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Why Isn't Socialism Dead
TCS Daily ^ | 5 May 2006 | Lee Harris

Posted on 05/05/2006 5:59:43 AM PDT by RKV

The President of Bolivia, Evo Morales, celebrated May Day by ordering soldiers to occupy his country's natural gas fields. The purpose of this exercise was not military, but economic: Morales has demanded that all foreign companies currently operating these fields must sign a contract with Bolivia that would allow them to retain only 18% of the production, while the remainder would go to Bolivia's state-owned oil company. The 18% concession to the foreign companies was not an act of generosity on the part of Morales, but simply of expediency: Bolivia needs these companies to tap its natural gas resources, because it is unable, at least at present, to operate the natural gas fields on its own.

Morales, a fiery populist who was elected in a landslide, is clearly seen as following in the footsteps of Venezuela's own firebrand populist President Hugo Chavez. Furthermore, only last week, Morales and Chavez met with Fidel Castro, enacting a kind of socialist love-fest that issued in a partnership agreement aimed at creating a web of economic alliances in South America that would resist the insidious lure of American-style free trade -- its ultimate aim would be economic autarky for the region, free from foreign control.

In addition to sending in the troops, Morales is also sending forth a good bit of inflammatory rhetoric. He refers to the foreign companies operating Bolivia's natural resources as having "looted" them, and his decision to send in troops on the traditional socialist holiday, May the First, was clearly not a coincidence. In a similar vein, Morales' mentor, Hugo Chavez, has also been preaching that to be rich is to be wicked, while to be poor is to be virtuous -- and though he may be quoting scripture to support his arguments, there can be no serious question that Chavez-style populism is simply socialism with a South American accent.

And this leads to the question I want to address, namely, Why isn't socialism dead?

The Peruvian economist, Hernando de Soto, has argued in his book, The Mystery of Capital, that the failure of the various socialist experiments of the twentieth century has left mankind with only one rational choice about which economic system to go with, namely, capitalism. Socialism, he maintained, has been so discredited that any further attempt to revive it would be sheer irrationality. But if this is the case, which I personally think it is, then why are we witnessing what certainly appears to be a revival of socialist rhetoric and even socialist pseudo-solutions, such as the nationalization of foreign companies?

It should be stressed that de Soto is not arguing that, after the many socialist failures of the twentieth century, capitalism has became historically inevitable and that its expansion would occur according to some imaginary iron clad laws without any need for active intervention. On the contrary, de Soto is fully aware of the enormous obstacles to the expansion of capitalism, especially in regions like South America, and his book is full of dismal statistics that demonstrate the uphill battle against bureaucratic red-tape that is involved in getting a business license or even buying a house in many third world countries. But, here again, the question arises, If capitalism is mankind's only rational alternative, why do so many of the governments of third world nations make it so extraordinarily difficult for ordinary people to take the first small steps on the path of free enterprise?

For de Soto, the solution lies in democratizing capital. Minimize state interference. Cut the red-tape. Make it simple to start up a business. Devise ways for the poor to capitalize on their modest assets. If a person in the USA can get a loan based on the value of his $200,000 home, why shouldn't a much poorer fellow get a loan based on the value of his $2,000 shack?

These are all sensible ideas; they are all based on de Soto's belief that the only way to help the poor in the third world is to get the bloated bureaucratic state off their backs, and permit them to use their own creative initiative to do what so many poor immigrants to the USA were able to do in our past -- to start out as micro-entrepreneurs, and to work their way up to wealth and often fabulous riches. But again, we come back to the same question, only in a different form, Why are the people in Bolivia and Venezuela responding so enthusiastically to the socialist siren-song of Evo Morales and Hugo Chavez, instead of heeding the eminently rational counsel of Hernando de Soto? Why are they clamoring to give even more power and control to the state, instead of seeking to free themselves from the very obstacle that stands in the way of any genuine economic progress?

When Hernando de Soto asserts that capitalism is the only rational alternative left to mankind, he is maintaining that capitalism is the alternative that human beings ought to take because it is the rational thing to do. But what human beings ought to do and what they actually do are often two quite different things. For human beings frequently act quite irrationally, and without the least consideration of what economist called their "enlightened self-interest." And it is in this light that we must approach the problem, Why isn't socialism dead?

The Role of Myth

To try to answer this question, I want to return again to Georges Sorel.

National Review's Jonah Goldberg, in his response to my earlier piece on Sorel, made the excellent point that I had left out of my discussion what is unquestionably the heart of Sorel's thinking, namely, his concept of myth, and, in particular, his notion of the revolutionary myth. Furthermore, Jonah pointed out that Sorel's myth was a repudiation of what Marx has called "scientific socialism."

For Marx, scientific socialism had nothing to do with what Marx called utopian socialism; indeed, it was Marx's boast that he was the first socialist thinker to escape from the lure of fantasy thinking that had previously passed for socialist thought. Utopian socialists love to dream up ideal schemes for organizing human life; they engage in wishful politics, and design all sorts of utterly impractical but theoretically perfect social systems, none of which has the slightest chance of ever being actualized in concrete reality. For Marx, on the other hand, socialism had to be taken down from the clouds, and set firmly on the ground. Thus Marx, instead of spending his time writing about imaginary utopias, dedicated his life in trying to prove -- scientifically no less -- that socialism was not merely desirable, but historically inevitable. Capitalism, he argued, had been a good thing; a necessary step that mankind had to take to advance forward; but, according to Marx, capitalism would eventually suffer from an internal breakdown. It would simply stop producing the goods. Like feudalism before it, capitalism was inevitably bound to pass away as a viable system of social organization, and then, and only then, would socialism triumph.

But in this case, what was the role of the revolutionary? For Marx, it made no sense for revolutionaries to overthrow capitalism before it had fulfilled its historical destiny; on the contrary, to overthrow capitalism before it collapsed internally would be counter-productive: the precondition of viable socialism was, after all, a fully matured capitalist system that had already revolutionized the world through its amazing ability to organize labor, to make the best use of natural resources, to internationalize commerce and industry, and to create enormous wealth. Therefore, for Marx, there was no point in revolution for the sake of revolution. Instead, the would-be revolutionary had to learn to be patient; he had to wait until the capitalist system had failed on its own account, and only then would he be able to play out his historical role.

Yet even here the role of the revolutionary would be severely limited; there would only be a need for revolutionary violence if the dwindling class of capitalists were themselves prepared to use violence to defend their own political supremacy. This explains why Marx, toward the end of his life, argued that in the United States, which he regarded as the most progressive nation in the world, the transition from capitalism to socialism could in fact take place without any need for violent revolution at all -- the whole process, he said, could be brought about democratically and without bloodshed.

The school of Marxism represented by Emil Bernstein adapted this approach in regard to all the advanced capitalist nations of Europe, especially Germany. Known as "revisionism," this form of Marxism came to dominate the socialist parties of Europe before the First World War, and, in particular, the German Social Democrats who demonstrated their repudiation of revolutionary violence by taking part in the German Parliament, of which they made up an enormous bloc. For them, there was a peaceful and democratic path to socialism. Not only would socialism itself be rational; it would also emerge rationally, and without any need for anyone to man the barricades or to seize by violence the state apparatus.

It was this approach that Sorel entirely rejected. As Jonah Goldberg writes: "Sorel had contempt for socialists who wanted to make their case with facts and reason. Sorel called the prominent Italian socialist Enrico Ferri, one of those 'retarded people who believe in the sovereign power of science' and who believed that socialism could be demonstrated 'as one demonstrates the laws of the equilibrium of fluids.' True revolutionaries needed to abandon 'rationalistic prejudices' in favor of the power of Myth."

But why did Sorel, trained as an engineer and knowledgeable about science, reject scientific socialism? The answer, I think, is that Sorel suspected that socialism, in practice, simply might not ever really work. Jonah Goldberg points out Sorel "remained at best agnostic" about whether the General Strike would usher in socialism; but I would go further: Sorel himself was skeptical not only about the efficacy of the General Strike, but about the possibility of socialism as a viable economic system.

For example, in the introduction to Reflections on Violence, Sorel says that the French thinker Renan "was very surprised to discover that Socialists are beyond discouragement." He then quotes Renan's comment about the indefatigable perseverance of socialists: "After each abortive experiment they recommence their work: the solution is not yet found, but it will be. The idea that no solution exists never occurs to them, and in this lies their strength." (Italics mine.)

Sorel's response to Renan's comment is not to say, "Renan is wrong; there is a socialist solution, and one day we will find it." Instead, he focuses on the fact that socialists gain their strength precisely from their refusal to recognize that no socialist solution exists. "No failure proves anything against Socialism since the latter has become a work of preparation (for revolution); if they are checked, it merely proves that their apprenticeship has been insufficient; they must set to work again with more courage, persistence, and confidence than before...." But what is the point for Sorel of this refusal to accept the repeated historical failure of socialism? Here again, Sorel refuses to embrace the orthodox position of socialist optimism; he does not say, "Try, try, try again, for one day socialism will succeed." Instead, he argues that it is only by refusing to accept the failure of socialism that one can become a "true revolutionary." Indeed, for Sorel, the whole point of the myth of the socialist revolution is not that the human societies will be transformed in the distant future, but that the individuals who dedicate their lives to this myth will be transformed into comrades and revolutionaries in the present. In short, revolution is not a means to achieve socialism; rather, the myth of socialism is a useful illusion that turns ordinary men into comrades and revolutionaries united in a common struggle -- a band of brothers, so to speak.

Sorel, for whom religion was important, drew a comparison between the Christian and the socialist revolutionary. The Christian's life is transformed because he accepts the myth that Christ will one day return and usher in the end of time; the revolutionary socialist's life is transformed because he accepts the myth that one day socialism will triumph, and justice for all will prevail. What mattered for Sorel, in both cases, is not the scientific truth or falsity of the myth believed in, but what believing in the myth does to the lives of those who have accepted it, and who refuse to be daunted by the repeated failure of their apocalyptic expectations. How many times have Christians in the last two thousand years been convinced that the Second Coming was at hand, only to be bitterly disappointed -- yet none of these disappointments was ever enough to keep them from holding on to their great myth. So, too, Sorel argued, the myth of socialism will continue to have power, despite the various failures of socialist experiments, so long as there are revolutionaries who are unwilling to relinquish their great myth. That is why he rejected scientific socialism -- if it was merely science, it lacked the power of a religion to change individual's lives. Thus for Sorel there was "an...analogy between religion and the revolutionary Socialism which aims at the apprenticeship, preparation, and even the reconstruction of the individual -- a gigantic task."

It should be emphasized here that when Renan spoke about the repeated failure of socialist experiments, he was referring to the rather modest and small-scaled experiments undertaken by various utopian socialists of the nineteenth century. In 1906, neither he nor Sorel knew that in the dawning century there would be socialist experiments far beyond the scope and scale of Brook Farm or the Owenite communes. They could hardly envision entire nations falling into the hands of men who thought of themselves as dedicated revolutionaries -- avowed communists like Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, and Ho Chi Min, but also avowed fascists, like Mussolini and Hitler. The Nazis regarded themselves as genuine revolutionaries, and they call themselves revolutionaries, just as they always referred to their take-over of the German state as their revolution: for the Nazi, their revolution, and not the Bolshevik revolution, represented true socialism -- national socialism.

Can Socialism Die?

In light of the horrors brought about in the twentieth century by the revolutionary myth of socialism, it is easy to sympathize with those who believe mankind could not possibly be tempted to try the socialist experiment again. If the liberal rationalist Renan was surprised that "Socialists were beyond discouragement" at the beginning of the twentieth century, how much more surprised must his contemporary counterparts be to discover that socialism is also beyond discouragement at the beginning of the twenty-first century. Yet this is a lesson that Evo Morales and Hugo Chavez, under the guidance of their mentor, Fidel Castro, seem determined to impress upon us.

It may well be that socialism isn't dead because socialism cannot die. As Sorel argued, the revolutionary myth may, like religion, continue to thrive in "the profounder regions of our mental life," in those realms unreachable by mere reason and argument, where even a hundred proofs of failure are insufficient to wean us from those primordial illusions that we so badly wish to be true. Who doesn't want to see the wicked and the arrogant put in their place? Who among the downtrodden and the dispossessed can fail to be stirred by the promise of a world in which all men are equal, and each has what he needs?

Here we have the problem facing those who, like Hernando de Soto, believe that capitalism is the only rational alternative left after the disastrous collapse of so many socialist experiments. Yes, capitalism is the only rational method of proceeding; but is the mere appeal to reason sufficient to make the mass of men and women, especially among the poor and the rejected, shut their ears to those who promise them the socialist apocalypse, especially when the men who are making these promises possess charisma and glamour, and are willing to stand up, in revolutionary defiance, to their oppressors?

The shrewd and realistic Florentine statesman and thinker, Guicciardini, once advised: "Never fight against religion...this concept has too much empire over the minds of men." And to the extent that socialism is a religion, then those who wish to fight it with mere reason and argument may well be in for a losing battle. Furthermore, as populism spreads, it is inevitable that the myth of socialism will gain in strength among the people who have the least cause to be happy with their place in the capitalist world-order, and who will naturally be overjoyed to put their faith in those who promise them a quick fix to their poverty and an end to their suffering.

Thus, in the coming century, those who are advocates of capitalism may well find themselves confronted with "a myth gap." Those who, like Chavez, Morales, and Castro, are preaching the old time religion of socialism may well be able to tap into something deeper and more primordial than mere reason and argument, while those who advocate the more rational path of capitalism may find that they have few listeners among those they most need to reach -- namely, the People. Worse, in a populist democracy, the People have historically demonstrated a knack of picking as their leaders those know the best and most efficient way to by-pass their reason -- demagogues who can reach deep down to their primordial and, alas, often utterly irrational instincts. This, after all, has been the genius of every great populist leader of the past, as it is proving to be the genius of those populist leaders who are now springing up around the world, from Bolivia to Iran.

This is why socialism isn't dead, and why in our own century it may well spring back into life with a force and vigor shocking to those who have, with good reason, declared socialism to be no longer viable. It is also why Georges Sorel is perhaps even more relevant today than he was a hundred years ago. He knew that it was hopeless to guide men by reason and argument alone. Men need myths -- and until capitalism can come up with a transformative myth of its own, it may well be that many men will prefer to find their myths in the same place they found them in the first part of the twentieth century -- the myth of revolutionary socialism.

This is the challenge that capitalism faces in the world today -- whether it will rise to the challenge is perhaps the most urgent question of our time, and those who refuse to confront this challenge are doing no service to reason or to human dignity and freedom. Bad myths can only be driven out by better myths, and unless capitalism can provide a better myth than socialism, the latter will again prevail.

Lee Harris is author of Civilization and Its Enemies.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: bolivia; capitalism; dummiesloveit; hugochavez; latinamerica; leeharris; leftists; marxism; myth; socialism
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Long and informative article on the resurgence of populist socialism. MONEY QUOTE: "Men need myths -- and until capitalism can come up with a transformative myth of its own, it may well be that many men will prefer to find their myths in the same place they found them in the first part of the twentieth century -- the myth of revolutionary socialism."
1 posted on 05/05/2006 5:59:45 AM PDT by RKV
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To: RKV

As long as half the population is on the left side of the bell curve, and responds to populist idiocy that "I am a failure because the rice are taking it all", socialism will continue to thrive.


2 posted on 05/05/2006 6:02:01 AM PDT by Clemenza (If you don't trust the government to buy your groceries, why trust it to educate your children?)
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To: RKV

Socialism will be alive as long as stupidity is popular.


3 posted on 05/05/2006 6:04:20 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: RKV

Socialism may not be deat but Bolivia soon will be.


4 posted on 05/05/2006 6:05:25 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Clemenza
What have you got against rice???

;o)
5 posted on 05/05/2006 6:06:41 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: RKV

According to the American left, the right people haven't tried it yet. That would be them, I guess.


6 posted on 05/05/2006 6:07:34 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: Clemenza

TAX THE RICE!


7 posted on 05/05/2006 6:09:05 AM PDT by OSHA (Liberal Utopia: When they shoot people going over the wall.)
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To: LIConFem
LOL! I was thinking about what I was having for lunch today, Arborio rice with vegetables.

The damn rice have everything I tell ya! Especially the white rice!

8 posted on 05/05/2006 6:09:12 AM PDT by Clemenza (If you don't trust the government to buy your groceries, why trust it to educate your children?)
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To: RKV

Revolutionary socialism revival coming soon to a city near you.

Unfortunately the socialist libs are gaining strength thru the people they are supporting.


9 posted on 05/05/2006 6:09:48 AM PDT by stopem (To allow a bunch of third world country nationals to divide Americans is unconscionable!)
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To: RKV

"Why isn't socialism dead?"

Because we live in a fallen world.


10 posted on 05/05/2006 6:10:50 AM PDT by keats5
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To: RKV
When you look at the history of Socialism (and a bloody one it is)you have to come to the conclusion that Socialism is as Socialism does.

And what it does is confiscate existing wealth, and institute policies that make future wealth almost impossible except for those instituting the Socialist policies.
11 posted on 05/05/2006 6:11:02 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: JimRed

Yep. Given the actual historical results, counting on socialism is a matter of faith, and not of reason.


12 posted on 05/05/2006 6:11:05 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV
As long as humans experience a period of needy immaturity in their life cycles, socialism will have a voice.

It is not until a person becomes mature and fully self-reliant that the inherent evil of socialism becomes apparent.

 

13 posted on 05/05/2006 6:11:36 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ISLAM: The Other Psychosis)
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To: RKV
Bolivia needs these companies to tap its natural gas resources, because it is unable, at least at present, to operate the natural gas fields on its own.

Another Atlas Shrugged moment in the making.

14 posted on 05/05/2006 6:13:37 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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Men need myths -- and until capitalism can come up with a transformative myth of its own...

Capitalism is a philosophy of individual success, not group identities.

Socialism has myths of triumphant groups inheriting the earth. There is some power in that sort of myth. Capitalism's myths are of the Horatio Alger sort. But the academics try very hard to ridicule that. The great American industrialists of the late nineteenth century were all pilloried as "Robber Barons".

Everyone -- even many Conservatives -- wants to drag down the people at the top. Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Ken Lay, Martha Stewart -- they don't have too many friends. Achieving the dream of success under capitalism really puts a target on your back. Building a glorious myth out of that is hard.

But Ayn Rand did it, so it can be done.

15 posted on 05/05/2006 6:14:42 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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To: RKV

The reason its not dead is because its a religion to the left.


16 posted on 05/05/2006 6:14:58 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: 6SJ7

Ayn Rand was something of a prophetess, wasn't she?


17 posted on 05/05/2006 6:15:06 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: LIConFem; OSHA; Clemenza
What have you got against rice???; TAX THE RICE!


18 posted on 05/05/2006 6:16:31 AM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc
Hey, I didn't know Condi played football!!

;o)
19 posted on 05/05/2006 6:18:09 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: edpc

Having been a 49er fan since I was quite young, I can assure you the Jerry Rice has been taxed - a lot. He made a chunk of change playing ball, and the IRS surely got a piece of the action. ;>)


20 posted on 05/05/2006 6:18:54 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

Why Isn't socialism dead?

Good question, but the answer is that it's not dead because it offers total power to those at the top. My opinion is that's what Hillary sees in it, for instance.


21 posted on 05/05/2006 6:19:31 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: RKV

And so, unfortunately is history. From the Gay Nineties (1890s) paralleling Clinton's years, to the upsurgence of populist movements starting around 1905, paralleling the diminishing of democratic governments in South America, we seem to be on a path that could run to total war in the next ten years.

Re my tagline, it looks more and more impossible every day.
So many people WANT to be "looked after" and thus told what to do, that despots of every kind are eager to "give" these little people what they desire.


22 posted on 05/05/2006 6:22:51 AM PDT by maica ( We have a destination in mind, and that is a freer world. -- G W Bush)
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To: RKV

Socialism is making a resurgence. In this country. And if the Democrats take the majority in 06 and 08, capitalism will be for all intents and purposes finished in this country.


23 posted on 05/05/2006 6:23:02 AM PDT by Peach
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To: RKV
the reason socialism will never die is two-sided:

on the one side, people are jealous of those with more and crave security from want

on the other side, is the power to control others by fostering the illusion.

24 posted on 05/05/2006 6:23:05 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Clemenza
Arborio rice with vegetables.

If you like Arborio, try this:

Giada's Risotto

Her recipes are pretty good and she's easy on the eyes...


25 posted on 05/05/2006 6:26:20 AM PDT by edpc
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To: Peach

The GOP of today, isn't much for capitalism itself. If it's big business, capable of delivering big campaign contributions, that seems to be OK. Small and medium businesses aren't OK to the Repubs. Tort reform is stalled in Congress. Taxes have been lowered, but not permananently, to keep the threat of a Democratic (socialist) legislature up front. Business regulations passed by prior DemocRATic legislatures haven't been repealed. The BOR isn't in great shape either. The motto seems to be "the GOP, a kinder gentler (slightly slower) path to socialism."


26 posted on 05/05/2006 6:30:49 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: cinives

Yep, even though both the Ten Commandments and the Seven Deadly Sins forbid/warn against covetousness, greed, envy - class warfare continues unabated.


27 posted on 05/05/2006 6:32:22 AM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: RKV

Socialism is the best way for the rich and powerful to go on exploiting and controlling the poor and the middle class. It prevents you frm getting where tehy are, whcih is why the rich make the best socialists.


28 posted on 05/05/2006 6:35:38 AM PDT by TBP
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...but the answer is that it's not dead because it offers total power to those at the top.

And for those on the bottom; i.e., everyone else, it offers the promise of a PowerBall Lotto--the "chance" of a free lunch, free housing, free medical benefits, and guaranteed income for life.

The only thing is, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

29 posted on 05/05/2006 6:37:33 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: RKV

Socialism isn't dead yet because the hildabeast is still living.


30 posted on 05/05/2006 6:38:49 AM PDT by taillightchaser (!)
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To: Clemenza

As usual, we can blame it on White Rice-ism! ;^)


31 posted on 05/05/2006 6:42:41 AM PDT by LiveFreepOrDie
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To: RKV
Socialism isn't dead because the system gives great power to the government officials that administrate it.

32 posted on 05/05/2006 6:45:32 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: taillightchaser

If getting rid of the hildabeast was all it would take to get rid of socialism I'd do it myself and count the cost cheap. It ain't that simple. Human nature being what it is, greed and fear are powerful motivators. For those who don't have moral restraints, socialism relies heavily on those two human failings.


33 posted on 05/05/2006 6:49:59 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

Ignorance among a majority of the populace, is bliss for those in the nasty business of imposing socialism upon them.


34 posted on 05/05/2006 6:53:13 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Those waiting to legally immigrate, weren't invited to the illegal alien Mayday riot.Why ?)
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To: TBP

Good point. Even here in the (sort of) capitalist US, high taxes (and particularly "progressive" income taxes) are designed to prevent hard working middle class people from getting rich. If they got rich, they would have the time (and the experience) to re-shape our political landscape in ways that the current "elite" wouldn't like.


35 posted on 05/05/2006 6:53:39 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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This is the first I have read such a thorough analysis of Socialism as, essentially, a religion. That is precisely what it is, a godless, secular religion based on a repeatedly disproven myth.

Sorel also perverts the faith of Christianity to make his comparison. To reduce the Christian faith to a "myth that Christ will one day return and usher in the end of time" is an intellectually lazy construct of convenience. If the belief in the second coming of Christ was all Christianity had to offer, I dare say there wouldn't be many Christians in the world.

But the myth is all that socialism has to offer most people. Those who better understand it know that socialism creates a famously wealthy ruling class, so they likely have more realistic, though certainly more selfish, reasons for promoting it.

36 posted on 05/05/2006 6:59:26 AM PDT by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: RKV
Why Isn't Socialism Dead?

Because one critical difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.

37 posted on 05/05/2006 7:00:05 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: TChris

Glad you like the article. I want to check out the author's book now.


38 posted on 05/05/2006 7:02:29 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV
Politicians must appear to be compassionate and empathetic to get the most votes. Capitalism (hard work, self-reliance, forebearance) is a hard sell.

Look at David Cameron in the UK, under him the Tories are gaining ground for the first time in years because he appears to be a socialist. Brits will find out for sure only after he is elected.

Republicans must learn to say one thing, and do another. This trait comes easy to a true politician.


BUMP

39 posted on 05/05/2006 7:03:10 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: capitalist229
"Republicans must learn to say one thing, and do another."
I don't agree. In fact this is dead wrong. In fact, this iw what we have now. Party of "smaller government" my@ss. Etc.
"This trait comes easy to a true politician."
Yep. Doesn't make it right, and doesn't work out in the long term.
40 posted on 05/05/2006 7:09:29 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Socialism will be alive as long as stupidity is popular.

Well said!

41 posted on 05/05/2006 7:09:31 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: FormerLib

Whereas stupidity knows no bounds! LOL.


42 posted on 05/05/2006 7:14:06 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Clemenza

I would say that a big part of the problem, in places like Venezuela, is that income distribution doesn't look anything like a bell curve. I'd guess that it probably has a very big bulge down near the bottom, a fairly low level through the middle incomes, and then a smaller bulge up at the higher end - i.e. big mass of desperate poverty, a small to moderately-size middle class, and a few ultra-rich. That's what makes so many people willing to embrace radical revolutionary thinking in a place like Venezuela.

OTOH, the income distribution in the US, for example, probably is more like a bell curve, and socialism does appeal to those on the left side of the curve, but not strongly enough to enough people to engender support of a Marxist revolutionary.


43 posted on 05/05/2006 7:17:44 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: keats5
The Antichrist is the ultimate socialist dictator.
44 posted on 05/05/2006 7:24:49 AM PDT by marbren
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To: William Terrell

Someone has said, "Socialism works - for those in charge."


45 posted on 05/05/2006 7:25:29 AM PDT by Noumenon (Yesterday's Communist sympathizers are today's terrorist sympathizers)
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To: RKV
But if this is the case, which I personally think it is, then why are we witnessing what certainly appears to be a revival of socialist rhetoric and even socialist pseudo-solutions, such as the nationalization of foreign companies?

Because of "free trade".
46 posted on 05/05/2006 7:27:12 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: RKV
This is why socialism isn't dead, and why in our own century it may well spring back into life with a force and vigor shocking to those who have, with good reason, declared socialism to be no longer viable.

Socialism is alive and well in Europe and there is creeping socialism in the US. Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are increasing in scope and cost.

48 million Americans receive Social Security benefits, including 33 million retirees, 7 million survivors, and 8 million disabled workers. There are 50 million Medicaid recipients.

Nearly 80% of Americans pay more in Social Security taxes than they do in federal income tax.

By 2030, there will be 70 million Americans of retirement age--twice as many as today.

Social Security pays more than $450 billion in benefits each year. If nothing is done, by 2060, the combination of Social Security and Medicare will account for more than 71 percent of the federal budget.

47 posted on 05/05/2006 7:30:51 AM PDT by kabar
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To: RKV
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

~Professor Alexander Tytler

48 posted on 05/05/2006 7:32:28 AM PDT by Mase
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To: Mase
Why Isn't Socialism Dead

OOPS sorry. I thought this was a thread about Hillary.

49 posted on 05/05/2006 7:35:29 AM PDT by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: RKV
Bolivia needs these companies to tap its natural gas resources, because it is unable, at least at present, to operate the natural gas fields on its own.

This is the socialist model. Marx as much as admitted that socialism can't get the job done; it doesn't come into its own until the capitalists have done the heavy lifting. Then economic systems "evolve" into the communist model, often by way of socialism.

For what it's worth, the nationalized Saudi oil oligopoly is just about the same model. American know-how found the oil and brought it out, then the production was turned over to the bedouins. And now we're paying to buy the oil that we found in the first place.

50 posted on 05/05/2006 7:38:44 AM PDT by IronJack
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