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NYC Blaze Called Biggest Since WTC Attack (Photos: Itís huge!)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/warehouse_fire;_ylt=Ao_dYQg8m9QeqkIJpaUbv1us0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHN ^ | RICHARD PYLE, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 05/02/2006 2:44:56 PM PDT by dead

23 minutes ago

NEW YORK - A raging fire laid waste to a complex of seven old warehouses on Brooklyn's waterfront on Tuesday, sending a huge plume of acrid smoke over Brooklyn that evoked memories of the World Trade Center attacks nearly five years ago.

Shortly after the walls of one five-story brick warehouse collapsed, Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta said the cause of the 9-alarm fire would be investigated as possible arson.

"We're calling it suspicious in origin," he said in a street news conference two blocks from the scene. "The buildings were fully involved with fire when the first units arrived. That plus the fact that it started early in the morning are indications of a suspicious fire."

Eighty units and more than 400 firefighters joined the battle, using several tower ladders on three street sides while five fireboats pumped water on the flames from the East River, a technique the department calls "surround and drown."

More than 6 million gallons of water were poured on the blaze, Scoppetta said, and the fire was "holding but not under control" by noon, more than six hours after it erupted. The ninth alarm was posted about an hour later.

Scoppetta and Chief of Department Peter Hayden said eight firefighters had suffered minor injuries but no civilians were hurt, nor was there any need to evacuate the area. Scoppetta identified the warehouse owner as Joshua Guttman, but had no other information.

John Mulligan, a department spokesman, said the fire was the biggest, exclusive of the World Trade Center, since a 19-alarm fire at Brooklyn's St. George Hotel in 1995. He said the WTC disaster was so large that the department quit counting alarms.

The site is on the waterfront in Brooklyn's Greenpoint neighborhood, a mixture of 19th century and small shipping and manufacturing firms. The famed Civil War ironclad, USS Monitor, was built in a shipyard that adjoined the warehouse property. The nearest homes are at least a block away.

The flames were clearly visible from the east side of Manhattan, where rubberneckers slowed morning rush hour traffic on the FDR Drive past the United Nations buildings. The acrid smoke, smelling at times of wood, rose in a huge black cloud visible for miles.

The fire started just after 5:30 a.m. and blazed furiously for six hours. At midmorning, the partial collapse of the largest of the seven warehouses caused utility wires to tug on nearby poles, one of which vibrated as if about to split. The crashing brick walls left only the corners of the five-story building still standing. Flames also spread to a storage lot where at least one rental truck was destroyed.

Area residents, watching from behind yellow tape, said the warehouses were destined to be torn down, for a park or other development. Some parts of Brooklyn's long-neglected waterfront have been targeted for new housing or other purposes.

"They're going to save a lot of money on demolition," said Yuda Geller, a real estate agent who lives in Greenpoint.

"A block away, you could feel the heat," said Filip Mielnicki, 17, a neighbor watching the blaze with his friend, 18-year-old Wojciech Wasilewski.

The two, students at Manhattan's High School for Environmental Studies, said they had often "hung out" in the warehouse that caved in. It contained a lot of old clothing and boxes of blank checks but was otherwise unused, Mielnicki said.

They, among others, remarked on the smoke cloud's resemblance to the pillar that drifted across Brooklyn for two days after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center's twin towers.

Fire officials said the warehouse complex on West Street between Quay and Noble streets — measuring 200 feet by 800 feet — was officially unoccupied, though it was unclear whether squatters were living there. Bales of cloth burned in one of the warehouses, Scoppetta said.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: brooklyn; fdny; fire; nyc
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It was a bit spooky seeing the huge smoke clouds over NYC again this morning. That's a mother of a fire.
1 posted on 05/02/2006 2:44:59 PM PDT by dead
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To: dead

Have they ruled out terrorism yet?


2 posted on 05/02/2006 2:46:24 PM PDT by null and void (American leftists are more concerned about regaining their power than with the safety of the country)
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To: dead

Most important - was Chelsea Clinton there?


3 posted on 05/02/2006 2:47:57 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: null and void
I don't know if you're kidding or not, but it was a bunch of abandoned warehouses.

I'd look first to whoever held insurance policies on them, next to neighborhood homeless chefs, and lastly to kids with matches.

4 posted on 05/02/2006 2:47:59 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: null and void
A raging fire laid waste to a complex of seven old warehouses

I think I would rule out insurance fraud first.

5 posted on 05/02/2006 2:48:52 PM PDT by magslinger (Every time taxes are raised, a liberal gets his wings. John Kass)
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To: dead

WoW


6 posted on 05/02/2006 2:48:59 PM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: null and void
I'm sure they ruled it out as soon as the first file truck pulled up, or maybe when it was on its way. Of course it might be arson, and therefore they must know who did and did not set it. Or at least they are absolutely sure who did not.
7 posted on 05/02/2006 2:49:01 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: null and void

"Have they ruled out terrorism yet?"

You would think terrorists would want a higher profile target than old warehouses but who knows.


8 posted on 05/02/2006 2:49:08 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: dead

"It was a bit spooky seeing the huge smoke clouds over NYC again this morning."

Yes, we could see it from Jersey City.


9 posted on 05/02/2006 2:50:01 PM PDT by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: dead

re: my post #5.
I gotta work on the typing skills.


10 posted on 05/02/2006 2:50:12 PM PDT by magslinger (Every time taxes are raised, a liberal gets his wings. John Kass)
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To: dead

I had a studio 3 blocks from the harbor in the Red Hook area of Brooklyn a long time ago. The food shopping was wonderful. Great Italian.

Lots of beautiful old buildings there. Brooklyn is a great place. Lots of nice people there.


12 posted on 05/02/2006 2:51:21 PM PDT by garyhope
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To: TonyRo76

Arson in Brooklyn? Naw...


13 posted on 05/02/2006 2:51:23 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: TonyRo76

It was Trump


14 posted on 05/02/2006 2:52:07 PM PDT by cmsgop ( I love Scotch. .......Scotchy, Scotch, Scotch)
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To: gondramB

Have they ruled out the mob?


15 posted on 05/02/2006 2:52:23 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: Izzy Dunne

I think she was jogging nearby.


16 posted on 05/02/2006 2:53:05 PM PDT by stayathomemom
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To: dead
...Bales of cloth burned in one of the warehouses, Scoppetta said.

That's more than cloth and blank checks burning there. Although the smoke doesn't have the dark greasy look of petroleum products burning either.

17 posted on 05/02/2006 2:53:33 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Patrick1

Have they ruled out the mob?



In Brooklyn? Naw...


18 posted on 05/02/2006 2:53:51 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Patrick1

"Have they ruled out the mob?"

I wonder what they were insured for....


19 posted on 05/02/2006 2:53:58 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: dead

Those looked like perfect spots for new condos that could be serviced by a nice water taxi into Manhatten.


20 posted on 05/02/2006 2:54:09 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Before I refuse to take your questions, I have an opening statement. - Reagan)
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To: dead

Freaked me this morning as I clearly saw the smoke from the Hudson river this AM. First thing I did was check in on the news to make sure something really bad did not go down.


21 posted on 05/02/2006 2:54:40 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: dead

Is it close to the UN building?


22 posted on 05/02/2006 2:54:49 PM PDT by lormand (...the wrong person came out of the water that fateful night in Chappaquiddick)
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To: gondramB
You would think terrorists would want a higher profile target than old warehouses but who knows.

Probably, unless it turns out to be some sort of "work accident", although those usually, but not always, go "BOOM".

24 posted on 05/02/2006 2:55:11 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Izzy Dunne
Most important - was Chelsea Clinton there?

DING DING DING!!! We have a winner!

25 posted on 05/02/2006 2:55:33 PM PDT by bondjamesbond (RICE 2008)
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To: lormand
Is it close to the UN building?

It'll have to jump the East River and head uptown. Maybe somebody can give it a ride.

26 posted on 05/02/2006 2:56:03 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: jocon307
I could see from here too! I am in Cedar Grove area on a hill.

I thought it was more brush fires near Secaucus.

27 posted on 05/02/2006 2:56:05 PM PDT by Repub4bush (Congratulations Tony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: null and void

Terroism is completely of the quesiton. Jihadis are out to do no one favors. Think insurance fraud, or an abandoned homeless campfire.


28 posted on 05/02/2006 2:57:28 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: dead
Not exactly kidding, just a sad commentary on the current practice of summarily ruling out terrorism before all the debris have quit falling.
29 posted on 05/02/2006 2:59:07 PM PDT by null and void (American leftists are more concerned about regaining their power than with the safety of the country)
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To: El Gato

"Probably, unless it turns out to be some sort of "work accident", although those usually, but not always, go "BOOM"."

Hey I'm sorry I misunderstood you on the other thread.


30 posted on 05/02/2006 2:59:15 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: spunkets
Nice redevelopment opportunity. Get Vito Spatafore back from Vermont and we'll start Esplanade II with Carmine Jr.

- Tony S.
31 posted on 05/02/2006 3:01:36 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: magslinger

I suspect "Sicilian lightning" as the cause.


32 posted on 05/02/2006 3:02:09 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: El Gato

Now, that's a fire!

33 posted on 05/02/2006 3:02:28 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: dead

Don't look at me - I was away at the time.
34 posted on 05/02/2006 3:03:52 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (So long Danny - gone but not forgotten)
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To: bondjamesbond

Chelsea was jogging worrying about Bush' tax cuts and how it would make the Clinton Recession Worse.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


35 posted on 05/02/2006 3:05:59 PM PDT by bray (Racists for Rice '08)
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To: magslinger
I think I would rule out insurance fraud first.

You know what they call (or used to call when I was growing up) a 'Brooklyn fire'?

36 posted on 05/02/2006 3:07:06 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: garyhope
Brooklyn is a great place. Lots of nice people there.

Are you under some kind of duress or in immediate danger?

37 posted on 05/02/2006 3:07:25 PM PDT by Gumption
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To: TonyRo76

Shouldn't it be "You're On Fire!"


38 posted on 05/02/2006 3:07:34 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: dead

http://real.ny1.com:8080/ramgen/real4/0016D25A_060502_163911hi.rm


39 posted on 05/02/2006 3:09:56 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: magslinger

Precisely. Greenpoint is growing and gentrifying. It would be pretty sweet for a criminal-minded propertyowner if he could collect a ton of fire insurance on a ratty old warehouse and then turn around and sell the land it's on for another big payday.


40 posted on 05/02/2006 3:11:16 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Izzy Dunne
Most important - was Chelsea Clinton there?

Sick with worry, no doubt, over whether we'll have the money to rebuild the NYC waterfront in light of the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

41 posted on 05/02/2006 3:13:46 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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Brooklyn is a great place. Lots of nice people there.

I don't usually say this to strangers but I think you can cut back on the meds some.AWB

42 posted on 05/02/2006 3:13:52 PM PDT by Americanwolfsbrother (Minutemen- Building the fence YOUR government refuses to build.)
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To: Liberty Valance
Artie Buco just got a DWI and and little cocaine residue in his pocket,Stuff Happens
43 posted on 05/02/2006 3:14:31 PM PDT by cmsgop ( I love Scotch. .......Scotchy, Scotch, Scotch)
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To: BurbankKarl

Thanks for the link. Interesting information in that report about the owner (Mr. Gutman!) wanting to develop the space into retail and commercial space. Sure freed up some prime real estate.


44 posted on 05/02/2006 3:15:58 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

Looks like prime property for upscale condos to me.


45 posted on 05/02/2006 3:17:50 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Euro-American Scum
The Greenpoint Brookly waterfront area was just approved for re-development. It looks like the real estate developers decided to get off to a fast start.



46 posted on 05/02/2006 3:19:17 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: SuziQ

Greenpoint-Williamsburg Land Use and Waterfront Plan (Approved)

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/greenpointwill/greenoverview.shtml


47 posted on 05/02/2006 3:20:53 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Heh, and I didn't even know about that!


48 posted on 05/02/2006 3:24:00 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: dead
The two, students at Manhattan's High School for Environmental Studies, said they had often "hung out" in the warehouse that caved in.

A HS for environmental studies? What the? I'd check these two out first, since their brains have most probably been fried.

49 posted on 05/02/2006 3:24:43 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: dead

Drunken homeless or meth lab problem.


50 posted on 05/02/2006 3:31:18 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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