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New Poll: Americans Prefer House Approach on Immigration
U.S. Newswire ^ | 5-3-2006 | Steven Camarota

Posted on 05/03/2006 7:45:44 PM PDT by nckerr

WASHINGTON, May 3 /U.S. Newswire/ -- A new Zogby poll of likely voters, using neutral language (i.e., avoiding the words "amnesty" or "illegal alien"), finds that Americans prefer the House of Representatives' enforcement-only bill by 2-1 over Senate proposals to legalize illegal immigrants and greatly increase legal immigration. The poll was conducted for the Center for Immigration Studies. Complete results are on line at:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/2006poll.html.

-- On immigration generally, Americans want less, not more, immigration. Only 26 percent said immigrants were assimilating fine and that immigration should continue at current levels, compared to 67 percent who said immigration should be reduced so we can assimilate those already here.

-- While the Senate is considering various bills that would increase legal immigration from 1 million to 2 million a year, only 2 percent of Americans believe current immigration is too low. This was true for virtually every grouping in the survey by ethnicity, income, age, religion, region, party, or ideology.

-- When offered by itself, there is strong support for the House bill: 69 percent said it was a good or very good idea when told that it tries to make illegals go home by fortifying the border, forcing employer verification, and encouraging greater cooperation with local law enforcement, while not increasing legal immigration; 27 percent said it was a bad or very bad idea.

-- Support for the House approach was widespread, with 81 percent of Republicans, 72 percent of independents, 57 percent of Democrats, and 53 percent of Hispanics saying it was good or very good idea.

-- When offered by itself, there is also some support for the Senate approach, though not as much as for the House bill: 42 percent said the Senate approach was a good or very good idea when told it would allow illegal immigrants to apply for legal status provided they met certain criteria, and it would significantly increase legal immigration and increase enforcement of immigration laws; 50 percent said it was a bad or very bad idea.

-- There were few groups in which a majority supported the Senate plan, even when presented by itself. Exceptions included Hispanics, 62 percent of whom said it was a good or very good idea, and the most liberal voters (progressives), 54 percent of whom approved of it.

-- When given three choices (House approach, Senate approach, or mass deportation), the public tends to reject both the Senate plan and mass deportations in favor of the House bill; 28 percent want the Senate plan, 12 percent want mass deportations, while 56 percent want the House approach.

-- But when given a choice between just the House and Senate approaches, without the choice of mass deportations, the public prefers the House approach 64 percent to 30 percent.

-- One reason the public does not like legalization is that they are skeptical of the need for illegal-immigrant labor. An overwhelming majority of 77 percent said there are plenty of Americans to fill low-wage jobs if employers pay more and treat workers better; just 15 percent said there are not enough Americans for such jobs.

-- Another reason the public does not like Senate proposals to legalize illegals and double legal immigration is that 73 percent said they had little or no confidence in the ability of the government to screen these additional applicants to weed out terrorists and criminals.

-- The public also does not accept the argument we have tried and failed to enforce the law: 71 percent felt that past enforcement efforts have been "grossly inadequate," while only 19 percent felt we had made a "real effort" to enforce our laws.

The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent, non-partisan research organization which examines and critiques the impact of immigration on the United States.

http://www.usnewswire.com/


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; bordersecurity; bushamnesty; hr4437; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; immigrationpoll; immigrationreform; invasionusa; openborders; zogby
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

So what's your answer! Just let it go! Employers who knowingly hire illegals can be prosecuted and have been prosecuted.


51 posted on 05/03/2006 8:25:36 PM PDT by lonedawg (why does that rag on your head say holiday inn?)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Are you saying there is nothing we can do about the invaders and the outlaw employers so we should surrender?


52 posted on 05/03/2006 8:25:51 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: Starve The Beast
Why does everyone go to such lengths to avoid answering a simple question?
53 posted on 05/03/2006 8:26:20 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: nckerr; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...


HR4437 Ping!

Smart people go for border enforcement!

54 posted on 05/03/2006 8:27:04 PM PDT by HiJinx (Remember the Maine! Remember the Alamo! Remember Herndon!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Zero; they should be sent back to where they came from.


55 posted on 05/03/2006 8:27:14 PM PDT by lonestar (Me, too--Weinie)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Just answer the question, willya? What percentage of illegals do you propose to incarcerate?
why are you asking that stupid question over and over- arrest as many as you find! At least enough until they and employers get the hint. How many murderers and rapist and burglars and home invaders should we arrest??? How about until the number dwindles!
56 posted on 05/03/2006 8:27:20 PM PDT by nckerr (Proud Christian Conservative Soldier)
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To: lonedawg
Employers who knowingly hire illegals can be prosecuted and have been prosecuted.

Not easily, and not very many. It must be proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that a company knowingly hired illegals.

It's very tough to prove, especially when the illegal has all the official papers the government says he needs.

57 posted on 05/03/2006 8:27:51 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: lonedawg

Why does everyone go to such great lengths to refuse to answer a simple question? How many illegal aliens do you propose to incarcerate?


58 posted on 05/03/2006 8:27:56 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: HiJinx

Keep sending your representatives bricks in the mail as a hint.


59 posted on 05/03/2006 8:28:17 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
One more time: how many illegal aliens do you propose to incarcerate once they call your bluff?

O'Reilly had that really cool Sheriff from AZ on tonight. He's going to lock up all the illegals he can find in tents by using posse-men. O'Reilly asked him what he would do if he caught 20,000 and the Sheriff replied, "I'll build tents from here to the border if I have to."

60 posted on 05/03/2006 8:28:37 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

What we need is Congress to pass some fast track law and processing To get these folks back across the border and do it legally.I mean we need a law thats says you can't prove you are a citizen then deport.We need a law that says you don't get a court date cause you are not even a citizen so it won't get tied in the courts.This is a serious national issue.The reason i am passionate about it is because all this thing is the Mexican's government attempt to repopulate the southwest USA and our politicians and the president himself are just as guilty as letting it happen.Bottom line i do not want Mexico's interference in our nation and politics.


61 posted on 05/03/2006 8:28:50 PM PDT by revelatorman (borders)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Just because you don't like our answers doesn't mean we haven't answered you. I'll type real slow for you...incarcerate and/or deport however many that have run ins with law enforcement. I'm not god, and I can't forsee how many will have run ins. I've yet to get a speeding ticket and have the judge let me off the hook because too many tickets were handed out that day.


62 posted on 05/03/2006 8:28:53 PM PDT by cabojoe
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
So, how many illegal aliens do you propose to incarcerate under this proposal?

Same answer: 0%

I also favor the "Great Wall" option, so there would be far, far fewer repeat offenders.

And at such time, after the border is secure and laws are being enforced, perhaps a guest worker program could be discussed. But not for those already deported once.

63 posted on 05/03/2006 8:29:45 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: randog

It's all a matter of will.


64 posted on 05/03/2006 8:29:46 PM PDT by luvbach1 (More true now than ever: Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: HiJinx; nicmarlo; Serenissima Venezia; onyx; kstewskis
Smart people go for border enforcement!

bttt

65 posted on 05/03/2006 8:30:01 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: nckerr
why are you asking that stupid question over and over- arrest as many as you find!

OK, you obviously didn't read the question, because you didn't answer it. I'll put the critical words in capital letters and give you another try. I ask the question over and over because NO ONE BOTHERS TO GIVE AN ANSWER.

How many illegal aliens do you propose to INCARCERATE (i.e., PUT IN PRISON AFTER CONVICTION OF THE FELONY OF ILLEGALLY BEING IN THE US) under this proposal?

66 posted on 05/03/2006 8:30:14 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: HiJinx

Bttt


67 posted on 05/03/2006 8:30:17 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: cabojoe

Good answer to pale horses retarded question


68 posted on 05/03/2006 8:30:32 PM PDT by nckerr (Proud Christian Conservative Soldier)
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To: sinkspur

If an employer has 100 employees and 90 of them are illegal it's pretty much obvious he knew he was hiring illegals.


69 posted on 05/03/2006 8:30:46 PM PDT by lonedawg (why does that rag on your head say holiday inn?)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

How is putting a numrical limit on enforcing laws a simple question?? It's not simple, it's idiotic.

How many bank robbers would you incarcerate??
How many terrorists would you incarcerate?
How many corrupt politicians would you incarcerate?
How many tax evaders would you incarcerate?

Just give me hard numbers.


70 posted on 05/03/2006 8:31:28 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
It's not hard if you don't have to actually do the work.

What's that got to do with it. There is probably millions of professions that are so dangerous that life and death is dealt with daily. Law enforcement is just but one. If a law enforcement officer doesn't like the odds, then get the hell out. I was in it for 27 years.

71 posted on 05/03/2006 8:31:29 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Czar; Borax Queen
-- On immigration generally, Americans want less, not more, immigration. Only 26 percent said immigrants were assimilating fine and that immigration should continue at current levels, compared to 67 percent who said immigration should be reduced so we can assimilate those already here.

Oh czar......isn't this what you just told some OBLer earlier today?

72 posted on 05/03/2006 8:31:31 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
why are you asking that stupid question over and over- arrest as many as you find! OK, you obviously didn't read the question, because you didn't answer it. I'll put the critical words in capital letters and give you another try. I ask the question over and over because NO ONE BOTHERS TO GIVE AN ANSWER. How many illegal aliens do you propose to INCARCERATE (i.e., PUT IN PRISON AFTER CONVICTION OF THE FELONY OF ILLEGALLY BEING IN THE US) under this proposal?

As many as it takes. So now let me say this in all caps- QUIT ASKING YOUR RETARDED QUESTION
73 posted on 05/03/2006 8:32:39 PM PDT by nckerr (Proud Christian Conservative Soldier)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Hello,

First, I never stated, ever, that I agreed with the proposal that would immediately make each illegal a felon, however, read on:

After the border is sealed, and after the employers who (also) break our laws are prevented from doing so, after giving the illegals the opportunity to return to their true home: As many as refuse to go. There, I answered your question.

And, I asked you a simple question as well, care to answer it? Up to it?

Glad to be here, MOgirl
74 posted on 05/03/2006 8:32:51 PM PDT by MOgirl (Democrats: The Culture of Treason (and you know what I'm talkin about!))
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Because it's a pretty lame question! How many illegal alien welfare recipients are enough?


75 posted on 05/03/2006 8:33:02 PM PDT by lonedawg (why does that rag on your head say holiday inn?)
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To: cabojoe
Just because you don't like our answers doesn't mean we haven't answered you. I'll type real slow for you...incarcerate and/or deport however many that have run ins with law enforcement.

OK, let's suppose that 36.3% of the low estimate of illegals here get incarcerated under this proposal--4.4 million.

Congratulations. You have just tripled the prison population. Where do you (a) propose to put them, and (b) where do you propose to get the necessary manpower to guard the new prisons you would need?

76 posted on 05/03/2006 8:34:07 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: lonedawg
Because it's a pretty lame question! How many illegal alien welfare recipients are enough?

Answer my question, I'll answer yours--mine was asked first, so it has seniority. How many illegal aliens do you propose to put in prison?

77 posted on 05/03/2006 8:35:38 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: janetgreen; JustPiper; Smartass; Americanwolf; Americanwolfsbrother; kstewskis; La Enchiladita; ...
The brainwashing attempt ain't working:

-- . . . An overwhelming majority of 77 percent said there are plenty of Americans to fill low-wage jobs if employers pay more and treat workers better; just 15 percent said there are not enough Americans for such jobs.

-- The public also does not accept the argument we have tried and failed to enforce the law: 71 percent felt that past enforcement efforts have been "grossly inadequate," while only 19 percent felt we had made a "real effort" to enforce our laws.


78 posted on 05/03/2006 8:35:57 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

You don't put them in jail.You send them back where they came from.


79 posted on 05/03/2006 8:36:10 PM PDT by revelatorman (borders)
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To: lonedawg
If an employer has 100 employees and 90 of them are illegal it's pretty much obvious he knew he was hiring illegals.

Did you know that employers check against a Social Security number database that is likely to show that those 90 numbers are all valid? What is an employer to do after SS numbers check out?

Do you know an employer can be sued for refusing to hire someone because he suspects they are illegal, especially if they turn out not to be?

80 posted on 05/03/2006 8:36:34 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: sinkspur
Accumulations of evidence is used in prosecution everyday in the end if the jury buys that's enough.
81 posted on 05/03/2006 8:36:37 PM PDT by lonedawg (why does that rag on your head say holiday inn?)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

It wouldnt take that many to send the message. The illegals communicate well and the rumors would start spreading. The illegal issue didn't grow as fast until Bush started talking Guest Worker in the last few years. That is why they rushed the border. I say one percent of employers being prosecuted would do the trick.


82 posted on 05/03/2006 8:36:50 PM PDT by nckerr (Proud Christian Conservative Soldier)
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To: Borax Queen

oh....fancy finding you here!!! : )


83 posted on 05/03/2006 8:37:01 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: nckerr

LOL


84 posted on 05/03/2006 8:38:07 PM PDT by cabojoe
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To: MOgirl
After the border is sealed, and after the employers who (also) break our laws are prevented from doing so, after giving the illegals the opportunity to return to their true home: As many as refuse to go. There, I answered your question.

OK, the refusal rate is 100%. (Most people will not voluntarily commit themselves to live in abject poverty.)

OK, you now have 12,000,000 new prisoners on top of the existing 2,200,000 already in the prison system. Where do you propose to put them, and where do you propose to get the manpower to guard almost 6.5 times as many prisoners AND secure the border trace?

85 posted on 05/03/2006 8:38:48 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Where do you (a) propose to put them,..

From a visual perspective we have seen they live 50 to room. End of problem.

Congratulations, you have just solved everything.

86 posted on 05/03/2006 8:39:20 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: nckerr
A new Zogby poll of likely voters, using neutral language (i.e., avoiding the words "amnesty" or "illegal alien"), finds that Americans prefer the House of Representatives' enforcement-only bill by 2-1 over Senate proposals to legalize illegal immigrants and greatly increase legal immigration. The poll was conducted for the Center for Immigration Studies.

This can't be right. The Senate RINOs are doing yeoman's work on this issue, despite the simpleton voters who think they know best.

/sarc

87 posted on 05/03/2006 8:39:48 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Take a few asprins and get a good night sleep. You'll feel better in the morning.


88 posted on 05/03/2006 8:40:28 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

We don't have to put them anywhere except back in their country so they can get at the end of the line to do it legally. Give em a deportation hearing and vamanos.


89 posted on 05/03/2006 8:40:29 PM PDT by cabojoe
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To: nckerr
I say one percent of employers being prosecuted would do the trick.

The law requires that the prosecution prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the employer knowingly hired illegal aliens.

That is an effectively impossible standard to meet.

90 posted on 05/03/2006 8:40:31 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: sinkspur
They just arrested an owner last week, and that excuse didn't wash. These things can be prosecuted ,your not going to win them all but you'll get a lot and all you have to do convince these employers that it's no longer feasible.
91 posted on 05/03/2006 8:41:40 PM PDT by lonedawg (why does that rag on your head say holiday inn?)
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To: cabojoe
We don't have to put them anywhere except back in their country so they can get at the end of the line to do it legally. Give em a deportation hearing and vamanos.

The proposal under discussion is to make illegally being in the United States a felony. Felonies that do not have jail time attached are, quite simply, a bad joke.

I take it, then, that you do not support the proposal to make illegal presence in the United States a felony.

92 posted on 05/03/2006 8:41:59 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
..That is an effectively impossible standard to meet.

Uh, why don't we just give it a try.

93 posted on 05/03/2006 8:43:06 PM PDT by sangoo
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To: JoeSixPack1
From a visual perspective we have seen they live 50 to room. End of problem.

I thought the idea was to put an end to this sort of thing. Problem not ended.

94 posted on 05/03/2006 8:43:50 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

10,999,999 THERE!


95 posted on 05/03/2006 8:43:55 PM PDT by lonedawg (why does that rag on your head say holiday inn?)
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To: sangoo

Fine. Please prove, beyond reasonable doubt, your own state of mind.


97 posted on 05/03/2006 8:44:17 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
The law requires that the prosecution prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the employer knowingly hired illegal aliens.

Yup, spending your days in court and paying attorneys to prove that you didn't knowingly hire illegals instead of running your business shouldn't deter anyone. That and having to rehire and train a new crop of illegals every time you were raided is a recipe for success.

98 posted on 05/03/2006 8:44:33 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: nicmarlo

Bump!


99 posted on 05/03/2006 8:45:38 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: sinkspur
Did you know that employers check against a Social Security number database that is likely to show that those 90 numbers are all valid? What is an employer to do after SS numbers check out?

Do you know an employer can be sued for refusing to hire someone because he suspects they are illegal, especially if they turn out not to be?

...excerpted from "Excuses to Tell the Feds When You Are Caught Hiring Illegals"

100 posted on 05/03/2006 8:45:47 PM PDT by Junior_G
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