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Day Without an Immigrant gets mixed reaction in Napa (Illegals still take free services that day)
Napa Valley Register ^ | 5/2006 | JULISSA McKINNON AND CRISTINA DE LEON-MENJIVAR

Posted on 05/03/2006 11:52:50 AM PDT by skyman

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To: skyman

Try my response: "A Day Without An American"

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41 posted on 05/03/2006 2:19:01 PM PDT by LS
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To: dennisw

Yes.. and for me and my children, the only way we can go in for a teeth cleaning is if I have saved up $200-300 in cash and go in to the dentist and pay for it at the time of service. And to come up with the $200-300, we have to spend less at the grocery for several months and make sure a tank of gas stretches out for 2 weeks. Even though I pay taxes for all the services .. that Miguel and all of his illegal friends and family are getting. This angers me...


42 posted on 05/03/2006 2:34:43 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: azhenfud
You're working hard at proving yourself the anal one. When had I addressed YOU, specifically?

You didn't address me and I didn't address you.

I was responding to the person who made the quote you posted in #36. None of those words were directed at you. Had I quoted YOU, and said those same things, I can see you might be offended. But I didn't quote you. I only used your post to post my response to the quoted individual. I could also have gone all the way back to post #1 to do the same thing. Again, I would not have been calling that person a name, either.

Or, had I not quoted that other person, I can see that you might think my response was directed at you.

I was not responding to your comment at all. Sorry if you took it that way.

43 posted on 05/03/2006 2:46:34 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: HungarianGypsy

Your sister-in-law is wrong, you are correct. I received this email from a friend last week.......

The following from a director with SW BELL in Mexico City.

I spent five years working in Mexico.
I worked under a tourist visa for three months and could legally renew it for three more months. After that you were working illegally. I was technically illegal for three weeks waiting on the FM3 approval.

During that six months our Mexican and US Attorneys were working to secure a permanent work visa called a FM3. It was in addition to my US passport that I had to show each time I entered and left the country. Barbara's was the same except hers did not permit her to work.

To apply for the FM3 I needed to submit the following notarized originals (not copies) of my:
1. Birth certificates for Barbara and me.
2. Marriage certificate.
3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of graduation.
5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at least one year.
6. A letter from The ST. Louis Chief of Police indicating I had no arrest record in the US and no outstanding warrants and was "a citizen in good
standing."
7. Finally; I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated why there was no Mexican citizen with my skills and why my skills were important to Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on earth"
letter. It was fun to write.

All of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish and be certified as legal translations and our signatures notarized.
It produced a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side and Spanish on the right.

Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours accompanied by a Mexican attorney touring Mexican government office locations and being photographed and fingerprinted at least three times. At each location (and
we remember at least four locations) we were instructed on Mexican tax, labor, housing, and criminal law and that we were required to obey their laws or face the consequences. We could not protest any of the government's actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out four thousand dollars in fees and bribes to complete the process. When this was done we could legally bring in our household goods that were held by US customs in Loredo Texas. This meant we rented furniture in Mexico while awaiting our goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the company
paid.
We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates and under contract and compliance with Mexican law. We were required to get a Mexican drivers license. This was an amazing process. The company arranged for the licensing agency to come to our headquarters location with their photography and finger print equipment and the laminating machine. We showed our US license, were photographed and fingerprinted again and issued the license instantly after paying out a six dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving test and never received
instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction was never give a policeman your license if stopped and asked. We were instructed to hold it against the inside window away from his grasp. If he got his hands on it you
would have to pay ransom to get it back.

We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number of our FM3 as our ID number. The companies Mexican accountants did this for us and we just signed what they prepared. I was about twenty legal
size pages annually.

The FM 3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying more fees.

Leaving the country meant turning in the FM# and certifying we were leaving no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants, tickets
or liens) before our household goods were released to customs.

It was a real adventure and If any of our senators or congressmen went through it once they would have a different attitude toward Mexico.

The Mexican Government uses its vast military and police forces to keep its citizens intimidated and compliant. They never protest at their White
House or government offices but do protest daily in front of the United States Embassy. The US embassy looks like a strongly reinforced fortress and during most protests the Mexican Military surround the block with their men standing shoulder to shoulder in full riot gear to protect
the Embassy. These protests are never shown on US or Mexican TV. There is a large public park across the street where they do their protesting. Anything can cause a protest such as proposed law changes in California or
Texas.

Please feel free to share this with everyone who thinks we are being hard on illegal immigrants


44 posted on 05/03/2006 3:05:06 PM PDT by the mo (Look into the eyes of the DRAGON and dispair!!! Merlin / Excalibur)
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To: skyman
I see a problem here. I pay taxes too, but it doesn't entitle me to free government services. Since I am employed and have an income above the poverty level (barely) I don't get free dental work. Why do these people get this and why do they feel entitled to it just because they pay taxes.

Besides, do people who actually pay taxes all year then get double their money back at the end of the year really pay taxes? I am self employed, I get bent over at the end of each year even if I only brought home 25k.
45 posted on 05/03/2006 3:26:08 PM PDT by auntyfemenist (Card carrying conservative, William F. Buckley fan.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Could I get my crow well done?

I've a heap of an apology to offer you...I've turned quite an analist, myself.

Hugh apologies to you, RWA....

Az


46 posted on 05/03/2006 6:03:21 PM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: azhenfud

Az,
Hey, no problem. I've done the same thing myself, and I'm series! Think nothing of it. I'll have to be careful in the future how I begin my replies.
RWA



47 posted on 05/03/2006 6:13:01 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: skyman
"To unite ourselves with the rest of the Latino community, we're not doing any business today," Medina said in Spanish, taking a break from hosing down one of his two trucks' aluminum-plated interior in his back yard.

So, it's all about the Latino community. If most illegals were from Africa we would not here a peep from the Latino community.

48 posted on 05/03/2006 9:07:21 PM PDT by Razz Barry
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To: HungarianGypsy
The other day I heard one of these illegals on the news trying to say it was like the Jews in Nazi Germany in 1938. I don't think the guy had any clue what it must have been like if he was comparing the two.

Perhaps he was thinking of his own country's treatment of indiginous people:

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It turns out that racism in Mexico, both against blacks and dark-skinned indigenous Indians, has a long history. Mexico's colonial past has left its mark on modern-day society. Prejudice toward "pureblood" Indians from those who are "mixed-blood" (Spanish and Indian) is rife. Almost uniformly, people who are darker-skinned and of Indian descent make up the peasantry and working classes, while lighter-skinned, Spanish-descent Mexicans are in the ruling elite. Fox himself comes from that background, as his appearance makes evident.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2005/08/03/cstillwell.DTL

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Little known fact. I also hear that it's so bad, even the classifieds/help wanteds are racist? towards the Indians.

49 posted on 05/03/2006 9:26:30 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (ICE, ICE Baby.)
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To: sheana
She works as a cleaning woman. Yeah that high income profession pays a ton of taxes, considering the poverty level is $24k. You betcha. Keep trying to convince me you are paying more taxes than you are sucking up. Convince me your child is not on every social service program we have, expecially since you feel so entitled.

This winch likely gets earned income credit.

This is something I argue with a lot of Americans about. They pay a few dollars in sales tax and think they pay taxes. Most employers pay more tax (social security, Medicare, Workman's comp., unemployment...) on these employees than the employees do.

50 posted on 05/03/2006 9:26:36 PM PDT by Razz Barry
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