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PAKISTAN: Al-Qaeda has dirty bomb, report says (Al Qaeda has four bases in Pakistan)
AKI ^ | 2006 May 2

Posted on 05/02/2006 6:56:33 AM PDT by Wiz

Islamabad, 2 May (AKI) - Osama bin Laden possesses a "dirty bomb" and nuclear devices bought on the Russian black market prior to 2001, according to Hamid Mir, the journalist who interviewed bin Laden shortly after the 11 September attacks. "Material useful for building a dirty bomb was smuggled from Russia to Georgia and then on to Afghanistan," Mir said in an interview with the website of satellite network al-Arabiya. He added that the device was built with various materials, including uranium, by an Egyptian engineer known as Saad. "I met this engineer only once, in 2000, when the Taliban controlled Kabul" he said.

In the interview, Mir also said the Saudi terror leader had changed his mind at the last minute on the idea of making one of the hijacked 11 September planes crash into a US nuclear plant.

The Pakistani journalist, also said he has precise and up-to-date information on how the Saudi terror leader lives.

"Last September I met the bodyguard of Osama Bin Laden, Abu Hamza, who told me that he had married an Afghan woman with whom he had three children. On the same day he told me of the death of one of Bin Laden's wives during childbirth in a mountainous zone where there were no doctors. It seemed that her death was not a major problem for bin Laden as death in childbirth is quite frequent among Afghan women," Mir recounted.

It is unclear to which of bin Laden's wives his bodyguard was referring, even if it seems probably it was the daughter of Abu Hafs al-Masri.

Abu Hamza al-Jazeeri - an Algerian who in 2003 was in Iraq but later returned to Afghanistan - also indicated that combatants go from Afghanistan to Iraq and back through Iran.

(Excerpt) Read more at adnki.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; alqaeda; alqaedanukes; alqaedastrategy; dirtybomb; loosenukes; oef; osamabinladen; terrorism; terrorist; waronterror; wmd; wot

1 posted on 05/02/2006 6:56:38 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: Dog; ravingnutter; Straight Vermonter; jmc1969; Gucho; SandRat; TexKat

ping


2 posted on 05/02/2006 6:57:46 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: Wiz
you've got to break a few eggs to make an omelet
3 posted on 05/02/2006 6:58:56 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Wiz

I'm sure a lot of people would like us to believe that bin Laden has the bomb--even if he doesn't.

If he did have the bomb, I've no doubt he'd use it without any hesitation or delay.

So does he have the bomb? Probably not. Yet.


4 posted on 05/02/2006 7:00:06 AM PDT by 5by5
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To: 5by5

unfortunately bin laden has hesitated and delayed (the world trade center attacks).


5 posted on 05/02/2006 7:02:50 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: 5by5

Agreed, but he is a patient man, and if that means waiting an extra year before implementing a new plan to explode one on our soil, I've no doubt he'd wait. After all, it's not like sneaking a weapon through the Southern borders is impossible. Think of all the tons of dope they bring up that way...


6 posted on 05/02/2006 7:04:05 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: 5by5
So does he have the bomb? Probably not. Yet.

If he bought fission devices at the Russian Flea Market in 2001, all he has now are dirty bombs anyway.

Shrug and yawn.

7 posted on 05/02/2006 7:04:54 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: 5by5

Probably never a "nuclear bomb", but slightly more chance for "dirty bomb" which radioactive material are integrated with explosives to spread the radiation. That depends on if Al Qaida has access to the Russian black market, and the radioactive materials or wastes are availible.


8 posted on 05/02/2006 7:07:34 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: Wiz
...according to Hamid Mir, the journalist the propagandist...
9 posted on 05/02/2006 7:12:06 AM PDT by balk (Vive le Canada libre... des Libereaux)
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To: Gorzaloon

He's apparently very intelligent, and patient. He may well be reworking the contents of one or more warheads. This could produce a functional weapon. There's no shortage of Nuke scientists, very underpaid nuke scientists, in the former USSR. Is this likely? No. Is it possible? Yes. Guess we'll know when one goes off. If we catch it coming in, we'll never hear about it. Where are the comments that he's dead?


11 posted on 05/02/2006 7:21:37 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate our country.)
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To: Gorzaloon
If he bought fission devices at the Russian Flea Market in 2001, all he has now are dirty bombs anyway.

And that's assuming that they were actual bombs, not the Russian Mafia selling the rubes a bunch of pinball machine parts and radioactive medical waste.

12 posted on 05/02/2006 7:28:38 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: conservativewasp
Where are the comments that he's dead?

Amazingly absent, considering that:

1) His "wife" died in childbirth because the remote primitive place he is "living" has no doctors.

2) Yet, he needs dialysis.

A classic NAND function.

13 posted on 05/02/2006 7:28:58 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: steve-b
And that's assuming that they were actual bombs, not the Russian Mafia selling the rubes a bunch of pinball machine parts and radioactive medical waste.

Ahh, that is my Cold War bias showing..I always underestimated the Russians!

Pinball machine parts! Hahahahhaha!

14 posted on 05/02/2006 7:35:54 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: conservativewasp

Al Quaeda's MO has always been to pretend that its attacks are just a response to something that we have done to them, to make moronic liberals and the media and the liberal churches think that if we'd just leave them alone, the attacks will stop. But the attacks will never stop. basically, according to the Koran, "infidels" have no rights - they must convert, submit to dhimmitude, or die. The true Muslim is, at heart, a slavemaster. The Muslim is Allah's slave, and non-Muslims are the slaves of Muslims. The parallel between non-Muslims in Muslim countries and Blacks in the old South is almost exact.


15 posted on 05/02/2006 7:36:41 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: conservativewasp
This remarkable, newly discovered video leaves little doubt Osama is alive.
16 posted on 05/02/2006 7:44:44 AM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: steve-b

I thought they bought old parts from the first sony playstations? And they were probably not russian, they were chinese knockoffs, lol. Hiding in a cave getting info from his confidants via cd's reminds me a bit of Hitler's last days, where he spent time in his bunker and his minions watched as he became more and more detached from reality. IN OBL's mind, the world still revolves around him, when in actuality, he is yesterday's news.


17 posted on 05/02/2006 8:22:49 AM PDT by milwguy
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To: Wiz
From a 2004 Military.com article:
Former Soviet General Ledbed, once a candidate for the Russian presidency and an opponent of Boris Yeltsin, reported just before his untimely death that over 50 ADMs were missing from the Soviet arsenal. Ledbed died of mysterious circumstances while he was running for the Russian presidency. No one ever proved or disproved the Ledbed allegations.

In an interview broadcast on Australian Broadcasting Corporation television, Hamid Amir, a Pakistani journalist, said he had met with Dr. Ayman al-Zawahri, the Number Two Al Qaeda leader behind Osama bin Laden. Dr. Ayman al-Zawahri claimed that "smart briefcase bombs" were available on the "black market." There was no mention of when or where the interview was conducted.

When asked how difficult it was to buy and operate ADMs, Dr. Al-Zawahri is reported to have laughed and said: "Mr. Mir, if you have $30 million, go to the black market in central Asia, contact any disgruntled Soviet scientists, and a lot of smart briefcase bombs are available."

Al-Zawahri added, "They have contacted us, we sent our people to Moscow, to Tashkent, to other central Asian states, and they negotiated, and we purchased some suitcase bombs."

About dirty bombs, the article says:

While much has been in the news about a "dirty bomb" - radiological materials wrapped in large amounts of TNT or C-4 like materials - the facts are that a dirty bomb would do more psychological harm than any kind of physical damage.

Small dirty bombs can be made by anyone with access to radiological materials, like spent nuclear fuel rods, hospital radiological materials, research isotopes, etc.

However, a dirty bomb would be a little difficult to build without contamination to the amateur that might be so foolish to do so. A suitcase bomb would be shielded and more easily transportable.

So IOW, we need to be more worried about suitcase bombs.
18 posted on 05/02/2006 8:29:29 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Oliver Optic

LOL


19 posted on 05/02/2006 9:25:32 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: ravingnutter

Stating that a radiological "dirty" bomb is harmless is ridiculous...

If the bomb used Cesium-137:

- On explosion, the microscopic particles would be dispered over a wide radius

- The particles would adhere to everything...skin, clothes, trees, buildings, etc...

- Ingesting or inhaling even one particle would lead to radiation poisoning...Cesium 137 is a "bone sucker"...it would invade your bone marrow...you'd eventually die

- The particles could not be "cleaned" in a soap & water sense, you'd have to level the area affected and then bury it


20 posted on 05/02/2006 12:15:17 PM PDT by His Supreme Majesty
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To: His Supreme Majesty
I'm definitely no rocket scientist, but I work with the military and have become dependent on them for my info, so I just pulled that article down from their website. But several other, what I would consider to be trusted sites, agree with them, such as the scientists at Tufts University and the CDC. Research at the Heritage Foundation says "To kill or sicken a large number of people would require a relatively large weapon with highly radioactive material.". A CFR report agrees with them, even in the case of cesium-137.

My information still leads me to believe we should be more concerned with suitcase nukes. But if you are really concerned, maybe you can get yourself one of these handy dandy Micro Dirty Bomb Key Fobs to carry around with you ; )

I do apologize, but just I can't help being a smartass sometimes, living with my hubby will do that to a person, LOL!

21 posted on 05/02/2006 1:41:40 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

Strongly suggest you make a Barnes/Noble run and read:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1581825293/qid=1146603320/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-0934037-1546326?s=books&v=glance&n=283155


22 posted on 05/02/2006 1:54:56 PM PDT by His Supreme Majesty
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To: His Supreme Majesty

If he had had the dirty bomb on 9/11/2001, he would have used it...now, he's hiding in caves with more and more of his aides and leutenants getting the "72 virgin" service every day! In Iraq, Zarquawi is getting more and more desperate because the same scenario is happpening and he's more in the open than Bin Laden. Personally, I think we ought to just MOAB the entire border region between Pakistan and Afghanistan because there are more enemies there than everywhere else put together!


23 posted on 05/02/2006 2:03:13 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: Wiz

OBL remains dead. The Alqaida dirty bomb, if ever used, would bring the rapid end of islamic terrorism since the entire civilized world would come down on them like a ton of bricks.


24 posted on 05/02/2006 2:05:46 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: kinoxi
unfortunately bin laden has hesitated and delayed (the world trade center attacks).

Yes, and this has to be repeated frequently (at least once per day on FR) to westerners who don't understand the Islamic concept of eternal patience.

25 posted on 05/02/2006 2:09:12 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: princess leah
If he had had the dirty bomb on 9/11/2001, he would have used it.

Why do you say that? Did the U.S. and Britain use every weapon in their inventory when invading Iraq?

Besides, a dirty bomb would result in few if any more immediate casualties than any conventional bomb of the same size.

The main effect would be to make the area off-limits for a period of time.

26 posted on 05/02/2006 2:13:55 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Gorzaloon
"1) His "wife" died in childbirth because the remote primitive place he is "living" has no doctors."

I thought that 'whacky' guy that's always by his side is a doctor. Isn't that what they keep telling us.

27 posted on 05/02/2006 2:15:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: steve-b
not the Russian Mafia selling the rubes a bunch of pinball machine parts and radioactive medical waste.

MY bombs are good! - Dr. Emmemetovich Brownov

28 posted on 05/02/2006 2:21:56 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (If you can read, thank a teacher. If you read English, thank a soldier.)
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To: BearWash
Why do you say that? Did the U.S. and Britain use every weapon in their inventory when invading Iraq?

The US and Britain aren't having their command and control structure steadily chopped to bits, and thus aren't under the same use-it-or-lose-it pressure.

29 posted on 05/02/2006 2:24:30 PM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: steve-b

That point seems applicable now, but not in mid 2001, when Al-Qaeda was not under any great onslaught. Besides, I suspect that there is enough "free trade" among terrorist groups and supporting states that any destroyed special weapons would be quickly replaced.


30 posted on 05/02/2006 2:39:10 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: His Supreme Majesty
Seems Paul Williams is just another one of the "Blame America" crowd. From the website..."He has served as a consultant for the FBI". Now, THAT'S funny...brought to you by the same FBI that failed to protect America from the Islamo-commies in the first place! Once again, I can't resist:

And he can't sing worth a crap either, LOL!

31 posted on 05/02/2006 2:49:18 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

I've read the book...it's VERY VERY good...I have a graduate degree and should know...I've read a lot of books

It basically details how America, from presidents Carter thru W., have been acting in the world without the slightest clue about our Islamic enemy...hell it was only till after 9/11 that I even bothered to learn anything about them


32 posted on 05/03/2006 5:56:51 AM PDT by His Supreme Majesty
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To: Gorzaloon
Pinball machine parts! Hahahahhaha!

I see downthread that somebody remembered the source of that quote.

33 posted on 05/03/2006 6:14:13 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: His Supreme Majesty

I don't have a degree, but I have held the hands of military Ph.D.-types (read: handling all their "perceived crises", LOL!) in the human factors/bioeffects research arena for 20 years, so I would trust the military before I trusted any flunky from the FBI, who IMHO, were the ones that didn't have a clue. We were attacked way before 9/11...OKC and the 1993 WTC bombings are just two of those examples. If you like to read, you may want to check out Jayna Davis and Laurie Mylroie's work on this. This war is not about our foreign policy or occupation of foreign lands, it is a holy war where Muslims want to conquer the world and force them to convert to their religion. Anyone that doesn't see that is blind...I loathe the "Blame America" crowd.


34 posted on 05/03/2006 10:05:37 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: 5by5

he probably does have a dirty bomb, but wont settle for it hence your assertion of hesitation. Releasing a dirty bomb would tip his hand to the west and draw way too much attention, his goal is a nuclear bomb, not a miniscule dirty bomb.


35 posted on 05/03/2006 12:06:56 PM PDT by Taulant
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