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Senator Ted Kennedy -- "Peace Criminal"?
Townhall.com ^ | 4 May 2006 | Larry Elder

Posted on 05/03/2006 11:35:44 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

"If we got out," asked Tim Russert on NBC's "Meet the Press" recently, "and there was a civil war, chaos, and you saw al Qaeda moving in -- in record numbers -- would you go back in?"

Russert's guest, Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., replied, "Well, first of all, I heard the same kinds of suggestions at the time of the end of the Vietnam War. The 'Great Bloodbath,' we're going to have over 100,000 people that were going to be murdered and killed at that time. And for those of us who were strongly opposed to the war, [we] heard those same kinds of arguments."

The normally persistent Russert never challenged Kennedy's incredible assertion. Yet the bloodbath some predicted would occur -- if we withdrew from Vietnam -- did happen.

America lost the Vietnam War, not on the battlefield, but on the home front of public support. Anti-war activists and the liberal media helped turn public opinion sharply against the war. Although our soldiers won every major battle in the field, public opinion turned against a war increasingly perceived as "unwinnable." Our withdrawal, however, gave the Vietnamese armies under Ho Chi Minh free rein to overrun South Vietnam -- raping, pillaging, plundering, impoverishing, imprisoning, torturing and slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people.

The withdrawal of American troops from Vietnam also strengthened the hand of the communist Khmer Rouge in neighboring Cambodia. Their leader, Pol Pot, embarked on a bloody ethnic cleansing campaign. While the exact number of Cambodians slaughtered can never be fully known, most estimate those killed from a low of 1 million to a high of 3 million.

A million or so "boat people" fled Vietnam in flimsy watercraft on the South China Sea. Thousands of Vietnamese died in "re-education camps."

I received the following e-mail from a listener who watched the Kennedy/Russert interview: "Has the Senator ever heard of the movie, 'The Killing Fields'??? During the late 70s and early 80s my ex-husband used to teach political science at a local community college. Every year we would host a Christmas party for his students, many of whom were refugees from Vietnam and Cambodia. I spent a lot of time visiting with these kids and their stories were heartbreaking. I remember one young man in particular. His father had been sent to a 'reeducation camp' after the US withdrew. The last time he saw his father, he told the young man to get out of the country anyway possible. He became one of the boat people and somehow made it to the United States. He was obviously happy to be here, but the sadness in his eyes when he spoke of his father was truly haunting. He had no idea if his father was dead or alive. Maybe someone needs to give the Senator a refresher course on the history of Southeast Asia!"

In July 1986, The Wall Street Journal wrote, "South Vietnam was eventually conquered by the North, and Cambodia was taken over by the communist Khmer Rouge, who in trying to recreate a primitive communist agricultural society slaughtered from 1 million to 3 million Cambodians. If we take 2 million as the best estimate, then in four years the government of this small nation of 7 million alone killed 64 percent more people than died in the 10-year Vietnam War. Overall, the best estimate of those killed by the victorious communists in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia is 2,270,000. . . . "

Kennedy's blase re-write of Indochina's bloody history following our military pullout there is not unlike Sen. John Kerry's, D-Mass., 1971 slam against the soldiers in Vietnam. When testifying before a Senate committee, Kerry said, " . . . [W]e had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. . . . They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam . . . "

Kennedy's revisionist history and Kerry's attack on the honor of those who served in Vietnam demonstrate why many Americans refuse to trust Democrats with national security. They called Reagan a war-monger, criticized the military buildup that hastened the demise of the Soviet Union, insisted that SDI wouldn't and couldn't work, and now call Bush a war criminal.

Our effort in Iraq requires commitment and steadfastness. As with Vietnam, the American-led coalition cannot lose in the battlefield. Despite the insurgency, the Iraqi people went to the polls and voted, and now attempt to assemble a government. Bush's detractors compare the Iraq War "quagmire" to Vietnam. If they truly believe that, why aren't they worried about . . . "what next"?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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Lard Ass is a living, breathing disgrace to humanity!
1 posted on 05/03/2006 11:35:47 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher
I quadruple what you said...
3 posted on 05/03/2006 11:56:06 PM PDT by alaskamomma
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To: Aussie Dasher; holdonnow; potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; Alamo-Girl; Grampa Dave; Seadog Bytes; ...





4 posted on 05/03/2006 11:56:36 PM PDT by devolve ((----Kimberly Guilfoyle - bicoastal or another thespian?))
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To: Aussie Dasher

Teddy is such a [:o)]


5 posted on 05/04/2006 12:22:26 AM PDT by Theresawithanh (Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I stuck around...)
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To: Theresawithanh
You tell 'Em Swimmer.
6 posted on 05/04/2006 12:28:54 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
I am sure Teddy has always been opposed to JFK's Viet Nam War.

Just as John Faux Kerry (btw, he served in JFK's Viet Nam War) voted against the war in Iraq before he voted for it - or vice versa (its all so confusing once these leftist liars start obfuscating and repeating that up is down and yes means no, etc.).
7 posted on 05/04/2006 1:30:59 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (I love my German shepherd - Benedict XVI reigns!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
This debauched, delusional, old bastard has hit a new low. He writes a work of fiction describing how his brother "faced down" a "Cuban Crisis" of his own design. Now he is focusing his attention on a rewrite of the consequences of the American pull out in Vietnam?? I am convinced he has lost what little mind he had to begin with.
8 posted on 05/04/2006 1:39:55 AM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: Aussie Dasher

How does the left get so good at rewriting history? Honestly...


9 posted on 05/04/2006 1:46:56 AM PDT by Zeon Cowboy (.blogspot.com)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I know some Vietnamese Boat People who would likely enjoy a private conversation with Kennedy. Particularly if they could take a baseball bat to it.


10 posted on 05/04/2006 2:52:57 AM PDT by JimSEA (America cannot have an exit strategy from the world.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Most S.E. Asians that I talk to (when they want to talk about Vietnam expansion) are grateful to the U.S. for at least slowing them down. The U.S.'s effort there is looked upon favorably.

Ted Kennedy is part of the Culture of Treason of the American left.


11 posted on 05/04/2006 3:13:23 AM PDT by American in Singapore (Bill Clinton: The Human Stain)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Russert is looking pretty bloated these days, too. I wonder if "Big Russ" cringes when his son lets this crap get by?

12 posted on 05/04/2006 3:14:29 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies get to vote!!!!!)
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To: American in Singapore

You are almost being too kind. There is no redeeming feature about him.


13 posted on 05/04/2006 3:50:43 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Liberals lie to achieve their goals. Why am I not surprised?


14 posted on 05/04/2006 3:52:40 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Aussie Dasher

History has a way of trying to repeat itself.....
unless backbone is shown by the republican 'majority'.


...."America lost the Vietnam War, not on the battlefield, but on the home front of public support. Anti-war activists and the liberal media helped turn public opinion sharply against the war. Although our soldiers won every major battle in the field, public opinion turned against a war increasingly perceived as "unwinnable." ........


15 posted on 05/04/2006 3:53:19 AM PDT by IrishMike (Dry Powder is a plus)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Well, first of all, I heard the same kinds of suggestions at the time of the end of the Vietnam War.

It's interesting to note that Teddy Chappaquiddick answers a question about the Iraq war with a reference to 'Nam. Just shows the leftist mindset - they're still fighting 'Nam. . . . . . and hoping to lose it all over again.
16 posted on 05/04/2006 3:58:21 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: jk4hc4

Liberals always know what the future is, it's the past they have to keep changing.


17 posted on 05/04/2006 4:20:16 AM PDT by when the time is right
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To: Aussie Dasher
The normally persistent Russert never challenged Kennedy's incredible assertion. Yet the bloodbath some predicted would occur -- if we withdrew from Vietnam -- did happen.

I hope many of us drop a line to Tim and ask, 'how/why it is', that he did not go there; thereby allowing this incredible (though typical) lying Demrat re-write of our history, to stand. . .

18 posted on 05/04/2006 4:20:31 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal-free. . .)
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To: DustyMoment

Well, sir, we are still living with the bad effects of pulling out of Vietnam. In the last few years, every available mobile home here has been snatched up by illegals from SE Asia. They have turned my community into a Cambodian refugee camp. They don't speak English and work in the underground economy at a Thai restaurant. Thanks a lot. You done good!


19 posted on 05/04/2006 4:23:39 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: singfreedom

I have not read Teddy's book and suspect it won't hit my reading list anytime soon. What I would like to know of Ted though is, why when told by the CIA that the Cubans were waiting on the beach at the Bay of Pigs for the invasion over a week ahead of time they went ahead anyway and then didn't support the invasion?
True liberal backbone!


20 posted on 05/04/2006 4:32:41 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Force Recon Dad)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I think its pretty obvious that lives of other than rich people dont mean much to Ted Kennedy.

Whether its the one life he took away from a poor girl who made a bad decision to be a party girl to politicians, or the thousands , maybe millions of lives that were lost when we pulled out of Viet nam .

I dont know how this sock sucker sleeps at night.


21 posted on 05/04/2006 4:42:07 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: sgtbono2002

On second thought I do know how he sleeps at night. Besotted with alcohol. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest his crotch.


22 posted on 05/04/2006 4:43:43 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Aussie Dasher

"The normally persistent Russert never challenged Kennedy's incredible assertion.."
tim - the ONLY man in America whose father ever taught him anything- is a liberal puke. I think he hannity has gotten on to timmie. I have not heard his drivel on hannity's show lately.


23 posted on 05/04/2006 4:54:38 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Everyday brings a new reason to distrust Hillary Clinton.)
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To: sgtbono2002

One of the great liberal myths of the century continues on in what is left of his mind.

Don't get me started, Teddy boy!


24 posted on 05/04/2006 4:56:02 AM PDT by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: Aussie Dasher

He sure is and when is he going to retire ? How he hasnt had liver failure I just dont understand. I cant stand him. Nor will I ever let my child read a book written by that man.


25 posted on 05/04/2006 5:10:54 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: DustyMoment; All

Wonderful comment! The comments on a thread such as this one are one of the reasons I'm proud to be a FReeper.


26 posted on 05/04/2006 5:22:05 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (If you want something done, ask a busy person. The other kind has no time.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

To Kennedy, everyone deserves the same respect for life as he gave Mary Joe Kopechne.


27 posted on 05/04/2006 5:25:56 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances and it advances relentlessly freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Zeon Cowboy

"How does the left get so good at rewriting history? Honestly..."

They control academia which means they control what is written in textbooks.

They control the media so they control the message.

They control the infrastructure/unions so they control what actually gets out to the media.

The Democrats use the Soviet style of governing. What you cannot control, you destroy.



28 posted on 05/04/2006 5:37:15 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats = The Culture of Treason)
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To: jk4hc4
With Russert and Kennedy, as with all liberals, history begins when they wake up in the morning.

They must rewrite history, or they would get no votes, the ignorant are their constituents.
29 posted on 05/04/2006 6:29:04 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: ClaireSolt
Thanks a lot. You done good!

I guess I'm having a dense day - I'm not getting your point.
30 posted on 05/04/2006 7:26:39 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: devolve

Very nice, lots of activity!


31 posted on 05/04/2006 1:02:01 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Recon Dad

I think, in JFK's case, you could make that "backbone" comment literally as well as figuratively!!!


32 posted on 05/05/2006 12:08:53 AM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: neverdem; river rat; B4Ranch; Squantos

Bumping a 2006 thread.


33 posted on 05/20/2008 8:58:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

Let sleeping dogs lie, Travis.


34 posted on 05/20/2008 9:06:50 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Bipartisanship: Two wolves and the American people deciding what's for dinner)
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To: Travis McGee

I do not have a single good word to say about this man, I don’t need to say anything bad either.


35 posted on 05/20/2008 9:18:47 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Travis McGee
Kennedy has been a destructive Leftist fool and enemy of the Republic his entire life and career.

Folks expect the enemy to look like some creature from the lost lagoon — however; most look “respectable and human” like Kennedy, Clinton, McCain, Reid, Durban, etc, etc.....

I never observed an NVA/VC corpse or prisoner who looked dangerous or a threat...
They appeared as "normal" in every observable respect.
It was their ACTIONS prior to becoming a corpse that made them dangerous and a threat.

Such an enemy was Kennedy....
One day - I hope the entire nation can see the scope of his betrayals...

There will be months of media blast telling us of all the wonderful works of Kennedy -— with hardly a mention of the devastation his positions have cause abroad and at home...
Kennedy was CORRECT to scoff at the 100,000 deaths if we abandoned Vietnam.... The actual toll was approximately 10x higher....and encouraged subsequent enemies of America -- both external and internal.

Making the figures worse — is that those killed by the Communists were our allies, including many Catholics... The devastation wrought on our loyal ethnic hill people allies, was the most heartbreaking.
Many fought on for decades after we abandoned them..


http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat3.htm

* Rummel
o Vietnamese democide: 1,040,000 (1975-87)
+ Executions: 100,000
+ Camp Deaths: 95,000
+ Forced Labor: 48,000
+ Democides in Cambodia: 460,000
+ Democides in Laos: 87,000
+ Boat People: 500,000 deaths (50% not blamed on the Vietnamese govt.)
* ANALYSIS: I'd say the most likely total would be 430,000. That's 65,000 executions + 165,000 camp deaths + 200,000 boat people. It's unlikely that VN alone caused 460+87T democides in Cambodia + Laos since estimates of the total deaths in these conflicts only run to a half million or so.

36 posted on 05/20/2008 9:32:54 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

A lot of people here, including myself, can’t say what they want to about a certain current topic. I will say though, I really, really, like your tag line.


37 posted on 05/20/2008 10:23:57 PM PDT by The Cajun
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