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Montenegro is no one's junior partner
Financial Times ^ | 3 May 2006 | Prime Minister Milo Djukanovic

Posted on 05/03/2006 10:18:06 AM PDT by mark502inf

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Yet another entity trying to break away from Serbia.
1 posted on 05/03/2006 10:18:09 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
Yet another entity trying to break away from Serbia...

...in response to the Clinton legacy that made a pariah out of the only state fighting the Islamofascists. (Fixed that for ya!)

What a mind-numbingly stupid policy for the US to have ever supported!

How'd you like their "Thank you" on 9/11/01?

2 posted on 05/03/2006 10:27:04 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: FormerLib
a pariah out of the only state fighting the Islamofascists

Knock off the Serb propaganda. The Slovenes, Croats, Macedonians, and now Montenegrins all wanted to get away from Serbia. And they are all Christian nations. Face facts, no non-Serbs--Christian or Muslim alike--wanted to remain under the rule of the Belgrade. That's why Serbia gets smaller every time anybody it once ruled is allowed to choose for themselves.

3 posted on 05/03/2006 10:42:49 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

You knock off the anti-Serb propaganda and I won't have to deflate your nonsense with a hefty dose of the truth.

If Montenegro splits from Serbia, they'll be instantly free of the sanctions our ill-conceived policies against Serbia have in place.

THAT is why there is any talk of Montenegro withdrawing.

Anyone capable of seeing the truth knows this as well, but the truth does not serve the pro-islamofascist cheerleaders very well, does it?


4 posted on 05/03/2006 10:53:48 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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The province of Quebec will no doubt be watching all of this.


5 posted on 05/03/2006 10:54:56 AM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; vooch; ...
Does he even know that Montenegrins are Serbs?
6 posted on 05/03/2006 10:56:14 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Republic_of_Secession.
And you better believe the reconquistas in Aztlan have been watching Kosovo with interest as well.

Flood a place with illegal immigrants, drive off the rightful owners, and then demand independence (to heck with Amnesty, let's just steal the whole enchilada!), it worked for the KLA, why not La Raza?

7 posted on 05/03/2006 10:58:42 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: mark502inf
Yet another idiotic attempt by mark at historical revisionism. You must be a glutton for punishment Sparky, history is obviously not your forte.

The Financial Times apparently doesn't know the feeling of the average Montenegrin, who are Serbs by the way, a little detail that apparently needs to be mentioned to the mentally impaired.

8 posted on 05/03/2006 11:03:16 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython
Yet another idiotic attempt by mark at historical revisionism.

Such as? Please use my words and be specific.

It is a fact that every part of the former Yugoslavia--Christian and Muslim--has conducted or is conducting a withdrawal operation from the Serbs. Most people want liberty from oppression and the freedom to run their own affairs. The non-Serb peoples of the Balkans are no different.

9 posted on 05/03/2006 11:18:06 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: FormerLib
...deflate your nonsense with a hefty dose of the truth. If Montenegro splits from Serbia, they'll be instantly free of the sanctions our ill-conceived policies against Serbia have in place.

Why don't you provide a "hefty dose of the truth" in the form of a list of all the sanctions the US has in place against Serbia. Good luck.

10 posted on 05/03/2006 11:34:13 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf; Banat; DTA; F-117A; getoffmylawn; kosta50; ma bell

How many times have you been busted so far trying to pander off your version of history? Banat has already bitch-slapped you on several occasions in fact, now you're simply embarrassing yourself.


11 posted on 05/03/2006 11:57:47 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: mark502inf
PEOPLE IN MONTENEGRO ARE SERBS!!

You are so dense!

12 posted on 05/03/2006 11:58:46 AM PDT by Lion in Winter (Violent islam is the same as plain islam. No peace at all.... Just mass mayhem.)
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To: mark502inf
Perhaps you can pawn this off to your Albanian benefactors, this new children's' clothing line is well suited for their cultural norms.


13 posted on 05/03/2006 12:03:04 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Lion in Winter
PEOPLE IN MONTENEGRO ARE SERBS!! You are so dense!

From the article above--written by the Prime Minister of Montenegro:

"Our mixed population - Montenegrins, Serbs, Bosniaks, Muslims, Albanians and Croats - stood together ... "

So Lion, perhaps you should write the Prime Minister a letter and educate him about his country.

14 posted on 05/03/2006 12:16:57 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: montyspython
Monty: Yet another idiotic attempt by mark at historical revisionism.

Mark: "Such as? Please use my words and be specific".

Still waiting, Monty.

15 posted on 05/03/2006 12:19:57 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
Me, write to a CIGARETTE SMUGGLER/PIMP!! Not a chance.... maybe the Italians will do so!!!
16 posted on 05/03/2006 12:23:15 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (Violent islam is the same as plain islam. No peace at all.... Just mass mayhem.)
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To: montyspython

I love Popeye's chichen too.... LOL!!


17 posted on 05/03/2006 12:24:19 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (Violent islam is the same as plain islam. No peace at all.... Just mass mayhem.)
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To: mark502inf

ping


18 posted on 05/03/2006 12:29:58 PM PDT by Sarajevo
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To: Sarajevo

STBBB2B!!


19 posted on 05/03/2006 12:38:11 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (Violent islam is the same as plain islam. No peace at all.... Just mass mayhem.)
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To: mark502inf

The level of discourse just keeps improving, doesn't it?


20 posted on 05/03/2006 12:46:21 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Hey, got those pancakes ready yet or do you need more time at the dentist?


21 posted on 05/03/2006 12:53:30 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: mark502inf

But didn't you tell me that the last of the sanctions would remain until Mladic and Karazdic were captured?

Did you get that wrong as well?


22 posted on 05/03/2006 12:54:44 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Hoplite
The level of discourse just keeps improving, doesn't it?

It sure can't get any worse! But then it does.

I had to stay up late and work the phone out to your part of the USA tonight, but it's after midnight now, so I'm hitting the rack.

23 posted on 05/03/2006 12:56:02 PM PDT by mark502inf
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It sure can't get any worse! But then it does.

What do you expect from the Soros fluffers and the Clinton kneepad brigade, anyway?

24 posted on 05/03/2006 12:59:46 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: mark502inf; FormerLib
You are naive about Balkan affairs and even worse embarrassing. Think about it.

Djukanovic has been a long time Commie (since his teens)joining with the League of Communists of Yugoslavia before joining the Central Committee of the League of Communists of Yugoslavia in 1979. He is a friend of the great slime Clinton.

He is a mafioso of the first order being investigated by the Italians for years.

In short he is everything that is abhorrent in the world and you go and glorify his words. Pretty yucky!
25 posted on 05/03/2006 1:05:50 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: mark502inf; FormerLib

Plus the mafioso Djukanovic is a liar when he says that montenegro was never under the Turks. In fact, similarly to Serbia, Montenegro was under the rule of the Ottoman Turks for the duration of their reign in the Balkans.

I guess he is fooling people like you markie but not the rest of us. Djuka must be thinking of Zeta - the Serbian independent principality that replaced the ancient Kingdom of Duklja.

In any case the Montenegrans are Serbians.


26 posted on 05/03/2006 1:17:59 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: mark502inf
Banat: link
DTA: link
kronos77: link
pusimikurac: (you never responded to him, however, his name certainly gets honorable mention here) link
getoffmylawn: link
Everybody: (you were smacked around pretty good on this thread) link
Everyone: (both you and the now banned Hunden received a nice as whupping on this one) link

Just a few tidbits. I think I shall go get some coffee now..

27 posted on 05/03/2006 1:19:37 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Hoplite

The head troglodyte speaks forth from his rectum, as usual.


28 posted on 05/03/2006 1:22:03 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: mark502inf
Hmmm... Milo Djukanovich. The chief mafioso from Montenegro. Miloshevich's best student. Sought by the Italian justice system for rampant cigarette-smuggling and white slavery. Caught with his pants down - twice - as his cronies tried to bribe two Montenegrin citizens in connection with the May 21 referendum. Why shouldn't we believe him, right? Give me a break.
29 posted on 05/03/2006 1:32:34 PM PDT by Banat (DEO • REGI • PATRIĆ)
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To: Banat
"Hmmm... Milo Djukanovich. The chief mafioso from Montenegro. Miloshevich's best student. Sought by the Italian justice system for rampant cigarette-smuggling and white slavery. Caught with his pants down - twice - as his cronies tried to bribe two Montenegrin citizens in connection with the May 21 referendum. Why shouldn't we believe him, right? Give me a break."

Add this post to the list...

30 posted on 05/03/2006 2:16:29 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: mark502inf

Muslim is a religious designation.


31 posted on 05/03/2006 2:46:10 PM PDT by F-117A
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To: mark502inf; Hoplite; All

Actually, Montenegrins are themselves Serbs. In fact, historically the pro-independence element of Montenegrin society, or 'Greens' based their pro-independence claims on the notion that the Montenegrins are purer or truer Serbs than their lowland brethren. Also, have you bothered to ask yourself if Djukanovic's motivation for independence is really pure...or something not all together savory.


32 posted on 05/03/2006 3:48:07 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (L. Ron Hubbard was a fake, a liar, a crook, and a piece of crap.)
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It involves my own small but fiercely proud multi-ethnic country, Montenegro, which was wiped off the map by the Allies after the first world war and forced to become part of the kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, which was renamed Yugoslavia.

"Fiercely proud"? Yes, fiercely proud center of Serbian identity and rebirth. If tiny Montenegro separates from Serba it will become prey to "multi-ethnic" (Albanian/Muslim etc ) forces.

BTW, Radovan Karadzic - the leader of Serbs in Bosnia is Montenegrin and so was Vuk Karadzic - the reformer of modern Serbian language. Others like current President of Serbia Boris Tadic and actress Milla Jovovich are Montenegrin too.

33 posted on 05/03/2006 3:59:08 PM PDT by A. Pole (If the lettuce cutters were paid $10 more per hour, the lettuce head would cost FIVE CENTS more.)
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Montenegrins all wanted to get away from Serbia.

So when the current President of Serbia Boris Tadic is going to get away? Is he under house arrest?

34 posted on 05/03/2006 4:01:10 PM PDT by A. Pole (If the lettuce cutters were paid $10 more per hour, the lettuce head would cost FIVE CENTS more.)
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Also Milosevic was a Montenegrin Serb by origin, (although born in Pozarevac, Serbia)


35 posted on 05/03/2006 4:25:04 PM PDT by A. Pole (If the lettuce cutters were paid $10 more per hour, the lettuce head would cost FIVE CENTS more.)
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To: Jacob Kell
Also, have you bothered to ask yourself if Djukanovic's motivation for independence is really pure...or something not all together savory.

Perhaps, but look at what the citizenry are looking at.

Former Yugoslav Republics, date of independence, & est. 2005 per capita GDP (PPP)

Slovenia: June '91 $21,000
Croatia: June '91 $11,600
Macedonia: September '91 $7,600
Bosnia: March '92 $6,800
Serbia & Montenegro $2,700

While some of that has to do with the north-west of former Yugoslavia being traditionally economically more developed, the majority of the difference is due to Serbia's inability to pursue a course of enlightened self interest. If you were a Montenegrin voter, how much weight would you give to ethnic solidarity vs. the fact that everybody in the neighborhood, to include Albanians, are economically better off than you are and the longer you wait for Serbia to get its sh*t together the further behind you're falling in relation to everybody else?

If it wasn't Djukanovic, it likely would have been someone else trying to free Podgorica from Belgrade's orbit.

36 posted on 05/03/2006 5:24:46 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Jacob Kell; FormerLib; eleni
Montenegro, the country whose financial stablity DEPENDS on cigarette smuggling and white slavery.

Lovely place.. SERBIA should toss them to the "curb"!!

37 posted on 05/03/2006 5:50:46 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (Violent islam is the same as plain islam. No peace at all.... Just mass mayhem.)
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To: montyspython
Another GREAT resource post! THANKS, I enjoyed the reading.

LOL.... mark should change his handle to "dumbbbbbbbb".

38 posted on 05/03/2006 5:52:27 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (Violent islam is the same as plain islam. No peace at all.... Just mass mayhem.)
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To: mark502inf

This isn't true. It appears that way. Long story short, the CIA got hold of Milosevic in the 1980's after he came to the U.S. and study banking. They turned him to politics and work to becoming president. Milo returned to Serbia but was turned back around by the Serbian nationalist to become a nationalist. The U.S. lost him, so, the Clinton Admin, Introduced the Muzzies from Afghanstan to Bosnia to stir up the Serbian rule, and fabricated much of what the Serbs are accused of. However, the Serbian leaders and paramilitaries got somewhat heavy handed and did execute without due process. This carried all the way to Croatia and certainly to the fabrications about Kosovo that people have seemed to forget about. People still believe that 8,000 Muslims were murdered in Srebrenica for example. The whole idea was and is to break up Yugoslavia enroute to the Russian states as well. The Albanians are working hard to bring about the Greater Albania, as their control of Montenegro will be to vote for Independence. Second, Kosovo independence, third; start rumors and accusations about how ill treated Albanians are in South Presevo (referred to as East Kosovo), and certainly provocations in the western part of Macedonia. I suspect that the powers that be are working to eliminate Macedonia by 2008 to 2010.

It has little to do with Serbian oppression. It has to do with provocation and exploitation. Ever since 1999, not one wimper of suppression was uttered from the Albanians in the Bujanovoc or Presevo. As a matter of fact, during the days of the UCPMB, one of the leaders, a criminal named Shifket Misliu, was threatened by Albanians in Presevo to leave them alone and stop asking for support of the UCPMB. These are the facts.............


39 posted on 05/03/2006 11:48:28 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: FormerLib

you are right on track...........keep moving on. good job.


40 posted on 05/03/2006 11:51:20 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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bingo.....they want a Greater Albania which equal a Mafia state, and I'm afraid supported by us. Second, we also have our eye on the two pipelines coming thru the Balkans. Another long story short.........So, do you think maybe he is just a little pro-Mafia.....:)


41 posted on 05/03/2006 11:55:37 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: mark502inf; Banat; DTA; F-117A; getoffmylawn; kosta50; ma bell
Mark, Communists introduced the Montenegrin 'nation' after 1945. After 50 or more years of raising children in lies telling them Montengrins are something other than Serbs, there are generations have been raise to believe that.

That was Tito's plan after all. Yugoslav encyclopedia from the late 1950's lists Montenegrins as one of the "constituent people's" of the (then) People's federative Republic of Yugoslavia (FNRY), of "Serbian origin."

The encyclopedia "scientifically" explains that in the process of struggling against the Nazi occupiers, the Montenegrins somehow "evolved" into a separate "ethnic" group, acquiring a separate national entity.

Communists were not the only ones exploiting this "nationalism." Italy had good reasons to seek support among Montenegrin chieftains, and so the the Croatian fascist regime, the Pavelic's Ustashas.

Montenegrin nationalists have a 'science" of their own -- although not recognized in any academic institution in the world. They claim they are actually Baltic people, unrelated to Serbs, who arrived in the area, a century before the Serbs did.

Given that there are only a handful of Montenegrin in the world, enough to fit into a mid-size American city (600,000 or so), one must wonder how big of a tribe of these Baltics was, given that Djukanovich is blabbering something about 1,000 years old Montenegrin history (whatever that means). At the average natality rate, I would say, the tribe must have been about 5 "Montenegrins" in all!

There is no doubt that many people in MOntenegro "feel" they are Montenegrin and Serbs, but in most cases it is the way Texans feel they are Texans and Americans. There are those who for various reasons want to see Montenegro and independent country and nation and so on -- they hide their personal ambitions behind false national and ethnic theories.

And they count on people like you to help them spread or at least dignify their cheap propaganda, portraying criminals like Djukanovich, a sly politician, as heroic and brave individuals who stood up against Serbian "oppression."

Anyone who knows history a even a little, and who is not blinded by serbophobia will recognize that Serbian and Montenergin history and statehoods is so intertwined that one would not exist without the other. For your information, Communist Yugoslavia did not allow Montenegrins to declare themselves as Serbs or as Serbs and Montenegrins. The Serbs who were officially recognized in Montenegro as Serbs were Serbians who moved there or who had direct ties with Serbia.

Until 1991, there were officially only 8% Serbs living in Montenegro. Today there are 32%. The last census allowed Montenegrins to declare themselves Serbs and Montenegrins as well, which accounts for the increase. If the census ballots were properly worded and people properly instructed in history without revisionism, the reality would be 100%.

42 posted on 05/04/2006 4:14:50 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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Absolutely spot on. Djukanovic is exploiting the communist version of history in order to bolster his position of power, in this sense, he is no better than Milosevic but yet Mark, just like Djukanovic and Milosevic, was also quick to exploit such a situation of an artificially created paranoia for his own agenda.


43 posted on 05/04/2006 8:33:21 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: mark502inf
Mark this thread is yet ANOTHER example of how you've been severely corrected on your historical revisionism.

Book marked for prosperity.

44 posted on 05/04/2006 8:36:37 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: tgambill

Tom, your post is a nicely condensed synopsis of the situation there.


45 posted on 05/04/2006 8:38:39 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython

Thank you.


46 posted on 05/04/2006 7:43:36 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: montyspython

thanks....so now what do we do before the independence is achieved? There are strong forces at work right now to thwart the independence bid.......


47 posted on 05/05/2006 3:43:51 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

Not much we personally can do except make sure that the truth doesn't die.


48 posted on 05/05/2006 8:16:28 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython

agreed..................


49 posted on 05/06/2006 12:46:07 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: mark502inf
mark, knock off your crap as well. just so happens the capital was located in Belgrade historically. If it were located in Zagreb, the same situation would have occurred but in reverse order with the Serbs not wanting to be ruled by Croats.

You and I both know that is true!

50 posted on 05/06/2006 5:32:21 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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