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Abolishing death penalty necessary, but not the end [Capital punishment=smoking=speeding]
Capital Times ^ | 5-3-06 | Adam Benforado

Posted on 05/03/2006 5:15:32 PM PDT by SJackson

The death penalty will be abolished.

Perhaps it won't be in time to save Clarence Hill, the condemned Florida man whose challenge to the constitutionality of existing lethal injection procedures was heard by the Supreme Court last week, but the death penalty is going to be abolished.

The United States is the last Western country to permit it. Many religious leaders, including the pope, have condemned it. The courts have been chipping away at it. And the public is increasingly against it.

It will be abolished, and when that happens, we will, no doubt, end up feeling rather civilized and enlightened. We will be a nation that, in the words of the late Supreme Court Justice Harry A. Blackmun, "no longer tinker(s) with the machinery of death."

Or so it would seem.

The problem is that, as a society, we make decisions to kill people all the time that have nothing to do with criminal justice or wars on terror, for that matter. Often, they involve the mundane details of our daily lives.

When the government decides not to lower the speed limit or not to ban cigarettes, it makes a decision to end life, just as it does when it elects to have capital punishment. We know that by choosing to continue our current policies, about 60 people will be executed this year, about 40,000 will be killed in vehicle accidents and about 400,000 will die of smoking-related conditions. We do not know who any of these people will be, but we know that they will die as a result of our collective decisions.

In their 1978 book "Tragic Choices," Judge Guido Calabresi of the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and Professor Philip Bobbitt of the University of Texas Law School suggested how difficult it is to regard an accident or smoking death as having been chosen by society. Although we have played a vital role in determining the outcome, we are not a recognizable character in the final individualized act.

The government is not driving the car that crosses the median at 60 mph, nor is it sitting at the bedside holding a cigarette to a person's lips. Part of the reason that capital punishment has been the focus of so much agitation is precisely because the government is putting the needle into the arm of the condemned inmate. It is, in essence, acting as both the judge and in those last salient moments the executioner.

Being concerned with society's role at the gallows is certainly important, as Columbia Law School Professor Jeremy Waldron pointed out recently in the context of torture. Establishing the perception of law as removed from brutality has been a major project in the Western world for centuries.

But if our primary interest is with preserving human life, we ought to be most worried about the role of the decision-maker and not with who ultimately pulls the trap door whether it is the state enforcing a sentence or a private actor making the fatal choice that we knew, statistically, someone was going to make.

When we set policy on health care, environmental protection or public transportation, we need to be fully aware that we are choosing something be it money, time or administrability over people's lives. These are lives that are just as real and just as savable as those of Clarence Ray Allen in California, Perrie Dyon Simpson in North Carolina, Marion Dudley in Texas, Marvin Bieghler in Indiana and Jaime Elizalde in Texas five of the men killed by lethal injection since January.

In a large society with diverse needs, making decisions about life and death may be inevitable, but such choices must not be made lightly. It is far easier to send a person to his death when you do not have to do the actual killing.

I we are to make good policy decisions ones that truly reflect our commitment to only ending life when we have to we must work to feel as responsible for the lung cancer victim as we do for the executed criminal. The day we abolish the death penalty will be a great day, but our work will be far from over.

Adam Benforado is a Frank Knox fellow at the Cambridge University Faculty of Law.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: capitalpunishment; coddingcriminals; coddlingcriminals; deathpenalty; enslavingfreepeople; idioticliberalcrap; imperialistleftists; liberalnannystate; moresocialistpap; whataboutabortion
Gives a whole new meaning to a last cigarette.

I guess burgers are OK.

Adam Benforado

Adam Benforado just graduated from Harvard Law School and is now trying to establish himself as a true modern renaissance man—that is, legal scholar, novelist, and third-string NFL quarterback (see jock photo on the left). His published work covers various topics that don’t interest people, including copepod morphology, the obesity epidemic, and esoteric poetry.

If you’ve been hankering to give Adam a piece of your mind after stumbling upon one of his lengthy—but, really, not too lengthy—musings in, say, Crustaceana or the Emory Law Journal, or if you need someone to hold a clipboard and look suitably inexperienced, Adam would love to hear from you. He will be a Knox Fellow at Cambridge in the fall and, consequently, requests that all correspondence be conducted by passenger pigeon.
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1 posted on 05/03/2006 5:15:34 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
But if our primary interest is with preserving human life, we ought to be most worried about the role of the decision-maker and not with who ultimately pulls the trap door whether it is the state enforcing a sentence or a private actor making the fatal choice that we knew, statistically, someone was going to make.

He's including abortion in this, right?

2 posted on 05/03/2006 5:20:00 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: SJackson

One thing I've been wondering about for a while is, would the American people be willing to "trade" a ban on capital punishment for a ban on abortion?


3 posted on 05/03/2006 5:22:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: SJackson

He is the perfect spokesman for the nanny government.


4 posted on 05/03/2006 5:23:01 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: SJackson

and when we catch Osama, let's just show how enlightened we are and let him go.


5 posted on 05/03/2006 5:24:37 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: SJackson
When the government decides not to lower the speed limit or not to ban cigarettes, it makes a decision to end life, just as it does when it elects to have capital punishment. We know that by choosing to continue our current policies, about 60 people will be executed this year, about 40,000 will be killed in vehicle accidents and about 400,000 will die of smoking-related conditions. We do not know who any of these people will be, but we know that they will die as a result of our collective decisions.

Oy! Where to start?

A government deciding to choose policy of restricting personal freedom or the fact that restricting freedom is a collective decision?

6 posted on 05/03/2006 5:25:21 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: wagglebee
One thing I've been wondering about for a while is, would the American people be willing to "trade" a ban on capital punishment for a ban on abortion?

I would because saving the life of the innocent must take precedence over giving the ultimate punishment to the guilty.

However with that I acknowledge that I would place the lives of other at greater risk then they would be if the death penalty was kept.

7 posted on 05/03/2006 5:28:36 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I am only an evil INTERN. I am still learning.)
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To: SJackson

Democrats merely want to execute the innocent, they only wish to abolish the death penalty for the guilty.


8 posted on 05/03/2006 5:29:10 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: HoosierHawk

Gimmee my beer and smokes, I'm hitting the highway! WHHHOOOWEEEEE!!!


9 posted on 05/03/2006 5:31:05 PM PDT by Pakeman (I'm 1/2 french 1/2 german. I don't know whether to attack or surrender!)
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To: gusopol3

No. Put them in the same cell..


10 posted on 05/03/2006 5:31:07 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Pakeman

Please fasten your seat belt.


11 posted on 05/03/2006 5:32:19 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: HoosierHawk

Gimmee my beer and smokes, I'm hitting the highway! WHHHOOOWEEEEE!!!


12 posted on 05/03/2006 5:32:23 PM PDT by Pakeman (I'm 1/2 french 1/2 german. I don't know whether to attack or surrender!)
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To: SJackson
The regret here is the usual one, here is an obvious statist, ie a person who believes that it is the state/society/culture that is the progenitor of rights and responsibility, and he is well on course to being a lawyer/judge/politician/office holder.

There is a maxim to governance at all levels and it is opaque to all statists, that once you give an order you have removed discretion and will always have to give that order in the future. The Founders tried to create a government of least action, strongly circumcised in its native powers so that few orders could be given.

After 2 centuries, this model has been so burdened by past decisions to expand powers that the 9th and 10th Amendments to the US Constitution are considered dead letters. This boy, powerful in his urge to make a more perfect world, appears eager to make more orders to make us happy and healthy and will either make us constrained and ill or learn from experience. I hope for the latter but fear the former!

13 posted on 05/03/2006 5:35:59 PM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I have thought a lot about this. Many in the pro-life movement, especially Catholics (and an increasing number of evangelicals), are opposed to capital punishment.

I am personally 100% opposed to abortion under any circumstances and at the same time, I am in favor of the death penalty. However, I can also appreciate the argument that if life without the possibility of parole TRULY means that the person will spend the remainder of their life in prison, that society is still protected.

I do believe that we will see capital punishment abolished within the next couple of decades regardless of how people feel. So, if this is inevitable, would it also make sense to preempt this with a Constitutional amendment that would spare in excess of one million innocent lives each year?


14 posted on 05/03/2006 5:36:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: SJackson
"I we are to make good policy decisions ones that truly reflect our commitment to only ending life when we have to we must work to feel as responsible for the lung cancer victim as we do for the executed criminal."

What a bunch of hooey, demagoguery and nonsense. He is trying to make the case against capital punishment and for socialized medicine all in the same stupid sentence.

Hey how about this pretty boy--the nanny state makes victims of some while it enslaves others...and that is irresponsible.
15 posted on 05/03/2006 5:40:48 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: SJackson
And the public is increasingly against it.

It's pretty obvious why this guy is "third-string."

16 posted on 05/03/2006 5:44:24 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Remember the Alamo!)
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To: wagglebee
I do believe that we will see capital punishment abolished within the next couple of decades regardless of how people feel.

I would not be so sure of that.

One of the poster children for keeping the death penalty is the one that escaped it, Manson. Can anyone doubt that he has kept spreading evil even though he is kept behind bars?

And I do not think you would find any takers on the other side.

17 posted on 05/03/2006 5:45:20 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I am only an evil INTERN. I am still learning.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

You have a point, I was just pondering.


18 posted on 05/03/2006 5:46:42 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: SJackson

Here's a thought. Let's ABOLISH Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Environmentalism, Homosexualism, and Political Correctness! Now we're talkin!


19 posted on 05/03/2006 5:48:44 PM PDT by Doc Savage (Of all these things you can be sure, only love...will endure.......................)
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To: Gabz

Ping

You might want to look at this.


20 posted on 05/03/2006 5:49:05 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: wagglebee
Many a bright idea has been born through pondering. It is a a vastly under utilized resource.

I would be for it if the other side would agree.

21 posted on 05/03/2006 5:52:29 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I am only an evil INTERN. I am still learning.)
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To: SJackson; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; Mears; ..

NANNY STATE ping!!!!!!!1

Thanks, Greybeard!!!!


22 posted on 05/03/2006 6:02:45 PM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: Graybeard58

Thanks, FRiend!!!!!


23 posted on 05/03/2006 6:04:13 PM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: SJackson
And the pervert who raped and tortured and strangled the little girl should be allowed to live his life being paid for by the people who work. (Not democrats they do not work, they get welfare) It is my opinion that people such as the murderer of the young girl in Florida should be killed the same way as they killed their victim.

If this person does not want people put to death for such crimes then maybe he and others like him should be forced to keep them in their house and save the rest of us a lot of money. As for the other deaths he mentioned I read nothing about STDs that are the result of individual actions. Should the government stop this also, as well as smoking and driving? Sounds like a Communist scheme to me.
24 posted on 05/03/2006 6:06:20 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Gabz

Oh, that just made me ill.


25 posted on 05/03/2006 6:26:38 PM PDT by patton (Once you steal a firetruck, there's really not much else you can do except go for a joyride.)
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To: Gabz; All

You gotta be kiddin' me. What a little commie.The kind of paradise he so dearly believes in, and wants to subject us to, has caused the death of more people than anything in the known universe. Socialism, communism, is, has, and will always be a tool of misery.

Think hitler, stalin, pol-pot, castro,etc.

Enlightened stooge, and the most dangerous kind of fool.


26 posted on 05/03/2006 6:36:56 PM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: wagglebee

"I can also appreciate the argument that if life without the possibility of parole TRULY means that the person will spend the remainder of their life in prison..."

But it doesn't and never will mean any given convict will never get out. Not as long as there are attorneys who feel their anointed mission in life is to "stick it to the man."

The movement to let old guys out of prison - "Who can they harm? Why pay for their healthcare? They've paid their debt to society" is just part of it. Peoples' memory is short - the pity thing enters into it - and the victim is forgotten.

The death penalty needs to be there. Even if only for creeps like Gacy. I wouldn't trade abortion for the death penalty if I could. Both are good fights that need to be fought. Let Congress horsetrade their principles, I won't trade mine.


27 posted on 05/03/2006 6:39:14 PM PDT by Felis_irritable
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To: SJackson; 383rr

The day we abolish the death penalty will be a great day, but our work will be far from over.




Yet another statement that sent chills up my spine.


28 posted on 05/03/2006 8:10:22 PM PDT by The Foolkiller (BSXL* The game that made the NFL irrelevant..)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

One thing I've been wondering about for a while is, would the American people be willing to "trade" a ban on capital punishment for a ban on abortion?



I would because saving the life of the innocent must take precedence over giving the ultimate punishment to the guilty.



Yes. I would, also, if I had to make a choice there. In a heartbeat.


29 posted on 05/03/2006 8:12:06 PM PDT by The Foolkiller (BSXL* The game that made the NFL irrelevant..)
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To: Gabz

"Adam Benforado is a Frank Knox fellow at the Cambridge University Faculty of Law."




I never DID trust those Frank Knox fellows !!!!!!!


30 posted on 05/03/2006 8:12:18 PM PDT by Mears
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To: wagglebee

Yeah, it would have to be life without parole (whatever happened to Hard Labor, by the way?) before Id go along with it myself. Then I'd trade it to do away with abortion.


31 posted on 05/03/2006 8:19:20 PM PDT by The Foolkiller (BSXL* The game that made the NFL irrelevant..)
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To: traviskicks

you arent going to freaking believe this guy/girl his/her email is in post one if you ping the list let them know


32 posted on 05/03/2006 9:42:07 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Gabz

the scariest part about this story is this man/woman is a lawyer so hes going to be involved in class actions as soon as he gets done with his football career. Interesting that he chose quarterback I suspect he chose that position because of where he gets to put his hand every play during the game (not that theres anything wrong with that)


33 posted on 05/03/2006 9:48:41 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: SJackson

"When the government decides not to lower the speed limit or not to ban cigarettes, it makes a decision to end life, just as it does when it elects to have capital punishment."

Wrong.

The death penalty saves the lives of innocents by making sure killers dont do it again and deterring other would-be killers from the crime.


34 posted on 05/03/2006 9:59:54 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Gabz
When we set policy on health care, environmental protection or public transportation, we need to be fully aware that we are choosing something be it money, time or administrability over people's lives.

administrability? I'm supposed to take this guy seriously?

35 posted on 05/04/2006 2:59:00 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: SJackson; Gabz

Oh, Brother! Haven't read claptrap like this since the last Nichols or McNally column, LOL!

People like this are dangerous and destructive to society. And can his bio be any more full of himself? Yeesh. He's certainly "all that" isn't he? *Rolleyes*

Wonder when he last got laid? LOL!


36 posted on 05/04/2006 5:41:58 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: The Foolkiller

"Yet another statement that sent chills up my spine."

My God, You ain't a kidding.



37 posted on 05/04/2006 9:46:09 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: SJackson

This is what we teach our children. Society is caving in to nannies because we won't even let our kids out of the yard. They grow up used to being strictly controlled, and they demand control from government, which is more than happy to oblige.


38 posted on 05/04/2006 9:50:19 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Gabz
So in this Lord Fauntleroy's suffocating Utopia, we'd care deeply, so deeply about Richard Speck (no photo of him with his taxpayer bought breasts is available):

and shun this one:


39 posted on 05/04/2006 12:20:03 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: SJackson

Adam needs to come hang out in Pittsburgh as a regular human being for a while. He's out of touch.


40 posted on 05/04/2006 12:22:23 PM PDT by Glenn (There is a looming Tupperware shortage. Plan appropriately.)
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