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To: tpaine
The very propositions of the Constitution have "moral judgments" at their base, so we have ample precedent for the practice. The Constitution does not forbid the enactment of laws, all of which are moral judgments, but assumes that laws are good and necessary, as long as they are enacted by a government representative of the citizens. Libertarianism will never be a viable political philosophy - even the liberal knows that some unwritten code of moral conduct must hold sway, even if it be a debauched one.

Would you please give an example of any law in effect that doesn't constrains some conduct considered "wrong", i.e. immoral?

24 posted on 05/08/2006 3:23:52 AM PDT by fwdude (If at first you don't succeed .......... form a committee and hire a consultant.)
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To: fwdude
fwdude comments:

Concepts of right and wrong are moral in nature. Congress, civil authorities, or someone must make moral judgments in this regard. The debate is not about that moral judgments are made, but over the substance of the moral code invoked.
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The "moral code invoked" has been established for over two hundred years in our Constitution.
Congress, civil authorities, -- all officials, "-- both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by oath, or affirmation, to support this Constitution; --"

LPM is quite correct, -- there is nothing in the Constitution that gives elected officials, bureaucratic experts, or Judges the authority to make "Moral Judgments".

They are empowered to make reasonable decisions and to write & enforce reasonable regulations, using due process of law. -- Law that does not deprive any person of life, liberty or property; -- unconstitutionally.

The very propositions of the Constitution have "moral judgments" at their base, so we have ample precedent for the practice.

Yep, as outlined above, laws can be made. - Constitutional laws.

The Constitution does not forbid the enactment of laws, all of which are moral judgments,

It forbids laws that embody 'moral judgments' which deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law.

but assumes that laws are good and necessary, as long as they are enacted by a government representative of the citizens.

Bull... Our Constitution tries to ensure that 'government representatives' are restrained in their lawmaking by the checks & balances built into its system.

Libertarianism will never be a viable political philosophy -

Telling shift of subject. You are attacking libertarianism right after defending authoritarianism.

even the liberal knows that some unwritten code of moral conduct must hold sway, even if it be a debauched one.

Yep, authoritarian socialists & liberal democrats think alike; they both love governmental decrees.

Would you please give an example of any law in effect that doesn't constrains some conduct considered "wrong", i.e. immoral?

Sure, -- any federal, state or local law that infringes on our right to keep and bear arms is constraining on 'moral' conduct.
What do you find 'immoral' about owning a machine gun?

29 posted on 05/08/2006 8:40:11 AM PDT by tpaine
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