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Judas Saves; Why the lost gospel makes sense (Christopher Hitchens)
slate ^ | Ap 13 06 | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 05/04/2006 10:20:30 AM PDT by churchillbuff

the idea of a sacred Judas always seemed rational to me, at least in Christian terms. The New Testament tells us firmly that Jesus went to Jerusalem at Passover to die and to fulfill certain ancient prophecies by doing so. How could any agent of this process, witting or unwitting, be acting other than according to the divine will? ...[snip]

Now we have, recovered from the desert of Egypt, a 26-page "Gospel of Judas," . ...[snip]

The Judas gospel puts legend's most notorious traitor in a new light—as the man who enjoyed his master's most intimate confidence, and who was given the crucial task of helping him shed his fleshly mortality. And you can see why the early Christian fathers were leery of such texts. This book has the same cast but a very arcane interpretation. Right before Passover, as the disciples are praying, Jesus sneers at their innocence. Only Judas has guessed the master aright—and has discerned that he comes from the heavenly realm of the god "Barbelo." In the realm of Barbelo, it seems, earthly pains are unknown and the fortunate inhabitants are free from the attentions of the God of the Old Testament. The Judas gospel would make one huge difference if it was accepted. It would dispel the centuries of anti-Semitic paranoia that were among the chief accompaniments of the Easter celebration until approximately 30 years after 1945, when the Vatican finally acquitted the Jews of the charge of Christ-killing. ...[snip]let us all therefore give thanks for our deliverance from religion, and raise high the wafer that summons us to the wonders and bliss of the faraway realm of Barbelo and brings us the joyous and long-awaited news that Judas saves.*

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: churchhilldisruptor; godsgravesglyphs; gospelofjudas; hitchens; judas
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1 posted on 05/04/2006 10:20:33 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Brilliant! Let us do evil that good may come of it.


2 posted on 05/04/2006 10:22:08 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: churchillbuff

Poor Christopher. He seems like a good guy, but he's just asking to fry.


3 posted on 05/04/2006 10:23:06 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: churchillbuff; Petronski

Another example that Christopher Hitchens seems to hate Christianity and Catholicism. Yet a lot of freepers love him because he's pro-Iraq-invasion. But so is Hillary. Favoring the Iraq invasion dosn't make you a conservative, just as opposing it (as I do) doesn't make you a liberal. Indeed, Hitchens is very liberal. He has said despicable things about Reagan, Mother Teresa and other people I, as a conservative, regard as heroes.


4 posted on 05/04/2006 10:23:39 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Some people will believe anything.


5 posted on 05/04/2006 10:24:07 AM PDT by Ptaz (Take Personal Responsibility--it's not fun, but it's the right thing to do.)
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To: churchillbuff
Hitchens has been on the right side in the War on Terrorism.

But I have no interest in his religious views. He's not on the right team.

6 posted on 05/04/2006 10:24:20 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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To: churchillbuff

IOW somwone 1500 years ago came up with a cool forgery which was discredited.

Now National Geographic admits they can prove it is real and admits it is prrooooobably a forgery, so we have useful idiots like this buy the fraud a millenia later.

Stuck on Stupid for certain.


7 posted on 05/04/2006 10:26:47 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: churchillbuff

Let's bring back Gnosticism and call it Hitchenism.


8 posted on 05/04/2006 10:27:52 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: ClearCase_guy
There's an old poem called "The Hound of Heaven" about how you can't really get away from Him. He's been after Hitchens a long time. And won't go away.
9 posted on 05/04/2006 10:28:02 AM PDT by SoCalRight
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To: churchillbuff

Isn't it one of the rules of writing that a person should write on topics that he knows something about?


10 posted on 05/04/2006 10:28:51 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (A twenty -dollar head of bananas.)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

"Isn't it one of the rules of writing that a person should write on topics that he knows something about?"

Not on Free Republic. [grin]


11 posted on 05/04/2006 10:30:09 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: churchillbuff
It would dispel the centuries of anti-Semitic paranoia that were among the chief accompaniments of the Easter celebration until approximately 30 years after 1945, """"

This is a vile anti-Christian smear. East was an occasion for anti-Semitic paranoia up until 1975? I was well into adulthood by 1975, and never heard of such paranoia. Rather, Easter was a time of joy because of Christ's Resurrection. Hitchens is hateful. Interesting, though, that you - Petronski- smear me as a Nazi-lover, simply because I disagree with Hitchens on the Iraq war. You, with your smear tactics (the NEville photo) are in good company, with this hateful person.

12 posted on 05/04/2006 10:31:00 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Favoring the Iraq invasion dosn't make you a conservative

Neither does being a devout Christian. And saying only positive things about Mother Teresa isn't the benchmark of American conservatism. Anyway I think Hitchens might identify himself more closely with American libertarianism than conservatism.
13 posted on 05/04/2006 10:31:30 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: churchillbuff

I compare Hitchens to Stalin. Stalin wanted to destroy Hitler. Whatever Stalin's motives for wanting that, the result was an absolute good. In all other respects, Stalin was an evil being.

Hitchens supported the Iraq operation? Great. He's still an evil person in many other respects.


14 posted on 05/04/2006 10:32:10 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: churchillbuff

Stck to your last, bud. Have you bothered to read this thing?


15 posted on 05/04/2006 10:32:21 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: churchillbuff; Petronski
It would dispel the centuries of anti-Semitic paranoia that were among the chief accompaniments of the Easter celebration until approximately 30 years after 1945, """"

This is a vile smear. Easter was an occasion for anti-Semitic paranoia up until 1975? I was well into adulthood by 1975, and never heard of such paranoia. Rather, Easter was and is a time of joy because of Christ's Resurrection. Hitchens is hateful. Interesting, though, that you - Petronski- smear me as a Nazi-lover (that NEvill photo you invariably trot out), simply because I disagree with you and Hitchens on the Iraq war. You, with your smear tactics are in good company with this hateful Hitchens.

16 posted on 05/04/2006 10:32:27 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: Flavius Josephus

If I'm not mistaken Hitchens is an athiest.


17 posted on 05/04/2006 10:32:32 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Petronski

Of course, Hitchens IS a Stalinist, so the comparison is all the more apt.


18 posted on 05/04/2006 10:32:45 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: churchillbuff
The Judas gospel puts legend's most notorious traitor in a new light—as the man who enjoyed his master's most intimate confidence, and who was given the crucial task of helping him shed his fleshly mortality.

Like Michael Schiavo then? 'Helping' Jesus to die was his task and we should thank Judas? Alrighty.

Hitchens has come unhitched. I guess for the abortion, love the sinner and his sins, euthanasia, culture of death crowd, this is the perfect answer. A 'new' twist on Christianity to fit their ideas, their culture of death lifestyle.

19 posted on 05/04/2006 10:33:12 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: churchillbuff

I like Hitchens, but you have a point. Yes, he's a liberal, but I think he tries to think through things and not blindly drink his kool-aid. I respect that. And he's a patriot. He's a good thinker and I can read him even when I disagree because he does think. But he has a hatred which gives him a very blind side--Christianity. So while I may scan what he has to say about it, it's the one area that I don't try to read and consider his thoughts.


20 posted on 05/04/2006 10:33:21 AM PDT by twigs
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
saying only positive things about Mother Teresa isn't the benchmark of American conservatism."""

Neither is saying positive things about the Iraq invasion. If being opposed to Iraq invasion automatically makes you a liberal - that means Bill Buckley, Tom Clancy and John Paul II are liberals.

21 posted on 05/04/2006 10:34:10 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff; AnotherUnixGeek

And if being in favor of the Iraq invasion automatically makes you a conservative, that means Hitchens and Hillary are conservatives.


22 posted on 05/04/2006 10:35:55 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Interesting, though, that you - Petronski - smear me as a Nazi-lover (that Neville photo you invariably trot out). . .

Not true.

Chamberlain wasn't a Nazi-lover, he was weak. He vacillated in the face of evil, tried to placate it. Chamberlain's crime was not malfeasance, but rather nonfeasance.

23 posted on 05/04/2006 10:36:07 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: MineralMan

Yeah, I know. But this is really a mess and, from what I've read of his, I expected better.


24 posted on 05/04/2006 10:37:39 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (A twenty -dollar head of bananas.)
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To: churchillbuff

It isn't a "lost gospel" of anykind. It was written some 300 years after the fact. It's simply a lost piece of fiction written by the same type of person as we find today writing works of fiction like the davinci code.


25 posted on 05/04/2006 10:37:54 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: churchillbuff

Well, if you are going to believe a bunch of nonsense you might as well advertise it. I don't think it's personal towards Christians as much as it is hatred of God. He doesn't seem to think much of religious Jews either, so it's the whole God thing that bugs Him. This article is nothing but a shaking fist towards heaven. It's not that he's blind but that he refuses to see. It's a battle between him and God. He thinks he can win. He can't.


26 posted on 05/04/2006 10:38:32 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: churchillbuff

Judas was a Muslim.


27 posted on 05/04/2006 10:40:08 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: Petronski
He vacillated in the face of evil, tried to placate it."""

Fine, but I don't vacilate on the Iraq invasion. I have always thought it was a mistake - - not because I believed in placating Saddam, but because I believed and believe he wasn't an imminent threat. Hitler, obviously WAS a threat when Neville tried to placate him. Hitler was already occupying neighboring territory and he had a massive and threatening military. Saddam, in contrast, was contained by an aggressive sanctions program, and constant military flyovers, and he had no military to speak of.

28 posted on 05/04/2006 10:40:44 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

all we can do is hope & pray that ol' Christopher sees the Light before he checks out.


29 posted on 05/04/2006 10:40:56 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi)
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To: Nathan Zachary
In other news, the Shroud of Judas has been discovered.

Everyone who touches it becomes a Democrat.

30 posted on 05/04/2006 10:42:00 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: fortunecookie
Hitchens has come unhitched. I guess for the abortion, love the sinner and his sins, euthanasia, culture of death crowd, this is the perfect answer. A 'new' twist on Christianity to fit their ideas, their culture of death lifestyle.

Is this any different than GW telling us that all these illegals want is to come here & get a job that NOBODY else will do / Islam is a religion of peace? And yes, Hitchins IS unhitched.

31 posted on 05/04/2006 10:42:02 AM PDT by Digger
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To: ClearCase_guy
Its not so much that Hitchens is on the wrong team, its simply that he refuses to understand (or perhaps, accept)the sovereignty of Divine Providence and Its mysterious interaction with free human will.
Of course, God knew that Jesus' trip to Jerusalem would end in Crucifixion and Resurrection, but that was God's plan for humanity before the creation of the world.
And God knew that Judas would betray Jesus, but Judas being a free man capable of making his own choices acted as he did because he wanted to.
Why he wanted to, is a subject that only he and the omniscient God of creation understand.
Jesus as God would never conspire with anyone to act in such as way as to lead to eternal damnation.
God never sends anyone to hell; we choose to separate ourselves from God of our own volition.
32 posted on 05/04/2006 10:42:27 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: churchillbuff
Saddam, in contrast, was contained by an aggressive sanctions program, and constant military flyovers, and he had no military to speak of.

Riiiight, herr general.

33 posted on 05/04/2006 10:43:01 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: churchillbuff
Judas saves

but Moses invests?

34 posted on 05/04/2006 10:43:59 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Too soon to remember??? How about TOO SOON TO FORGET!" from Mr. Silverback)
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To: traderrob6

Then why does taunting God seem to be so important to him?


35 posted on 05/04/2006 10:44:29 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: Hammerhead

Judas couldn't have been a Muslim, the cult wasn't invented during his lifetime. Not until around 635AD did Mohammad make slaughtering, raping and pillaging into a religion.


36 posted on 05/04/2006 10:45:00 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

Prolly dronk when he wrote it.


37 posted on 05/04/2006 10:46:07 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: churchillbuff
Another example that Christopher Hitchens seems to hate Christianity and Catholicism.

Catholicism is Christian. To suggest the two are different is insulting to Catholics (I was raised Methodist). No criticism intended, just a correction, though maybe I misunderstand your post.

38 posted on 05/04/2006 10:46:28 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: Nathan Zachary

You are not correct and I can prove it.


39 posted on 05/04/2006 10:46:28 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: Petronski
Saddam, in contrast, was contained by an aggressive sanctions program, and constant military flyovers, and he had no military to speak of. Riiiight, herr general."""

If my statement is wrong, which part of it was wrong? Was there not an aggressive sanctions program that was keeping Iraq from economic expansion? Was there not a systematic program of military flyovers to keep in Iraq in check? Did Iraq have a powerful military? (That it didn't was evidenced by our uninterrupted drive to Bagdhad; there was no military to stop us). Comparing Saddam's weak and contained situation in the early 80s to Hitler's military powerful and aggressively expansive stance in the 1930s simply doesn't hold water.

40 posted on 05/04/2006 10:46:46 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: Petronski

Also, the idea that containment can't keep a dictator in check is belied by Reagan's policy toward the Soviets. He defeated them by containing them, not by invading them.


41 posted on 05/04/2006 10:48:01 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: NonValueAdded

Moses is just overseeing that the terms of Abraham's contract continue to be met. ;)


42 posted on 05/04/2006 10:50:04 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: churchillbuff

Judas as saint makes sense if that's the worldview you wish to justify. If you choose to adhere to the most authentic and reliable documents, though, Judas is no saint. Funny how there is a continual effort to justify and rationalize the actions of Judas as being a good thing. It was certainly part of the plan, but that doesn't make Judas any more forgiveable. We could claim any crime was ultimately part of some plan to justify that crime.


43 posted on 05/04/2006 10:50:22 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: churchillbuff

Hitchens' mastery of the written word, coupled with his stentorial, though often slurred, oratory gives the lie to the cliche, "God-given talent."


44 posted on 05/04/2006 10:50:28 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: churchillbuff
...until approximately 30 years after 1945, when the Vatican finally acquitted the Jews of the charge of Christ-killing.

One of the basic tenets of Christianity is that Jesus had to go to the cross to atone for our sins. Doesn't that make all of us Christ-killers?

Died he for me? Who caused his pain!
For me? Who him to death pursued?
Amazing love! How can it be
That thou, my God, shouldst die for me?

Charles Wesley, 1739

45 posted on 05/04/2006 10:51:09 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fitzcarraldo
Let's bring back Gnosticism and call it Hitchenism.

What do you mean 'bring back'? It's been here all along.

46 posted on 05/04/2006 10:51:11 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: Flavius Josephus

Because windmills are scarce in this sotted age.


47 posted on 05/04/2006 10:51:25 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: nosofar
Catholicism is Christian. To suggest the two are different is insulting to Catholics"""

Yes, Catholicism is Christian, but Christianity is bigger than just Catholicism, and Hitchens seems to hate both the larger body of Christianity as a whole, and the Catholic Church within that body.

48 posted on 05/04/2006 10:51:37 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
He defeated them by containing them, not by invading them.

He defeated them by putting Pershings in Europe and launching the SDI program. The Reagan Doctrine was a direct rejection of containment and the Brezhnev Doctrine.

49 posted on 05/04/2006 10:51:47 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Flavius Josephus

That's exactly what it sounds like.


50 posted on 05/04/2006 10:52:50 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (A twenty -dollar head of bananas.)
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