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Moussaoui Will Never Rot in Prison
Wall Street Journal ^ | 5/5/06 | DANIEL HENNINGER

Posted on 05/05/2006 4:24:36 AM PDT by mathprof

Need an antidote to the Moussaoui verdict? Go out this weekend to see "United 93."

Zacarias Moussaoui is lucky the jurors at his sentencing trial weren't allowed to see the movie "United 93" the day before reaching a verdict. If they had, rather than handing him life in prison, it is likely that one or more of the jurors would have come out of the box to deliver the death sentence himself -- just as the four doomed men on Flight 93 charged their hijackers to stop its fanatic pilots from flying the airliner into another American building.

Some will say the Moussaoui life sentence merely proves that we in the U.S. are beyond biblical justice, beyond an eye for an eye, even if our Islamic enemies do not bother to claim any grievance larger than resentment to justify the most startling slaughter of innocents all over the world. This argument -- that the refusal to impose the death penalty on Moussaoui shows "we are not like them" -- might have been entertainable before September 11. It may no longer be. [snip]

Our sense of normalcy may not be in our best interest.

As an example, one thought that occurred in the hour after seeing "United 93" had to do with the recent debate in the U.S. over the warrantless wiretapping of suspected phone calls between terrorists. In that hour, this "debate" seemed quite otherworldly. It is unlikely that in the first six months after September 11 Sen. Arlen Specter would ever have thought to intone that the wiretapping program was "in flat violation" of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. But he does now. Times change.

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1 posted on 05/05/2006 4:24:40 AM PDT by mathprof
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To: mathprof

France will immediately start agitation for his transfer to a French prison (i.e., his release). This will be an irritant to US-EU relations which, since it has the potential to go on for 50 years, may morph into a problem.
As long as France fails to gain his custody, the French state will weaken before its rapidly growing Islamic minority.

The UN will become involved. You can bet the General Assembly will "require" his transfer to France within the next year.

He will become Mr. International Mumia, but with no deadline for his transport to the next world the agitation will never end.

Every Democrat who runs for President for the next 50 years will be his Liberator-in-Waiting, in the spirit of international cooperation and respect for the world community, of course.

Now, that's the Europeans and the Canadians.

The Muzzies will immediately start direct action to gain his release. The impetuous ones will of course take hostages, and kill them. The clever ones will commit acts of terror in Europe and Canada, to turn up the heat.

This will go on, and on, and on until he is transferred to France (released) or killed.

In retrospect, the failure of the administration to execute him in 2001 was an incredible act of cowardice.


2 posted on 05/05/2006 4:26:43 AM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: mathprof

The jurors should be sterilized so that they don't contaminate the gene pool with their stupidity.


3 posted on 05/05/2006 4:28:59 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Time for an electoral revolution where the ballot box is the guillotine)
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To: Jim Noble

People sometimes die in prison. There is still hope.


4 posted on 05/05/2006 4:30:15 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: peyton randolph

Well put!


5 posted on 05/05/2006 4:31:47 AM PDT by mathprof
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To: Gorzaloon

death by unga-bunga...


6 posted on 05/05/2006 4:32:35 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: bobjam

ROFL


7 posted on 05/05/2006 4:36:37 AM PDT by Lost Dutchman (You can lead a liberal to knowledge, but you can't make them think)
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To: Gorzaloon
People sometimes die in prison. There is still hope.

Unfortunately, this hump Moussaoui isn't an enemy of the Clintons like Jim McDougal. Amazing how his heart medication just happened to be unavailable and poof!, no more Jim.

8 posted on 05/05/2006 4:36:40 AM PDT by Dahoser (Time to condense the stupid party nonsense: Terry Tate for RNC chairman.)
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To: Gorzaloon
People sometimes die in prison. There is still hope.

According to my "in family expert" on prisoners, my brother-in-law, who spent 23 years in prison, there are lots of patriotic cons. One of them will kill him - That's my prediction.

9 posted on 05/05/2006 4:38:36 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Jim Noble
France will immediately start agitation for his transfer to a French prison (i.e., his release)

When they re-activate 'Devils Island', then they can bring up the subject again..!

10 posted on 05/05/2006 4:38:47 AM PDT by Jay Howard Smith (Retired(25yrs)Military)
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To: mathprof

But, but poor widdle thing, his daddy wasn't father of the year!


11 posted on 05/05/2006 4:40:05 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: peyton randolph

Do we know WHO the jurors were, and which individual worked so hard to convince the rest that LIFE was better than DEATH>?


12 posted on 05/05/2006 4:44:27 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: mathprof
Imagine how some future citizens will feel when this scumbag needs a liver or heart transplant and he goes on the waitlist AHEAD of deserving Americans. What are the odds that at least one of those bumped down on the list will be a relative of one of the 9/11 victims?

We are too stoopid to survive the war against terror.

13 posted on 05/05/2006 4:49:13 AM PDT by Thom Pain (Supporting the Constitution is NOT right wing. It is centrist.)
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To: mathprof

The Supermax facility in Colorado where this scumbag is heading allows no contact between inmates, Mousse's only contact will be whoever the guard(s) are on duty. His meals will be slid through a slot in the door, he will be let out of his cell at the very most, 1 hour a day for exercise IF he behaves. He will be permitted one shower per week. He will have an 8 inch plastic TV mounted in the wall, but no actual TV broadcasts, just taped educational self-improvement programs (which could constitute "cruel and unusual punishment" in themselves, lol), and again - if he behaves, he gets the daily Islamobabble prayer programs so he can point his head toward Mecca and wonder WTF allah is doing to him.

Be assured of this, there is no way that France is going to get this scumbag out of the U.S. Mousse-baby is still the property of the U.S. Government, they're not finished with him, and won't be for a very long time.

Yes, it would be emotionally gratifying to see this SOB swing from a rope, but the Supermax cell he will be inhabiting for the rest of his days is nothing more than a waiting room for his eventual tranfer to Hell.


14 posted on 05/05/2006 4:52:48 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: rovenstinez
Do we know WHO the jurors were, and which individual worked so hard to convince the rest that LIFE was better than DEATH?

What I heard was that the jury was basically deadlocked, that a certain number wanted to fry him, but others did not. And since they couldn't come to a consensus on execution, he got life.

Don't know how true that is, though...

15 posted on 05/05/2006 4:54:09 AM PDT by mikemach5
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To: Graybeard58

"One of them will kill him - That's my prediction."

Bad thing is - they only have one hour each day to get at him.


16 posted on 05/05/2006 4:55:16 AM PDT by Old Grumpy
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To: mkjessup
Mousse-baby is still the property of the U.S. Government, they're not finished with him, and won't be for a very long time.

President Rodham and Secretary of State Holbrooke may feel differently.

17 posted on 05/05/2006 4:56:20 AM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Jim Noble
I'm all for releasing him to France if they want him...

... that is release him from a moving aircraft at 15,000 feet without a parachute, somewhere with a chance that he might be impaled on the Eiffel Tower.

But that's just me.

18 posted on 05/05/2006 4:58:06 AM PDT by Cliff Dweller (No such thing as a threat... just targets)
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To: mathprof

I believe he(Moussaoui), will be a guest in our prison for quite awhile. The French have always given us a hard time over, well, just about everything, just handing this piece of sh*t muzzie scum over to them won't change that.


19 posted on 05/05/2006 4:58:46 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (Southern, Conservitive and Proud of it - Hmmm)
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To: peyton randolph
The jurors should be sterilized so that they don't contaminate the gene pool with their stupidity.

The jurors came from the Wash DC suburbs. this is a VERY liberal area - probably several were against the death penalty for any reason.

20 posted on 05/05/2006 4:59:32 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: mathprof

At U.S. taxpayer expense,Moussaoui will be become a great holy man and cleric while in prison, converting thousands of ethnically disadvantaged fellow inmates, to become devout followers of fundamental islamic teachings.


21 posted on 05/05/2006 5:00:31 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (oppose one farce at the border)
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To: Jim Noble

Wrong, Jim. This Canadian government will NEVER lobby for his release or transfer.


22 posted on 05/05/2006 5:01:15 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: Graybeard58

I believe the mastermind behind the first WTC bombing is being held at the same prison. They aren't allowed any interaction with other prisoners.


23 posted on 05/05/2006 5:01:28 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Old Grumpy

As was with Jeffery D., the guards can "plan" some extra time with general pop.


24 posted on 05/05/2006 5:01:34 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: Old Grumpy
"One of them will kill him - That's my prediction."


Wrong. He will have no contact with other prisoners so unless a guard decides to throw his life away this guy is just going to wait out his time. And don't forget that BJ Clinton pardoned Puerto Rican terrorists, who had set off bombs and killed cops, in order to get his wife elected. Have no doubt that if the Democraps ever need the Islamic vote they will pardon this guy in a heart beat.
25 posted on 05/05/2006 5:02:56 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: bobjam
death by unga-bunga...

He'd probably enjoy that.

26 posted on 05/05/2006 5:04:24 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Jim Noble
Your outline is pretty much what is going to happen.

We lost this one. If/when the dems regain control, he will be out on parole.

The best we can hope for is that he will be converted in prison and repent. But that is a slender hope.
27 posted on 05/05/2006 5:07:58 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

I don't doubt that at all. My hope is that something better will be hammered out from whatever is left over.

Insurance is for catastrophic health care, not for "maintenance issues".

People who use insurance for health maintenance will pay high premiums because it is now an industry (scheme). People who pay cash for health maintenance won't participate in the insurance scheme. Better insurance for catastrophes health care is needed.


28 posted on 05/05/2006 5:09:14 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (Southern, Conservitive and Proud of it - Hmmm)
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To: Graybeard58
There is also a lot of islamic gangs in prison. That and he will never be in general population.
29 posted on 05/05/2006 5:09:15 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
This Canadian government will NEVER lobby for his release or transfer

I know that, which is why Al Qaeda will be working very hard to get a Canadian government elected which will.

Think Spain.

You think Canada's eastern city dwellers will be any different when the bombs start going off?

30 posted on 05/05/2006 5:10:19 AM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Agreed.


31 posted on 05/05/2006 5:10:49 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (Southern, Conservitive and Proud of it - Hmmm)
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To: mathprof
I was a little surprised that Missoui (sp) got life and not death but after giving it a little thought, I think I would rather die than spend the rest of my life in solitary.
32 posted on 05/05/2006 5:11:40 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Graybeard58
According to my "in family expert" on prisoners, my brother-in-law, who spent 23 years in prison, there are lots of patriotic cons. One of them will kill him...

I heard the sentence is to solitary confinement. It would seem the other cons will never even see him.

33 posted on 05/05/2006 5:13:20 AM PDT by Ditto (People who fail to secure jobs as fence posts go into journalism.)
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To: mkjessup
From information gleaned from various reports, he won't even be allowed contact with the person who brings the food.

The meal will be slid between two doors. The guard will exit, and when that door is locked, his cell door will be unlocked to enable him to get the food.

I suspect he will be on a hunger strike soon enough.

The question is whether we allow him to expire or force feed him.

34 posted on 05/05/2006 5:14:20 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: mathprof
On the contrary, I believe he WILL rot in prison. He will be received as a hero by the muslim population there and will be protected by them.

Unfortunately, we will be paying buko bucks to house and feed this monster for the rest of his natural life.
35 posted on 05/05/2006 5:17:59 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Support American sovereignty - boycott employers of illegal aliens)
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To: GonzoGOP
And don't forget that BJ Clinton pardoned Puerto Rican terrorists, who had set off bombs and killed cops, in order to get his wife elected

The FALN prisoners were nowhere near as well-known as Mousaoui, so it probably looked politically safer than pardoning Moussaoui would be.

36 posted on 05/05/2006 5:18:15 AM PDT by murdoog
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To: mkjessup

If he gets to watch any tv I hope they make him watch Fiddler on the Roof , The Bible shows and anything anti muslim. 24-7. Of course this is not torture, its entertainment. Id love to see him go out of whatever mind he has. I am afraid that we will have a kidnapping where hes going to be the one they demand release.


37 posted on 05/05/2006 5:18:29 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: mathprof

For those who argue that his sentence of life without parole is the worse than death, can they guarantee that no Americans will be taken hostage/killed for Moussaoui's release, or that some future liberal president won't give him clemency?


38 posted on 05/05/2006 5:20:11 AM PDT by Nephi (A vote for amnesty is a vote to impeach George W. Nixon)
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To: Graybeard58
...there are lots of patriotic cons. One of them will kill him - That's my prediction.

I wish that were true; I'd love to see him thrown into the general population with street thugs. But the reality is that in the institution at which he'll be incarcerated he will spend 23 hours a day locked up alone, an hour a day in an exercise room (if he behaves) and will have NO contact with other prisoners. His only human contact will be guards and an occasional interrogator.

The best we can hope for is that he will be fed lots of pork, so he'll starve himself to a "peaceful" death, and is shown the pigskin body bag awaiting him.

39 posted on 05/05/2006 5:21:18 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: from occupied ga

The daughter of one of the victims said her mother would be happy with the verdict since she was against the death penalty.


40 posted on 05/05/2006 5:21:45 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Graybeard58
I've work in a prison as an officer for 28 years and in the type of unit they'll put him in no one will be able to get to him to take care of him. most offenders after several years in a pod used for 23 hours in cell segregation get even more crazy and delusional (SIC). yes some of the cons are patriotic but modern facilities are near impossible to defeat unless there's a mistake made. hopefully one will be and the officer won't be fired for doing what needs to be done so the mistake happens, in the mean time i'm sure the officers will make his time there really special, i know i would.
41 posted on 05/05/2006 5:22:10 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: csvset
I listened carefully and it seemed to list the prisoners held in SUPERMAX prisons, but didn't really state which prison each was held.

Good thing too.

42 posted on 05/05/2006 5:22:47 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: GonzoGOP
He will have no contact with other prisoners so unless a guard decides to throw his life away this guy is just going to wait out his time.

Maybe we can get a guard with terminal cancer (nothing to lose) assigned to him...

43 posted on 05/05/2006 5:25:16 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: pandoraou812

Initially I was upset about no death penalty... but then I realized he would be in jail with some d*mn nasty people who probably don't like to hear "death to America".

I think when they get a hold of him, he will be sodomized, beat, tortured, and hopefully left to live to endure this day after day after day.

Never thought I would wish that on someone... but I do to this b*st*ard!


44 posted on 05/05/2006 5:25:50 AM PDT by JeffreyH ("Est Sularus oth Mithas")
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To: mkjessup

I'm for the death penalty, but I think this sentence might be a greater "hell" than being put to sleep peacefully. I can't imagine a life like this. I've toured 3 active Federal prisons and Alcatraz. Just those tours were enough confinement for me!


45 posted on 05/05/2006 5:26:20 AM PDT by Alissa
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To: mathprof

The next Democrat President will probably pardon him to appease the muslims and he also holds many of the same views that the Democrats hold.


46 posted on 05/05/2006 5:27:26 AM PDT by sport
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To: Jim Noble
France will immediately start agitation for his transfer to a French prison

I imagine the US has used back channels to explain to the French that any such attempt will be met with severe response.

47 posted on 05/05/2006 5:29:16 AM PDT by Glenn (There is a looming Tupperware shortage. Plan appropriately.)
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To: Jim Noble
In retrospect, the failure of the administration to execute him in 2001 was an incredible act of cowardice.

Ah, I see. So it's all Bush's fault. [yawn]

48 posted on 05/05/2006 5:29:44 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Jim Noble

"Every Democrat who runs for President for the next 50 years will be his Liberator-in-Waiting, in the spirit of international cooperation and respect for the world community, of course."

Hyperbole is fun, but of course there's no way a U.S. president would ever let this guy out or hand him over to France.


49 posted on 05/05/2006 5:30:14 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Old Grumpy
Bad thing is - they only have one hour each day to get at him.

Somehow, I have a feeling that something will happen during one of those hour blocks eventually. And the guards will just happen to be looking the other way when it does happen. Gotta love prison justice!

50 posted on 05/05/2006 5:32:36 AM PDT by Kellykoop
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