad about one thing or another."


Isn't that sweet??

Guliani slapping around Arafat and then that Saudi with his 12 mill is lookin better every day.
11 posted on 05/01/2006 9:28:53 AM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: Crackingham

Please don't do this. You're a Republican. That means you are one of the good guys; your party fought slavery, and opposed Jim Crow all during the bad old days.

This is a teaching opportunity, to educate a generation that doesn't, thank God, really remember the bad old days, to remind them that while the Democrats still engage in ethnic politics and still pander to racial stereotypes, the Republicans continue to believe in color-blind citizenship. We are right where we have always been.

So for God's sake, don't apologize. Educate.


12 posted on 05/01/2006 9:41:39 AM PDT by marron
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To: Crackingham
Oh great, more apologizing. Here's a reality check for all the black people in this country, who are five to ten generations removed from slavery at least as we sit here in the 21st century:

YOU are dang lucky that your ancestors were brought to the U.S. to be slaves hundreds of years ago. For one thing, it was your black brothers in Africa that sold your great great great great great great great grandparents to the white Europeans who brought you to the United States, before there even was a United States. There were no slave ships in the time after the U.S. Revolutionary War. All slave ships predate the U.S..

And have you looked at Africa lately? Would you really want to live there? By all means, if past slavery makes it so impossible for you to live in this country, by all means leave. Here's what you get to look forward to in your great home called Africa; disease, famine, rampant ethnic cleansing, and more. If the muslims aren't trying to kill you there because you aren't muslim, then some tribal hundreds year old conflict is raging trying to kill you. And if not that, you'll die of hunger, or one of hundreds of rampant diseases, a large animal or any number of snakes that go where they please, or a lack of any kind of decent sanitation in most of the continent. You should thank your lucky stars your ancestors were brought here to be slaves, even though slavery was and is dead wrong and just about the worst thing one human can do to another. But bottom line, if there was no slavery, it's doubtful that even half of the blacks in the U.S. who did not immigrate here the past hundred years would even be alive, as it's quite a long shot that all those generations of their ancestors the past 300+ years would have actually survived in Africa to have had them or their parents, etc so on.

That's reality. Not popular. Not pretty. But reality. Congress has no business wasting time on an apology being made for mistakes made for people dead for over 100 years. Especially since the people who made the mistakes weren't even Americans. The people who made the initial mistakes, well their ancestors mostly live in Europe, in Spain, England, and France. Congress should be worrying about the war and rampant illegal flow across our borders which is a perfect cover for terrorist incursions across our border with nuclear or biological weapons, and certainly not wasting any time on apologies for things that the United States had no part in starting. What a waste of time. I'm disappointed Senator Allen would even consider it. All this P.C. warm fuzzy crap in the face of sheer stupidity is really getting tiresome.

13 posted on 05/01/2006 9:45:55 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (Vote Republican. A conservative America, for a better future.)
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To: Crackingham
What else are they going to do? Nothing much going on right now that needs their attention.
14 posted on 05/01/2006 9:48:06 AM PDT by manwiththehands (No, usted no puede!)
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To: Crackingham
[...Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) said he believes a congressional resolution expressing remorse for slavery would be a "powerful, worthy" idea.]



Yeah, that's what we need. Forward thinking politicians solving everyday problems... like the ongoing problem of slavery.
15 posted on 05/01/2006 10:12:53 AM PDT by spinestein (The mainstream news media are to journalism what fast food chains are to fine dining.)
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To: Richard Axtell
I will not support him if he falls into the endless quagmire of "racial group guilt"

Holy mackeral! I've been leaning toward Allen, in part because his dad was one whale of a football coach (hated him, of course because I was a rabid Cowboy fan). I thought some of George Allen's persistence and heart might have rubbed off.

But I'm with you; we've had all the fake apologies that are needed.

18 posted on 05/01/2006 10:16:55 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Crackingham

I wonder where Allen's protesting today...


19 posted on 05/01/2006 10:25:36 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the whole trailer park...)
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To: Iscool

Perhaps apologizing the enslavement to rising taxes we all pay to pay for illegals and their childen would be more appropriate.


20 posted on 05/01/2006 10:28:22 AM PDT by HumanitysEdge (http://humanitysedge.homeip.net/)
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To: Crackingham

Will this ever end?
Not likely any time soon, since certain race-hucksters have a vested interest in keeping the hate going.


21 posted on 05/01/2006 10:31:09 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (what have you done today to fight terrorism/leftism (same thing!))
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To: HumanitysEdge

No doubt...Why we have politicians that want to keep reliving the 60's is beyond me...


22 posted on 05/01/2006 10:32:10 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the whole trailer park...)
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To: Crackingham; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; ...

Allen PING..............

Here we go again.....~~~~~SIGH~~~~


23 posted on 05/01/2006 10:39:50 AM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: Crackingham
So what do you think of the article you've posted?
24 posted on 05/01/2006 10:41:04 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Gabz

Next he'll be accused of smoking cigs or of protecting big tobacco.


25 posted on 05/01/2006 10:43:30 AM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody! --- FACTS DON'T MATTER.)
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To: HumanitysEdge
Perhaps apologizing the enslavement to rising taxes we all pay to pay for illegals and their childen would be more appropriate.

Perhaps it wouldn't.

26 posted on 05/01/2006 10:59:48 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: onyx

Don't forget..........he chews tobacco!!!!

I haven't seen his schedule yet, but I'm hoping he will be attending Wednesday's Seafood Festival on Chincoteague. It is an election year, so I will guess he will be there.


27 posted on 05/01/2006 11:00:22 AM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: Gabz; Corin Stormhands

I am sick of this "apologizing" nonsense.

Of course, when Clinton went to Africa and apologized for the US not doing something (I can't even remember what supposed sin the US committed that he felt compelled to apolgize for it), the liberal dinosaur media thought it was greatest thing since canned beer.

Clinton gets a pass; Allen gets raked over the coals for pandering.

I'm sick of the whole thing.


28 posted on 05/01/2006 11:21:23 AM PDT by iceskater (One person's mess is another person's filing system.)
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To: Crackingham
Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) said he believes a congressional resolution expressing remorse for slavery would be a "powerful, worthy" idea.

So much for Allen as a presidential "rising star". The GOP HAS to find a contender for '08 or we are going to be hearing "Madame President" for at least 4 years starting in January of '09.
29 posted on 05/01/2006 11:27:47 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: zarf; Gelato
Allen, as usual, will pander.

Oh, yeah.

30 posted on 05/01/2006 11:29:33 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: DustyMoment
So much for Allen as a presidential "rising star". The GOP HAS to find a contender for '08 or we are going to be hearing "Madame President" for at least 4 years starting in January of '09.

Indeed.

31 posted on 05/01/2006 11:31:00 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Gabz

Yep. All Republicans are evil.
(sigh...)


32 posted on 05/01/2006 12:17:17 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Gabz; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; ...
The responses on this, and the other Allen thread, are simply baffling.

Let me clarify that I am a son (small "S" I don't belong to the group) of the Confederacy. I have lived my entire life in Virginia, except for four years in Kentucky in college. My first day of school was the first day schools were integrated in my county.

That said, I just don't get the reactions to this. Not even enough to try to debate it.

These measures are largely (granted, not entirely) symbolic. An olive branch if you will. I don't have a problem with them.

33 posted on 05/01/2006 4:14:12 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands
This will be long blown-over by November. Click on the Hampton Roads Announcement Tour slide show. Senator Allen enjoys the support of many of Virginia's African-American voters.

Support George Allen

George Allen 2006 Photo Album

34 posted on 05/01/2006 4:24:54 PM PDT by Ligeia (Help unseat Jim Moran: http://www.tomodonoghue.com/about.html)
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To: Corin Stormhands; Gabz; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; jla; Flora McDonald

Every thing to lose, nothing to gain.

He could have offered an olive branch without beating himself with it.

Poor judgement on the part of the hacks that advise him like the time he teamed up publicly with MZ Bradey on the "Anti Assault" weapons bill.


35 posted on 05/03/2006 8:07:03 AM PDT by Phosgood (Kerry was a Shill for Hillery)
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Poor judgement on the part of the hacks that advise him like the time he teamed up publicly with MZ Bradey on the "Anti Assault" weapons bill.

I suppose you have a source for that misstatement?

"This election matters because George Allen says it's okay to bring deadly weapons into recreation centers," said Mrs. Brady. "How can allowing firearms into recreation centers keep our children safe? If George Allen wants to send guns into recreation centers in Virginia, I can't imagine what he will do for our country. Chuck Robb, on the other hand, shows tremendous leadership when he stands up to the gun lobby and he does so time after time."
Sarah Brady in a 2000 Press Release.

P8riot posted a good summary of the FACTS about George Allen's 2nd Amendment position here.

36 posted on 05/03/2006 8:13:49 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Elpasser

bttt


37 posted on 05/03/2006 8:33:10 AM PDT by kalee
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To: Crackingham
On a weekend pilgrimage to this town that was once the center of massive resistance to desegregation, Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) said he believes a congressional resolution expressing remorse for slavery would be a "powerful, worthy" idea

What a dumba##. Tha'st exactly what the slavery reparations crowd wants.

Why does the Republican party shoot themselves in the foot every day.

Looks like it's up to Pence in '08, this guy is a friggin' fool
38 posted on 05/03/2006 8:39:23 AM PDT by Vision ("There are no limits to growth because there are no limits of human intelligence" Ronald Reagan)
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To: Gabz; Corin Stormhands
Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) said he believes a congressional resolution expressing remorse for slavery would be a "powerful, worthy" idea.

This is nonsense, utter nonsense.

39 posted on 05/03/2006 10:58:17 AM PDT by jla
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To: jla
This is nonsense, utter nonsense.

I know I'll never win this argument here on FR. But I just don't see it that way.

Slavery was wrong. The demand for Reparations is wrong.

Trying to seek some resolution in between is not. A apology costs us nothing.

Flame away.

40 posted on 05/03/2006 11:14:46 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Crackingham
I wonder then if there we should expect to receive a big "Thank You" resolution to the descendants of all of the soldiers killed during the Civil War. Maybe even some kind of reparation for the soldiers surviving generations. Better yet, how about giving their great, great, great, grandchildren special preference for getting into college and being promoted on the job?

Nah!

That would be discrimination, and that's supposed to be a bad thing.
41 posted on 05/03/2006 11:20:47 AM PDT by markedman (Islam means surrender, and I will NEVER surrender!)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Slavery was wrong. The demand for Reparations is wrong.

Agreed, on both points.

Trying to seek some resolution in between is not. A apology costs us nothing.

Vehemently disagree.
I would ask, why is Allen doing this now? If he thinks it to be such a noble and warranted action why didn't he propose it last year? Five years ago? Or when he first became a U.S. senator? Or when he was the governor of Virginia, the state that had the preponderance of slaves?
Don't you find it even the least suspicious that he proposes this immediately after the silly report of his wearing a Rebel pin as a high schooler?
He is not going to get the black vote any way, and I'll tell you another thing, most blacks couldn't care less if the Confederate flag is displayed or not.
Senator Allen is too good of a representative, and a man, to be cowering like this.

Flame away.

Sorry Mr. Stormhands, for that to occur you would first have to gain my disrespect. A very unlikely likelihood.

42 posted on 05/03/2006 11:37:48 AM PDT by jla
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To: jla
If he thinks it to be such a noble and warranted action why didn't he propose it last year?

Last year he co-sponsored the Senate resolution apologizing for lynching (that's a ~slight~ paraphrase).

Whatever the timing, whatever the reasoning, I'm ~fairly certain~ this is not just in response to the hit piece.

43 posted on 05/03/2006 12:24:39 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands; P8riot; Gabz; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; jla; Flora McDonald
Me: "Poor judgment on the part of the hacks that advise him like the time he teamed up publicly with MZ Brady on the "Anti Assault" weapons bill.
You:I suppose you have a source for that misstatement? "

I may have misstated, it wasn't Mz Brady, it was Mz Feinstein...
In 2000, George Allen publicly proclaimed his intention to RENEW the Clinton-Feinstein Semi-Auto Gun Ban.
Gun Owners in Virginia swung into action to make George Allen feel the heat so he'd see the light . . . and he DID!
George Allen took a second look and did the RIGHT THING by voting AGAINST
These groups are aware of Senator Allen's mottled record on gun rights, but hope he will continue to move in the right direction by doing more as he aspires to more.
But here at a glance are other gun control measures George Allen has supported either now or in the past...
GUN CONTROL MEASURES GEORGE ALLEN'S RECORD
Renewing the 1994 Gun Ban - YES then NO*
One-Gun-A-Month Rationing Scheme - YES*
Ending Private Gun Sales at Gun Shows - YES*
Lock Up Self-Defense Guns or Face Criminal Penalties - YES*
Tracking Handgun Buyers in a Centralized Database - YES*
(Sources: *Richmond Times Dispatch, September 13, 2000, &2000 U.S. Senate Candidate Survey, "Voted for SB 424 in 1990 and SB 685 in 1991 as a VA Delegate, * 1993 Allen for Governor Campaign Policy Statement)
"I have decided…to vote against extension of the 'Assault Weapons Ban.'

-- Statement issued by Senator George Allen; March 1, 2004
"I have taken a position that I would not repeal the existing ban. Therefore logically I would vote to continue the existing law."
-- Senatorial candidate George Allen, as quoted in the September 15, 2000 edition of the Richmond Times Dispatch.

We don't need to pick at each other but focus on keeping Sen Allen from morphing into a RHINO like our (VA) other Senator. We brought him to the dance!
44 posted on 05/16/2006 8:39:57 PM PDT by Phosgood (Kerry was a Shill for Hillery)
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To: Corin Stormhands; P8riot; Gabz; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; jla; Flora McDonald
Me: "Poor judgment on the part of the hacks that advise him like the time he teamed up publicly with MZ Brady on the "Anti Assault" weapons bill.
You:I suppose you have a source for that misstatement? "

I may have misstated, it wasn't Mz Brady, it was Mz Feinstein...
In 2000, George Allen publicly proclaimed his intention to RENEW the Clinton-Feinstein Semi-Auto Gun Ban.
Gun Owners in Virginia swung into action to make George Allen feel the heat so he'd see the light . . . and he DID!
George Allen took a second look and did the RIGHT THING by voting AGAINST
These groups are aware of Senator Allen's mottled record on gun rights, but hope he will continue to move in the right direction by doing more as he aspires to more.
But here at a glance are other gun control measures George Allen has supported either now or in the past...
GUN CONTROL MEASURES GEORGE ALLEN'S RECORD
Renewing the 1994 Gun Ban - YES then NO*
One-Gun-A-Month Rationing Scheme - YES*
Ending Private Gun Sales at Gun Shows - YES*
Lock Up Self-Defense Guns or Face Criminal Penalties - YES*
Tracking Handgun Buyers in a Centralized Database - YES*
(Sources: *Richmond Times Dispatch, September 13, 2000, &2000 U.S. Senate Candidate Survey, "Voted for SB 424 in 1990 and SB 685 in 1991 as a VA Delegate, * 1993 Allen for Governor Campaign Policy Statement)
"I have decided…to vote against extension of the 'Assault Weapons Ban.'

-- Statement issued by Senator George Allen; March 1, 2004
"I have taken a position that I would not repeal the existing ban. Therefore logically I would vote to continue the existing law."
-- Senatorial candidate George Allen, as quoted in the September 15, 2000 edition of the Richmond Times Dispatch.

We don't need to pick at each other but focus on keeping Sen Allen from morphing into a RHINO like our (VA) other Senator. We brought him to the dance!
45 posted on 05/16/2006 8:41:36 PM PDT by Phosgood (Kerry was a Shill for Hillery)
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To: Crackingham
George Allen just went down a few points in my eyes.

His pandering will NOT get him one additional black or liberal vote. He will only LOSE support from conservatives who are sick and tired of this guilt crap from something that happened generations before ANY of us living now--not to mention that what they were doing what was legal at the time.

This perpetual guilt crap has got to stop. GET OVER IT ALREADY,,, GEEEZ!

What's next? A formal apology to all women because they could not vote 200 years ago? This liberal, self-flaggelation, pandering and never-ending guilt trip for something that NO ONE ALIVE ever did,,,MUST STOP. It just never ends.

How about this for an alternative? Congress passes an APOLOGY resolution--in exchange for BANNING all "Reverse Discrimation" (aka affirmative action)? Sounds fair to me.

46 posted on 05/16/2006 9:05:34 PM PDT by stockstrader
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To: areafiftyone

It does not matter how many times anyone apologizes - those on the left will always think thew wittow feewings awe huwt (that is my best Elmer Fudd impression : ).


47 posted on 05/16/2006 9:10:01 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: Crackingham

I heard and was shocked, Allen telling Fox News that he wanted more immigration not less.

If he continues to move to the left I will really start to rethink my support.


48 posted on 05/16/2006 9:13:19 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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