Skip to comments.Saudi cleric sees U.S. collapsing, Muslim victory (laugh/barf alert)
Posted on 05/05/2006 7:44:33 AM PDT by kromike
In a lecture that touched on the meaning of jihad, a leading Saudi cleric declared the United States is collapsing and Muslims must patiently await their ultimate victory.
Sheik Nasser bin Suleiman Al-Omar said in remarks broadcast on the Arab satellite network Al-Jazeera April 19, "The Islamic nation now faces a great phase of jihad," according to the Middle East Media Research Institute.
Referring to sacred Muslim writings that accompany the Quran, the sheik said, "Whoever is familiar with the Sunna and the Hadith knows that a battle against the enemies of Allah awaits on the horizon, in which the Muslims will be victorious. This is confirmed by the reliable hadiths, as well as by reality."
Jihad is now taking place in Afghanistan, "Palestine," Iraq, Chechnya, Kashmir and the Philippines, he said.
Meanwhile, the sheik asserted to his audience, love for America is "now disappearing from the hearts, within America itself and elsewhere, whereas Islam is growing even within America, my brothers."
"Islam is making steady progress in America," Al-Omar said. "Twenty-five thousand people have converted to Islam every year since 9-11, and an even larger figure was mentioned in the New York Times."
The sheik cited a report "submitted by the American intelligence to the American officials, regarding the religion of Islam, which some think is defeated or weak today," saying Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and Muslims soon will become one-third of the world's population.
He quoted a "U.S. Congressman John Morlan" there is no representative by that name who supposedly said: "The 21st century is the century of Islam, which will offer an opportunity for peace in the world."
The sheik added: "There is no doubt that it is Islam that will bring peace, and not the U.N., America, Russia, or anyone else."
Interviewed for a PBS "Frontline" documentary on the House of Saud in December 2004, Al-Omar opposed the rewriting of Saudi religious textbooks to eliminate anti-Western, anti-Jewish teachings, and he was one of 26 prominent Saudi clerics who signed a fatwa saying Iraqis should rise up and oppose the Americans in Iraq.
In the Al Jazeera lecture, turning to Iraq, Al-Omar said that with its casualties, "America is now in a predicament."
"You follow the media. America is looking for a way out," he said. "Yes, I am aware of the harsh reality. I am aware of what is happening to our Muslim brothers in Iraq, and I'm referring especially to the Sunni Arabs, against whom all have conspired and who have been deserted by their closest friends."
The sheik claimed American reports of the number of casualties in Iraq, about 2,000, are false. He cited "one of the news agencies" and "several of Iraq's religious scholars" who claim there have been more than 40,000 American and Western casualties in three years.
Al-Omar said Americans are dumping their casualties in the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, prompting Iraqi scholars to ask him for a fatwa.
The sheik explained: "Because there were so many casualties, the Americans began to throw them into the Tigris and the Euphrates. The fish have eaten from the flesh of the American and have gotten fat. Are we permitted to eat these fish or not?' Yes. This is the truth, brothers."
Al-Omar said the "Islamic nation now faces a great phase of jihad, unlike anything we knew 50 years ago."
Fifty years ago, jihad was attributed only to a few individuals in Palestine, and in some other Muslims areas, he said, but "following the events of Afghanistan, the nation has embraced jihad. Young and old, men and women - everyone is talking about jihad."
Some young Muslims today, however, because of their "love for jihad," are getting involved in conflicts that are not properly jihad, he said, adding "all these minor battles, which took place in certain Muslim countries, only delay the victory."
"This diverts the strife and calamity into the lands of the Muslims, instead of aiming them directly at the enemies," he said.
In a June 13, 2004, interview with Al-Majd television, Al-'Omar said "America is collapsing from within."
"Where are America's principles of justice and democracy?" he asked. " Is America now, with its reputation and status, the same America of 30 years ago the source of hope for many people?"
Islam is "advancing according to a steady plan," the sheik said, "to the point that tens of thousands of Muslims have joined the American army and Islam is the second largest religion in America."
"Today," he said, "America is defeated. I have no doubt, not even for a minute, that America is on its way to destruction."
But the United States "will be destroyed gradually," he said, requiring Muslims to be "patient."
MEMRI recently reported Libyan Leader Moammar Gadhafi declared in a speech aired on Al Jazeera that Islam will take over Europe without violent force within a few decades.
"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe," Gadhafi said. "There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquests. The 50 million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."
I see the same thing.
We do not have the will to win and destroy our enemies.
You can't defeat an enemy that you are unwilling to offend.
Like a bug to a light, American just doesn't seem willing to fully recognize and FULLY fight this clear and present danger. If Sept. 11 didn't wake us, what will it take?
I guess this guy took a lesson from the dims. You can lie with impunity. To bad we know better. Eat doo doo and die idiot!
Meanwhile, the sheik asserted to his audience, love for America is “now disappearing from the hearts, within America itself and elsewhere, whereas Islam is growing even within America, my brothers.”He may have a point there. At least, our teachers and professors do whatever they can to prove him right.
“Islam is making steady progress in America,” Al-Omar said. “Twenty-five thousand people have converted to Islam every year since 9-11, and an even larger figure was mentioned in the New York Times.”So, he even knows about the permanent defeatism in the New York Times? Amazing!
It remains to be seen what will happen, but this lecture really isn't very funny. He's right. Unless the West takes up arms against Islam, drives it back, and deprives it of the oil wealth that gives them so much leverage in the world, Islam will win.
Maybe the US won't collapse in this century, but it's likely enough that Europe will, and they have plenty of time on their side. The message of Islam has kept them at the Jihad for 1400 years, and it will continue to keep them at it for centuries to come, unless they are driven back, contained, and converted.
I don't see even the smallest sign that the US has the will to do anything like that. We may well stand them off, but they have time to wait before they take the next slice out of civilization. Islam takes, but it doesn't give back, and it has a very long-range, continually self-renewing plan of conquest.
So, if we get a lib congress in 2006 and hitlary in 2008, what is to stop the U.S. from spiraling into the toilet?
Hi Taxes, no defense, no will to fight.....
We do not have the will to win and destroy our enemies.
Take careful note. This is not empty rhetoric.
This is the plan.
It will take an American in the media, an American in Congress, and an American in the White House.
We are being defeated by the people who can direct the flow of information, those who shape our national mood, those who help us forget, those who offer distractions from reality.
The USA of our founders has already collapsed...
The Communists,CFR ,Trilats, and NWO 'elite' did it....
Muslims are merely another distraction used to help consolidate the real bosses' power...
Just like the illegal alien invaders...
" "U.S. Congressman John Morlan"
I think I'll change my Freeper name to "U.S. Congressman John Morlan", and post nothing but ridiculous bullsh!t!
"Because there were so many casualties, the Americans began to throw them into the Tigris and the Euphrates. The fish have eaten from the flesh of the American and have gotten fat. Are we permitted to eat these fish or not?' Yes. This is the truth, brothers."
This dude is really hitting the Shisha pipe too hard.
At least all of the bodies in the rivers have not (yet) changed the migration patterns of sharks!
But could explain the drop in the price of Iranian caviar...
I see no evidence whatsoever that Islam is a united religion: for at least the last 2,000 years, they've been killing each other for the pure savage pleasure of it. And long before we started "offending" them with a litany of lame excuses. They've never been able to get their act together before, why should they now?
These so-called clerics are as detached from the moderate Muslim as your garden-variety dimocRAT is detached from Joe SixPack. It bugs me to no end that truly get-along Muslims don't grow a collective pair and tell these idiots to jam it, but I just don't see most rational Muslims throwing away the good life they've acquired in the West to answer the "call to Jihad". Capitalism has a funny way of elightening people to pursue a better life for themselves. Iraq is that proverbial seed that will show the average Muslim over time that these clerics promise lots of heavenly delights, but deliver nothing but raw misery.
This rhetoric is so tired. I don't dispute the threat these retards pose, but much of this bluster is done solely to elevate themselves among their colleagues. Whether it's bin-laden, zawihiri, zarqwawi, or any other pissed-off towel-head, they all say the same thing to keep their base energized (sound familiar?). Hate is an intense emotion, but because it's intense, it will ultimately burn its collective self out. But not thru conquest as they so desperately hope, but through mere exhaustion. Unfortunately, it takes time.
DemocRATS & liberals alike think they have the better answer -- appeasement. We've already seen proof of this and its results in places such as France, Amsterdam, Spain, and even England to a degree. Western civilization is a reverse tootsie-pop: a big soft outer shell with a hard center. Islam is still "licking" that soft outer shell, wearing it down. But if and when they reach that hard center, watch out. When it comes to survival, these Islamofascists may be ready to die for their cause, but us "Men of the West" are ready to kill in order to live for ours. It's regrettable that a lot of innocent people may have to unnecessarily die before the West "gets the message", but it ultimately will. So, if by some terrible fate, Democrats get back into power, it'll be short-lived. Their lack of ideas, patriotism, and sheer common-sense will guarantee their electoral defeat for decades to come...
So when I "laugh" it's a mirthless, shake-your-head type of laugh...
I guess he watched the Moussoui trial and saw the killer laughing his ass off at the soft Americans. I expect lots of jihadists will be laughing at us now.