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New Poll: Americans Prefer House Approach on Immigration
U.S. Newswire ^ | 5-3-2006 | Steven Camarota

Posted on 05/03/2006 7:45:44 PM PDT by nckerr

WASHINGTON, May 3 /U.S. Newswire/ -- A new Zogby poll of likely voters, using neutral language (i.e., avoiding the words "amnesty" or "illegal alien"), finds that Americans prefer the House of Representatives' enforcement-only bill by 2-1 over Senate proposals to legalize illegal immigrants and greatly increase legal immigration. The poll was conducted for the Center for Immigration Studies. Complete results are on line at:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/2006poll.html.

-- On immigration generally, Americans want less, not more, immigration. Only 26 percent said immigrants were assimilating fine and that immigration should continue at current levels, compared to 67 percent who said immigration should be reduced so we can assimilate those already here.

-- While the Senate is considering various bills that would increase legal immigration from 1 million to 2 million a year, only 2 percent of Americans believe current immigration is too low. This was true for virtually every grouping in the survey by ethnicity, income, age, religion, region, party, or ideology.

-- When offered by itself, there is strong support for the House bill: 69 percent said it was a good or very good idea when told that it tries to make illegals go home by fortifying the border, forcing employer verification, and encouraging greater cooperation with local law enforcement, while not increasing legal immigration; 27 percent said it was a bad or very bad idea.

-- Support for the House approach was widespread, with 81 percent of Republicans, 72 percent of independents, 57 percent of Democrats, and 53 percent of Hispanics saying it was good or very good idea.

-- When offered by itself, there is also some support for the Senate approach, though not as much as for the House bill: 42 percent said the Senate approach was a good or very good idea when told it would allow illegal immigrants to apply for legal status provided they met certain criteria, and it would significantly increase legal immigration and increase enforcement of immigration laws; 50 percent said it was a bad or very bad idea.

-- There were few groups in which a majority supported the Senate plan, even when presented by itself. Exceptions included Hispanics, 62 percent of whom said it was a good or very good idea, and the most liberal voters (progressives), 54 percent of whom approved of it.

-- When given three choices (House approach, Senate approach, or mass deportation), the public tends to reject both the Senate plan and mass deportations in favor of the House bill; 28 percent want the Senate plan, 12 percent want mass deportations, while 56 percent want the House approach.

-- But when given a choice between just the House and Senate approaches, without the choice of mass deportations, the public prefers the House approach 64 percent to 30 percent.

-- One reason the public does not like legalization is that they are skeptical of the need for illegal-immigrant labor. An overwhelming majority of 77 percent said there are plenty of Americans to fill low-wage jobs if employers pay more and treat workers better; just 15 percent said there are not enough Americans for such jobs.

-- Another reason the public does not like Senate proposals to legalize illegals and double legal immigration is that 73 percent said they had little or no confidence in the ability of the government to screen these additional applicants to weed out terrorists and criminals.

-- The public also does not accept the argument we have tried and failed to enforce the law: 71 percent felt that past enforcement efforts have been "grossly inadequate," while only 19 percent felt we had made a "real effort" to enforce our laws.

The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent, non-partisan research organization which examines and critiques the impact of immigration on the United States.

http://www.usnewswire.com/


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; bordersecurity; bushamnesty; hr4437; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; immigrationpoll; immigrationreform; invasionusa; openborders; zogby
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Go Tancredo and the rest of you "real" Republican in the house!!!
1 posted on 05/03/2006 7:45:48 PM PDT by nckerr
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To: nckerr

Good news, that is if congress pays any attention.

>>-- While the Senate is considering various bills that would increase legal immigration from 1 million to 2 million a year, only 2 percent of Americans believe current immigration is too low<<

You cant look at the legal and illegal numbers seperately - we need to look at the total.


2 posted on 05/03/2006 7:50:05 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: nckerr

This is one Zogby poll that's dead on arrival. If it is reported at all it will be with spin that will make you wonder if it's the same poll you read here or if it's from another planet entirely.


3 posted on 05/03/2006 7:50:54 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: nckerr

I wonder if the Republicans have read this. They should read it; November will be here before they know it.


4 posted on 05/03/2006 7:51:14 PM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: nckerr; AZRepublican; flashbunny; Stellar Dendrite; kellynla; ARCADIA; DumpsterDiver; ...
-- Support for the House approach was widespread, with 81 percent of Republicans, 72 percent of independents, 57 percent of Democrats, and 53 percent of Hispanics saying it was good or very good idea.

HELLO Ken Mehlman, Karl Rove, President Bush!! Are you listening??

5 posted on 05/03/2006 7:52:44 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: nckerr
It's sometimes hard trust that the American public are still thinking outside of the PC Orwellian NEWSPEAK box.

This gives me hope that most people are sensible, and remain the foundation for a great country. It's the politicians, and political movements that are destroying our future.
6 posted on 05/03/2006 7:53:46 PM PDT by catbertz
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To: nckerr

OK, let's assume we make illegally being in the United States a felony.

What percentage of illegal aliens should be incarcerated?


7 posted on 05/03/2006 7:55:07 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: nckerr
Go Tancredo and the rest of you "real" Republican in the house!!!

Yeah, you three guys are the best!

8 posted on 05/03/2006 7:58:22 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
OK, let's assume we make illegally being in the United States a felony. What percentage of illegal aliens should be incarcerated?

Any of them that won't leave, and are stopped for any infraction of the law. Sounds fair to me.

9 posted on 05/03/2006 7:58:52 PM PDT by cabojoe
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To: cabojoe
Any of them that won't leave, and are stopped for any infraction of the law. Sounds fair to me.

OK.

The illegal aliens decide to call your bluff and don't leave.

So, what percentage do you think would get stopped for any infraction of the law?

10 posted on 05/03/2006 8:00:31 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

If you take away the freebies and make it economically unfeasible to employ illegals (i.e., fine employers of illegals), then incarcerating illegals should be a moot point.


11 posted on 05/03/2006 8:02:05 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: nckerr

But, didn't we read a few days ago that Hastert was caving and putting people on the conference committee that would go along with the Senate side?


12 posted on 05/03/2006 8:03:09 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Enough to get the word out that it's not wise to break our laws by entering illegally.


13 posted on 05/03/2006 8:04:06 PM PDT by cabojoe
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To: randog
If you take away the freebies and make it economically unfeasible to employ illegals (i.e., fine employers of illegals), then incarcerating illegals should be a moot point.

Fining employers sounds easy in principle, but is extremely difficult in practice. The prosecution must prove that the employer KNOWINGLY hired an illegal alien, and that means proving a specific state of mind--and that is almost impossible absent an employer confessing.

14 posted on 05/03/2006 8:05:55 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: cabojoe
Enough to get the word out that it's not wise to break our laws by entering illegally.

How many is that? Give me a hard number.

15 posted on 05/03/2006 8:06:19 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
But, didn't we read a few days ago that Hastert was caving and putting people on the conference committee that would go along with the Senate side?

If so, I guess that means that he no longer wants to be Speaker of the House.

16 posted on 05/03/2006 8:07:25 PM PDT by sangoo
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

I'm not saying that we should round em up like we did to the Japanese, but if they have an encounter with law enforcement, they should be subject to the laws they have broken. Just like you and I are.


17 posted on 05/03/2006 8:07:48 PM PDT by cabojoe
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To: nckerr
Wow with numbers like this, Bush will definitely oppose this bill!
18 posted on 05/03/2006 8:09:21 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: cabojoe
I'm not saying that we should round em up like we did to the Japanese, but if they have an encounter with law enforcement, they should be subject to the laws they have broken. Just like you and I are.

You keep dodging the question.

One more time: how many illegal aliens do you propose to incarcerate once they call your bluff?

How many do you think will be incarcerated under this proposal?

Give me a number.

19 posted on 05/03/2006 8:09:33 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

I don't have my crime statistics handbook with me right now, but I would assume you could google it.


20 posted on 05/03/2006 8:10:04 PM PDT by cabojoe
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To: Sir Gawain

Once upon a time, FReepers used to deride Clinton for governing solely by focus group and poll results.


21 posted on 05/03/2006 8:10:33 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: cabojoe
I don't have my crime statistics handbook with me right now, but I would assume you could google it.

How many people do you propose to jail under this proposal? Just give me a number.

22 posted on 05/03/2006 8:11:44 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Sometimes (shock), the majority of Americans are actually right.


23 posted on 05/03/2006 8:12:01 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Look what ICE did to the immigrant communities with only a handful of employer/employee arrests. It put the fear of deportation into them. Do it long enough and they will leave.


24 posted on 05/03/2006 8:12:01 PM PDT by steel_resolve (Illegal aliens donít take jobs Americans wonít; they take wages Americans wonít)
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To: nckerr
Americans prefer the House of Representatives' enforcement-only bill by 2-1 over Senate proposals to legalize illegal immigrants and greatly increase legal immigration.

Looks like those marches didn't do all that much good.

25 posted on 05/03/2006 8:12:08 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Fining employers sounds easy in principle, but is extremely difficult in practice.

No it isn't.

26 posted on 05/03/2006 8:12:27 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Hello,

How about this idea? We govern by enforcing the existing law. It is not hard if you put your mind to it.

Glad to be here, MOgirl
27 posted on 05/03/2006 8:13:07 PM PDT by MOgirl (Democrats: The Culture of Treason (and you know what I'm talkin about!))
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To: sangoo
Here I'd been hoping he was better at holding his ground than Frist... then I remembered how he promised if Sensenbrener took immigration out of a bill they were voting on a year ago the first thing they would do when they reconvened after Christmas Break would be Immigration... that was Christmas 2004!
28 posted on 05/03/2006 8:13:21 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: steel_resolve
Look what ICE did to the immigrant communities with only a handful of employer/employee arrests. It put the fear of deportation into them. Do it long enough and they will leave.

At what percentage of illegals incarcerated will the remainder volunteer for permanent poverty and unemployment? Give me a number.

29 posted on 05/03/2006 8:13:30 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Like I said...if they have an encounter with law enforcement, and if they are made felons by law, incarcerate however many are found. That's what happens to you and I.
30 posted on 05/03/2006 8:13:39 PM PDT by cabojoe
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To: Mike Darancette
Actually, they probably did a lot of good- for us. It's like we've always said- the worst thing that can happen to liberalism is people finding out what it actually stands for.
31 posted on 05/03/2006 8:14:10 PM PDT by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
One more time: how many illegal aliens do you propose to incarcerate once they call your bluff?

0% Don't incarcerate them, deport them (and any ILLEGALS here with them) on the spot!

How many do you think will be incarcerated under this proposal?

>10% Unfortunately.

32 posted on 05/03/2006 8:14:13 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
You don't have to incarcerate anyone, just hold employers to the letter of the law and start prosecuting them...

However, Arpaio isn't concerned, he plans to utilize tent city for the illegals his posse' is rounding up.

33 posted on 05/03/2006 8:14:52 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: MOgirl
How about this idea? We govern by enforcing the existing law. It is not hard if you put your mind to it.

It's not hard if you don't have to actually do the work.

34 posted on 05/03/2006 8:15:13 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: MOgirl
How about this idea? We govern by enforcing the existing law.

Now that's just absurd. Enforcing the law might set a bad example and then we'll be expected to always enforce the law. It's a slippery slope.

35 posted on 05/03/2006 8:15:30 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

We got to do something?So how many people we let come across our border?We don't even know who these people are?They could be criminals fleeing mexico for one thing?Every
other country in the world controls their borders except the politically incorrect United States.When will America wake up?


36 posted on 05/03/2006 8:16:11 PM PDT by revelatorman (borders)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

I agree. Enforcing the law is really hard. We should just let it go.


37 posted on 05/03/2006 8:16:41 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Arizona Carolyn
You don't have to incarcerate anyone, just hold employers to the letter of the law and start prosecuting them...

The letter of the law requires the prosecution to prove, BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT, that the employer knew for a fact that he was hiring an illegal alien. Let's see you do it.

38 posted on 05/03/2006 8:16:47 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: DTogo
0% Don't incarcerate them, deport them (and any ILLEGALS here with them) on the spot!

OK, so you favor the existing program of catch however many you can (i.e., very few) and release.

39 posted on 05/03/2006 8:17:47 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
However, Arpaio isn't concerned, he plans to utilize tent city for the illegals his posse' is rounding up.

I read about that today. Should be fun to watch.

40 posted on 05/03/2006 8:18:16 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Actually, it wouldn't be that difficult to prove, amazing what shows up when you do an indepth audit in a corporation.


41 posted on 05/03/2006 8:18:23 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse; cabojoe
The illegal aliens decide to call your bluff and don't leave.

So, what percentage do you think would get stopped for any infraction of the law?

That straw-man argument is really getting old.

If employers are given a straightforward way to check the immigration status of new hires, and face punitive fines if they're caught cheating, the pressure will be on the illegals to return because they just can't find work. Nobody deported, nobody incarcerated, and we won't have to listen to your spurious argument any more.

Sheesh.

42 posted on 05/03/2006 8:18:26 PM PDT by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Hello,

Well, I admit it, you have sparked my curiousity. What do you propose? What is your solution?

Glad to be here, MOgirl
43 posted on 05/03/2006 8:19:10 PM PDT by MOgirl (Democrats: The Culture of Treason (and you know what I'm talkin about!))
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To: revelatorman
Just answer the question, willya? What percentage of illegals do you propose to incarcerate?

I swear, there must be some reason everyone runs away screaming like banshees when the question gets asked...

44 posted on 05/03/2006 8:19:18 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: nckerr
I was going to ask where the "Captain Obvious" cartoon guys are until I read this:

-- Support for the House approach was widespread, with 81 percent of Republicans, 72 percent of independents, 57 percent of Democrats, and 53 percent of Hispanics saying it was good or very good idea.

I figured 40%, not over half.

45 posted on 05/03/2006 8:19:57 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20)
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To: randog

I love Sheriff Joe -- we need more American's in positions of power with his attitude; I might mention that he wasn't always this concerned about the illegal problem, but it's become such a crime issue here in AZ...


46 posted on 05/03/2006 8:20:14 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

No, I would favor a more pro-active program of trying to catch more and deporting them immediately back to their country of origin. No release, no future court date, just bye-bye.


47 posted on 05/03/2006 8:20:36 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: MOgirl
Right now, I merely propose that you answer the question I asked--namely, how many illegals do you propose to incarcerate as felons under the proposed law that makes illegal presence in the US a felony?

Why is giving a simple answer to a simple question so hard?

48 posted on 05/03/2006 8:20:39 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: DTogo
No, I would favor a more pro-active program of trying to catch more and deporting them immediately back to their country of origin. No release, no future court date, just bye-bye.

Followed by "Hello again" a few weeks later.

Like I said, it's catch very few and release.

Felonies that have zero punishment attached to them are not enforceable.

So, how many illegal aliens do you propose to incarcerate under this proposal?

49 posted on 05/03/2006 8:22:28 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Sir Gawain
Hello,

That's right, my goodness, I had forgotten. So tomorrow, when I hold up the local 7-11, I have the excuse that it is really too HARD to uphold the law. And when someone breaks into my home and steals from me, by God, I won't be upset when that person is rewarded for it, they just wanted a better life. I think I have it all figured out now, thanks!

Glad to be here, MOgirl
50 posted on 05/03/2006 8:24:35 PM PDT by MOgirl (Democrats: The Culture of Treason (and you know what I'm talkin about!))
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