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Defending science education against intelligent design: a call to action
American Society for Clinical Investigation ^ | 01 May 2006 | Alan D. Attie, Elliot Sober, Ronald L. Numbers, etc.

Posted on 05/03/2006 8:23:06 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Maybe you also once met an atheist who said all that stuff about some God creating anything was crap.

That is what atheists usually believe and they usually say any talk of God is crap unless they are trying to hide in the weeds.

951 posted on 06/18/2006 5:48:37 AM PDT by gunsofaugust (How long since you have been to mass?)
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To: gunsofaugust
"Maybe you also once met an atheist who said all that stuff about some God creating anything was crap."

I never met one who thought that the CIA was developing a new drug to enslave all the *Darkies*, as he put it.

"That is what atheists usually believe and they usually say any talk of God is crap unless they are trying to hide in the weeds."

Since an atheist will by definition not believe in a God, why would it be strange that they don't accept any creation stories? When you think of it, the difference between an atheist and a theist is usually the fact that the atheist doesn't believe in one more God than the theist. Theists (Christians for example) think that all those creation stories from other religions are all crap.

BTW, why would an atheist hide in the weeds? If one doesn't believe that a God exists, there is nothing to shrink in fear from.
952 posted on 06/18/2006 5:58:11 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Who said atheist have any fear or respect for God?

Atheists hide in the weeds not out of fear of God, but for political reasons.

They also hide in the weeds about their atheism so that they do not have to confront the resulting logical moral ramifications of their atheism.

953 posted on 06/18/2006 7:25:08 AM PDT by gunsofaugust (Libertarians tend to be in agreement with Larry Flynt on legalities and moral issues.)
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To: gunsofaugust

"Who said atheist have any fear or respect for God?"

You implied it.

"Atheists hide in the weeds not out of fear of God, but for political reasons."

Take off the tinfoil, your brain will thank you.

"They also hide in the weeds about their atheism so that they do not have to confront the resulting logical moral ramifications of their atheism."

Please, no more tinfoil.

Now, go bother someone else.


954 posted on 06/18/2006 7:34:20 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
You implied it.

Hmmm, you are seeing boogiemen, then you brought up tinfoil. But I would never argue tinfoil with you, since you might live in a tin foil pyramid. Move out, your brain will thank you.

What was it that bothered you. Atheists do run from their world view, time after time. For political reasons and fear of confronting their lack of moral principles.

Goodbye and keep the faith.

955 posted on 06/18/2006 8:07:17 AM PDT by gunsofaugust (I know a coward when I see one.)
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To: gunsofaugust
"Hmmm, you are seeing boogiemen..."

No, that would be you.

"then you brought up tinfoil."

Because that is what you conspiracy types wear.

"What was it that bothered you."

The blindingly ignorant assumptions you made.

"Atheists do run from their world view, time after time."

Prove it.

"For political reasons and fear of confronting their lack of moral principles."

Speak for yourself. The people with the lowest moral principles I have seen here are those professing their high morals at the top of their lungs. That's why so many creationist/ID'ers have such a terrible time telling the truth.

"Goodbye and keep the faith."

And keep wearing that tinfoil. We're watching you!
956 posted on 06/18/2006 8:51:28 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Conspiracy?

I read your conspiracy theory and now more clearly understand your fascination with tinfoil.

I am not a 'creationist', I am an evolutionist, but I assume a creator, just like the Declaration of Independance talks about. Those old tinfoil wearing founding fathers, how dare they mention the creator.

The blindly ignorant assumptions you made.

Prove it. I'd like to hear about your atheistic morality (or you might have a faith of sorts). It would be a first for atheists if one ever had a concrete moral stance.

Better grab more tinfoil, you never know if there are more boogeymen out there.

957 posted on 06/18/2006 9:17:51 AM PDT by gunsofaugust (I know a coward when I see one.)
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To: gunsofaugust
"I am not a 'creationist', I am an evolutionist, but I assume a creator, just like the Declaration of Independance talks about."

Sure you are.

"Those old tinfoil wearing founding fathers, how dare they mention the creator."

No, you are a conspiracy nut because you think that atheists have this hidden agenda and are hiding their true beliefs for some sort of takeover.

"Prove it."

You prove atheists are running from their worldview, as you claimed. I asked first.

"I'd like to hear about your atheistic morality (or you might have a faith of sorts). It would be a first for atheists if one ever had a concrete moral stance."

It would be a first for a holier than thou type to imagine that there could be rational reason for a moral code.

Now, go bother someone else with your drivel. It took you over month to come back with a crap argument. Take another and try harder this time.
958 posted on 06/18/2006 9:23:59 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Sure you are.

I happen to be proud to be a Catholic from a family of good Catholics going back hundreds of years. We are hardly afraid to admit something as great as that. I know you understand the view we have concerning evolution. We agree with the Pope and Catholic scientists and scholars. But just in case you didn't know it, the Pope accepts evolution. We accept it as the plausable method God chose to use for His incredible creation. We teach that in our schools and there is no conflict with the Church and science, nor will there be. Now, go soak your head in tinfoil again because your own conspiracy theory is bunk.

No, you are a conspiracy nut because you think that atheists have this hidden agenda and are hiding their true beliefs for some sort of takeover.

Oh my, you are full of nonsense. I think atheists play games and I don't think they own up to what they really believe most of the time. They have nothing I have ever heard them say was their standard for morality other than the law of the jungle or majority rules. Please show me how that is some kind of conspiracy theory.

It would be a first for a holier than thou type to imagine that there could be rational reason for a moral code.

Holier than thou, lol, that is funny, and I am listening for the basis for your code as I finish a glass of wine.

This is the type of drivel I used to hear when atheists insisted on attacking Mother Theresa.

It took you over month to come back with a c**p argument. Take another and try harder this time.

It took me seconds to answer you the first time, once I logged back into here and read your guesswork, this time it was even easier. I have a life and responsibilities or maybe I would spend most days on here like you probably do, pushing my personal viewpoints. Your batting average is a solid zero since you are wrong once again, move out of the pyramid.

Goodbye again.

959 posted on 06/19/2006 2:21:07 PM PDT by gunsofaugust (I thought you said goodbye.)
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To: gunsofaugust
Buh Bye! You're not interested or capable of debate.

Now, please, bother someone else with your conspiracy drivel.
960 posted on 06/19/2006 2:48:02 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Oh, great comeback. At first, I didn't hear your powerful squeak from your lonely little world. See ya later Pip.


961 posted on 06/23/2006 12:43:12 AM PDT by gunsofaugust (The Pope is not going to bow to the liberals, nor should the faithful.)
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To: gunsofaugust
Are you illiterate as well as conspiracy prone? I said go away. You are beneath my contempt.

Now, Buh bye. :)
962 posted on 06/23/2006 4:53:32 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Your conspiracy theory evaporated from silliness, so you let out another sob as you twitted back under the tinfoil.

When the coast is clear, sneak back out to the porch and pick - - your nose. Unfortunately you can't stop writing me.

Contempt? You sound obsessed.

One more thing, your last goodbye sounded a little limp in the wrist, not that there's anything wrong with that,, uh,, sure.

Bye Alice.

963 posted on 06/23/2006 5:48:34 AM PDT by gunsofaugust (Moral liberals are the most repulsive excrement.)
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To: gunsofaugust
Buh bye! :)
964 posted on 06/23/2006 5:54:51 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

You outed yourself Alice.


965 posted on 06/23/2006 6:03:08 AM PDT by gunsofaugust (Moral liberals are the most repulsive excrement.)
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To: gunsofaugust

"You outed yourself Alice."

Ah, the *I have no rational argument, so you must be a Homo!* line of debate. Very typical of people with your peculiar obsession. Projection is a b%*%h, but when it's all you have... :)

Now, go bother someone else with your blather. I'll even let you get the last word, as people of your low mental ability need that sort of thing. :)


966 posted on 06/23/2006 7:16:55 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Ah, the *I have no rational argument, so you must be a Homo!* line of debate.

Alice, you are back for more.

First of all, for what its worth, I don't care if you are a Homo, as you put it. But if you are, just keep it completely to yourself please. I sure would appreciate it.

Second, you offered no rational argument for your view of right and wrong. That is like all other liberals hiding in the woodwork.

Since you can't produce an argument in defense of your brand of right and wrong, I know yours must be weak.

You persist in drooling on about your baseless conspiracy, don't you. How ironic for someone who tried to be a smarta$$, mouthing off about tinfoil while living in a tinfoil house.

Since you like to dish it out, you have to learn to take it Alice. You might try therapy if its not too late for you.

Goodbye Alice.

967 posted on 06/27/2006 8:20:47 AM PDT by gunsofaugust (Moral liberals are the most repulsive excrement.)
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To: gunsofaugust

Go away. You bore me with your moronic level of debate. Go troll someone else. And get some therapy for your homosexual obsessions. Or at least come out of the closet.


968 posted on 06/27/2006 8:25:33 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: PatrickHenry

LOL I didn't know evols were so skeered of us believers in God.


969 posted on 06/27/2006 8:43:38 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
I knew you were a real man? of your word. You even were so magnanimous to say you were giving me the last word, then your obsession called and you had to talk about homosexuality again.

Obsessions like yours will take some time to cure, but you need to make that appointment today. There are also some psychologists who say they can help you with your other bigger problem that I would appreciate you not talking to me about.

Goodbye Alice.

970 posted on 06/27/2006 8:51:34 AM PDT by gunsofaugust (Moral liberals are the most repulsive excrement.)
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To: gunsofaugust

"then your obsession called and you had to talk about homosexuality again."

You brought it up. Your obsessions are showing. Go seek help. Now, I will let you throw the last limp-wristed swat and your final lisping retort.


971 posted on 06/27/2006 9:20:13 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Alice, you earned that nickname just being yourself. But obsessions like yours are hard to manage and those deeper issues you revealed should be treated by a professional.

I never did get to hear your justification for right and wrong, since you don't have one, I can't blame you for remaining mum.

Now, when you get enough courage to make that doctor's appointment, don't go for the discount, you need the best mental help you can find.

After you get back on your feet, take up some things that normal, healthy men do and don't look back.

Goodbye Alice:)

972 posted on 06/27/2006 9:41:46 AM PDT by gunsofaugust (Moral liberals are the most repulsive excrement.)
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To: gunsofaugust
Alice, you earned that nickname just being yourself.

Priceless.

973 posted on 06/27/2006 9:57:32 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory.)
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