Research fuels religious debate over homosexuality

Science & Theology News ^ | May 5, 2006 | Shoshana Kordova

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[gr8eman]

I guess being captured and held prisoner in Iraq has given the girl who wrote this a lot to think about!

[Semper Paratus]

The Gay lobby will fight any designation of homosexuality as a 'disorder' because that implies a 'cure' is possible.

[mlc9852]

"Our best guess is that multiple genes, potentially interacting with environmental influences, explain differences in sexual orientation.”

Best guess? That sounds scientific.

[dcnd9]

That is what they have been fighting all along that IT IS a "disordered" state.

[conservative physics]

quote "the homosexual orientation is not chosen and, therefore, is not sinful in and of itself"

rofl!

So I guess people born with the need to kill people aren't committing a sin either since they didn't choose to be born with the need to murder people.

[dcnd9]

Steve is right.....

“The will is greater than anything else in the world.”

By the grace of God we can overcome anything!

[JamesP81]

It doesn't matter if homosexuality is biological or environmental or both. I'm a 24 year old male, as such, I have this overwhelming desire to have sex with as money fine looking women as I can.

But to do so would be a sin, and as such, I will wait for marriage and after marriage my wife is the only one who will share my bed. It doesn't matter that I was born lustful tendencies. What matters is what God empowers me to do about it and the choice I make.

[DBeers]

Best guess? That sounds scientific.

LOL -the false premised voodoo science was actually introduced just prior to the "best guess" throw away when Mustanski stated: "“There is no one gay gene,” “Sexual orientation is a complex trait,”"

Actually, NO gay gene or genes have been identified -he implies there are some. Additionally he declares that there is something he can not identify and or measure termed “sexual orientation" and goes further by terming his faithful belief in the existence of “sexual orientation" a trait (Trait: an innate genetically determined characteristic or condition)...

[mlc9852]

I get confused whether homosexuals want to believe they don't have a choice and we should just accept them or it is a choice and our children should choose homosexuality.

[bigLusr]

So I guess people born with the need to kill people aren't committing a sin either since they didn't choose to be born with the need to murder people.

According to most Christians, no, they're not... unless and until they act on that need. Note the quote. "The homosexual orientation is not chosen and, therefore, is not sinful..." It doesn't say "The act of homosexual fornication is not chosen and, therefore, is not sinful..." They're saying you can't choose to whom you're attracted and so won't be held accountable for that... but you can choose what to do about your attraction.

Put another way, since fornication between any two people is sinful, being attracted to another person of the same sex is just as sinful as being attracted to a person of the opposite sex to whom you are not married.

You don't sin, according to the popular view, until you actually commit a sinful act.

Of course, Christians with this view aren't familiar with Matthew 5:28. Those that are realize that all lust (heterosexual or homosexual) is sinful, that all of us are guilty of it, and that we all need God's forgiveness.

[avile]

"the Abrahamic faiths continue their struggle to define views on homosexuality"

Orthodox Judaism has no struggle in its definition of homosexuality.
Fake Rabbis-i.e. reform do not practice Judaism and if they have a struggle it is because they continually remake their beliefs

[taxed2death]

"So I guess people born with the need to kill people aren't committing a sin either since they didn't choose to be born with the need to murder people."

That's an interesting statement. Supposed the person born "with a need to kill" was mentally deficient / retarded to not be able to differentiate between right and wrong. The act of killing someone is certainly a sin. but if the one doing the killing is not capable of processing that critical tid bit of information, could he still be considered guilty of a sin?

[Question_Assumptions]

What really amazes me about this whole nature vs. nurture debate on homosexuality is that conservatives and liberals tend to be on the other side of the fence when it comes to almost any behavior except sexual orientation. Stereotypical male and female behavior? Conservatives think it's inborn while liberals think it's cultural. Violent criminals? Conservatives want to lock them up because they can't be rehabilitated while liberals believe they can be rehabilitated. And so on.

Is consistency really that difficult to ask for? Yes, I know these issues can be different but if you can imagine sex roles being biological, is it that difficult to imagine that sexual orientation might also be biological, or vice versa?

[vpintheak]

Well put. It is part of the curse. It can be washed by the blood of the Lamb.

[Dems_R_Losers]

The whole notion of "sexual orientation" is BS. Tab A goes in Slot B. That's the way we are made. Until I see a man with a vagina and ovaries or a woman with a penis and testicles I will not be convinced otherwise. Sexual attraction exists only to induce mating in order to propagate the species. Many humans happen to think sexual intercourse is fun and enjoyable, but that does not make any sexual intercourse or any attraction that leads to intercourse natural.

[Question_Assumptions]

You are confusing "inborn" with "natural" or, more likely, "normal" or "desirable" or "correct". Some children are born fused to their twins. Some children are born with no brains. Some children are born with genetic defects like Down's Syndrome. That's the way they are born. That doesn't make it "normal", "desirable", or "correct". As for sexual desires having a reproductive purpose, people experience hunger to eat to survive but that can get out of control, too, and produce all sorts of problems. If you think every person is born perfect and correct and only bad choices mess them up, you better do some more research on all of the defects that plenty of children are born with. Something can be "inborn" and "natural" and still be a "defect" or "abnormal".

Please also note that I personally believe that behavior is a product of nature and nuture, which has implications that neither side likes.

[nitzy]

I don't know of any "natural defects" that leave the victim 100% able in every aspect of mental cognition and physical health except one odd preference. If you could give me another example I might change my mind.

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