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E.U. Solution to U.S. Illegal Immigration
Santa Monica Mirror ^ | May 4 - 10, 2006 | Steven Hill

Posted on 05/05/2006 1:54:20 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer

Immigration issues are always ripe for demagoguery, particularly in an election year. But the solution to the very real problems along the U.S.-Mexican border can be found, ironically, in that other part of the world that American demagogues love to ridicule: old Europe.

Two years ago, the European Union admitted 10 new nations into their backyard. Like Mexico, all of these nations were poor, some of them fairly backward, corrupt and recently ravaged by war and communist dictatorship.

But the leaders of the European Union wisely created policies for fostering regional economic and political integration that make efforts like the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) look timid and halfhearted by comparison.

Europe realized it had to prevent a "giant sucking sound" of businesses and jobs relocating from the 15 wealthier nations to the 10 poorer nations. It also had to foster prosperity and the spread of a middle class in these emerging economies, and prevent an influx of poor workers to the richer nations.

So for starters it gave the new states massive subsidies – billions of dollars – to help construct schools, roads, telecommunications and housing, making these nations more attractive for business investment. The idea was to raise up the emerging economies rather than drag down the advanced economies. It is expensive, but the result has turned out to be a larger economic union in which a rising tide floats all boats.

In return, the 10 poorer nations had to agree to raise their standards on the environment, labor laws, health and safety and more. The incentive of admission to the European club was used as the carrot to the poorer nations for acceptance of human rights and political democracy. There won't be any border maquiladoras in the European Union.

The flow of worker migration still is regulated. Immigrants will be carefully integrated so as to cause the least amount of disruption to the developed economies, with the goal of having open borders within a decade or two.

This bold yet carefully planned EU approach suggests the direction that policy between the U.S. and Mexico should go. Increasingly the demands of the global economy will push the North American regional integration out of the realm of a shadow economy and flawed free trade agreement. But what might such an American-Mexican union look like?

It would start with massive subsidies from the U.S. to Mexico, a Tex-Mex Marshall Plan, with the goal of decreasing disparities on the Mexican side of the border and fostering a climate riper for investment. This would create more jobs in Mexico and foster a middle class, homeownership and better schools, roads and healthcare. Fewer Mexicans would then desire to emigrate north, instead staying home, creating more consumers to buy U.S. products.

But Europe's union is not just an economic one; it also includes continent-wide political institutions for all 25 nations. As American-Mexican economic integration unfolds, regional political structures also make sense to allow better coordination and supervision of the regulatory regime and common goals. Canada, not wishing to be left out, would ask for inclusion.

And here's an even more intriguing possibility. We always assume that opening the border means hordes of Mexicans streaming north, but under this scenario, more Americans also would begin emigrating to Mexico. With the cost of living spiraling along the coasts and in cities, many Americans would find not only the cheaper prices but also the warm climate and palm trees of Mexico a more attractive alternative than relocating to the frigid tundras of South Dakota or Kansas.

Call it the Mexican safety valve, with American workers migrating to Mexico in search of jobs, homeownership, even to start businesses. In other words, they would chase the American dream in Mexico. Already we see the beginnings of this, with American expatriate communities springing up around cities such as Guadalajara.

The Census Bureau predicts that by 2050 the number of Latinos and Asians will triple in the U.S. and whites will make up only 50% of the nation's population. For many people, these changes are alarming, but economic disparities guarantee that poor Mexicans will continue seeking entry into El Norte, legally or illegally.

Given these demographic realities, gradual integration of the American and Mexican economies is the only sensible solution. Of course, U.S. politicians are reluctant to talk about this levelheaded approach, preferring to stick to bumper-sticker slogans and avoid the reality of border issues.

In the meantime, the U.S. is missing out on huge economic opportunities while the European Union has grown to the largest trading bloc in the world, poised for the 21st century. Old Europe is looking spry on its feet, while the U.S. is looking clumsy and stuck to the flypaper of old ideas.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; Mexico; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aliens; cafta; eu; euroweenies; freetrade; ftaa; immigrantlist; nafta; openborders; socialism; sovereignty
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Our illegal immigration problems are because these policies ARE being implemented, only our politicians are afraid to admit it to the American people.
1 posted on 05/05/2006 1:54:22 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Justanobody; B4Ranch; Nowhere Man; Coleus; neutrino; endthematrix; investigateworld; garandgal; ...

I think the globalists are attempting to test the waters by going public to the American people.


2 posted on 05/05/2006 1:56:10 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Last I checked, things are not all rosy in the EU...


3 posted on 05/05/2006 2:01:28 PM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Agreed.

So, I gather that the gist of the article is that we are supposed to give Vincente Fox a lot of American dollars to improve his country?

How completely asinine is that? On how many levels?

Damn peacenik idiot. They should all go stand in front of a giant bulldozer. (Not you, the writer of the 'article').


4 posted on 05/05/2006 2:01:45 PM PDT by SusaninOhio
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To: hedgetrimmer
THE ANSWER TO THE MEXICAN IMMIGRATION PROBLEM: Make Mexico the 51st state, and they all automatically become citizens. Eurowinnie style government at work! /sarcasm still on.
5 posted on 05/05/2006 2:02:00 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Politicians and the U.S. Government are liars, cheats and thieves, in it for their own gain.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

I note that nowhere in this article are any metrics that this approach is actually working.


6 posted on 05/05/2006 2:02:30 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Europe realized it had to prevent a "giant sucking sound" of businesses and jobs relocating from the 15 wealthier nations to the 10 poorer nations. It also had to foster prosperity and the spread of a middle class in these emerging economies,

so they sold out their people under socialistic ideals to people who won't,or now have the need to,assimilate. Guess "old europe" will remain forever old......

Doogle

7 posted on 05/05/2006 2:03:40 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th TFW...Ubon Thailand...408thMMS..."69"...Night Line Delivery...AMMO!!)
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To: hedgetrimmer

The massive Mexican Marshall Plan will go straight into the pockets of the ruling elites, like every other substantial chunk of change has gone since the 1920s. The only President of Mexico over the past 60 years who didn't retired wealthy beyond his wildest dreams was Miguel de la Madrid. Meanwhile, the peons will be as miserable as ever, and eager to swim the river and live here. This guy has no clue of how Mexico operates.


8 posted on 05/05/2006 2:03:57 PM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: hedgetrimmer

Stephen Hill? From the New America Foundation?
Could we find a more anti-American, one world, source to post than this?


9 posted on 05/05/2006 2:04:11 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: P-40
Last I checked, things are not all rosy in the EU...

Let's see, 65% taxes, 15% unemployment, arthritic economic growth, massive welfare, and spontaneous rioting and car torching.

We really don't want of that bad medicine here. The person that cooked up this idiotic scheme ought to live in the rough parts of Paris for a month before spewing this crap all over our bandwidth.
10 posted on 05/05/2006 2:07:16 PM PDT by JamesP81
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To: hedgetrimmer

THE ILLEGAL ALIENS ALREADY ARE SENDING $20 BILLION/YEAR.


11 posted on 05/05/2006 2:07:45 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Europe realized it had to prevent a "giant sucking sound" of businesses and jobs relocating from the 15 wealthier nations to the 10 poorer nations. It also had to foster prosperity and the spread of a middle class in these emerging economies, and prevent an influx of poor workers to the richer nations.

And Germany's unemployment rate is 11.3% The plan is working.

</sarc>

12 posted on 05/05/2006 2:10:55 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Prokopton
It IS anti-american.

The point of posting this, is that our federal government is already doing everything he suggests.

But the leaders of the European Union wisely created policies for fostering regional economic and political integration

An historic agreement signed by Peter Watson, OPIC President and CEO, and Fernando Canales, Secretary of the Economy. Said agreement will now extend loans of up to $250 million per project to American businesses investing in Mexico.

The US Trade and Development Agency pledged its support for P4P by announcing its intent to provide $1.38 million of assistance through three separate activities in the region:

1) USTDA signed an MOU with Aeropuertos y Servicios Auxiliares for the expansion and modernization of the Cuidad Obregon International Airport in Sonora, Mexico,

2) USTDA announced plans to award a grant to Mexico’s Secretariat for Communications and Transportation for technical assistance and capacity building, and

3) USTDA awarded a technical assistance contract to support competition policy in Mexico and strengthen the institutional capacity of Mexico’s Federal Competition Commission.

The US Small Business Administration plans to sign an MOU with several Mexican government agencies, intended to formalize cross-border cooperation in aiding small exporters. The Ministry of Economy has launched the Program for the Development of the Software Industry (PROSOFT) as Mexico is aggressively seeking to develop its software and related services industry. Mexico is aiming to compete with India, Russia, China and others for outsourced projects from US companies. Mexico counts on its close proximity to the US and its growing number of students specializing in Information Technology to achieve this goal.
13 posted on 05/05/2006 2:11:50 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

I suspect Mexico might object to being annexed by the US.


14 posted on 05/05/2006 2:12:05 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: SusaninOhio

"So, I gather that the gist of the article is that we are supposed to give Vincente Fox a lot of American dollars to improve his country? "


Well, after his buddies steal it all and send it to their numbered bank accounts, the poverty problem in the Cayman Islands will be solved.


15 posted on 05/05/2006 2:16:19 PM PDT by Utahrd
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To: Wonder Warthog

"I suspect Mexico might object to being annexed by the US"

Mexico is the one doing the annexing.


16 posted on 05/05/2006 2:16:59 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: hedgetrimmer

One of the reasons I burst into tears when my brother called and told me about the planes hitting the WTC on 9/11 was that so much we Americans and President Bush could have accomplished during the Bush administration was now going to be impossible with the upcoming war expenditures.

The 21st Century was going to be "the Century of the Americas" with a lot of aid for economic development in Mexico, Central and South America with the same goals as this European plan.

Instead we got the Century of Global Terrorism and the clash of fundamentalist Islam with Western civilization.

I read about some of the Mexicans in Mexico City cheering at the planes hitting the WTC, and thought they had no idea how much a dagger into their hearts also were those planes used as missiles.


17 posted on 05/05/2006 2:18:04 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Prokopton
So for starters it gave the new states massive subsidies – billions of dollars – to help construct schools, roads, telecommunications and housing, making these nations more attractive for business investment

The Partnership for Prosperity is a joint effort led by the U.S. Departments of State and Treasury, and the Mexican Ministries of Foreign Relations and Finance. It draws upon creative analysis and ideas of U.S. and Mexican economists, business and community leaders, and development experts. Last December, representatives of this group met for the first time in Merida, Yucatan, for a brainstorming session. They agreed to craft a working program that will promote infrastructure development at the border and beyond, including transportation and telecommunications projects; investment in human resources basic education and worker training programs; guaranteeing the rule of law at the state and local level; an active promotion of trade and investment opportunities by state authorities and; dynamic participation by the private and academic sectors in industrial research and development.

http://www.maquilaportal.com/editorial/editorial180.htm

Now, I'd like to add that it isn't the purpose of our government to spend our tax money in FOREIGN COUNTRIES so that they are attractive for businesses to invest there. And yet, under "free trade" agreements, this is EXACTLY what our government is doing.

Now if you don't like the author's political views, you'd better sit down. Because our government is being run by people like him, our white house and congress are populated by people like him. So maybe its better to read what he as to say, so the American people can know what they are dealing with.
18 posted on 05/05/2006 2:18:27 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: JamesP81
The person that cooked up this idiotic scheme ought to live in the rough parts of Paris for a month

They are the G8, the WTO, the World Bank and the IMF. They know exactly what they are doing.
19 posted on 05/05/2006 2:19:43 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Wonder Warthog
I suspect Mexico might object to being annexed by the US.

As would Americans object to their annexation. Just take Costa Rica, a territory for quite some time, and no one here wants a fifty first state, and they don't want to be one.
20 posted on 05/05/2006 2:21:08 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

That's Puerto Rico.


21 posted on 05/05/2006 2:22:53 PM PDT by Utahrd
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To: hedgetrimmer

Puerto Rico, perhaps?


22 posted on 05/05/2006 2:25:05 PM PDT by Rodentking (There is no God but Yahweh and Moses is his prophet - http://www.airpower.blogspot.com/)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Santa Monica = "Moscow by the Sea"

Just the ones to embrace the exportation of our middle class standard of living.


23 posted on 05/05/2006 2:25:22 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God Bless Our Troops...including U.S. Border Patrol, America's First Line of Defense)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Sounds like a Liberal pushing One World again. I don't want it.


24 posted on 05/05/2006 2:26:21 PM PDT by RoadTest (The wicked love darkness; but God's people love the Light!)
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To: hedgetrimmer

And every day will have blue skies, and children can have ice cream whenever they want. What a vision of sweetness and light.

What he is talking about is the plan already. Up until now, it has been alleged to be the plan by people who have beem dismissed as tin-foil hat wearers. Writing like this seems to be designed to break the news to everybody.

Even though he doesn't exactly say it, I get the feeling that what he means is, it's going to happen whether you like it or not, so you might as well get used to it.

Like the lines from the Monty Python song, "I Like Chinese":

"There's nine hundred million of them in the world today,
You'd better learn to like them, that's what I say."


25 posted on 05/05/2006 2:29:21 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (A twenty -dollar head of bananas.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Socialism alert.


26 posted on 05/05/2006 2:40:05 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Anita Bryant was right!)
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To: 3AngelaD
HA!

This would be like giving the Soprano Family money to improve conditions in New Jersey. Mexico has the dumbest upper class South of Philadelphia.

It is my impression that they do not wish to see the lot of those below them improved. We enable this retrograde view by allowing them to download their poor people and their social problems to us. We are the safety valve.

27 posted on 05/05/2006 2:40:07 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Any legal immigrant who wants to join me as an American, is welcome.)
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To: 3AngelaD
HA!

This would be like giving the Soprano Family money to improve conditions in New Jersey. Mexico has the dumbest upper class South of Savannah.

It is my impression that they do not wish to see the lot of those below them improved. We enable this retrograde view by allowing them to download their poor people and their social problems to us. We are the safety valve.

28 posted on 05/05/2006 2:42:39 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Any legal immigrant who wants to join me as an American, is welcome.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Very informative post. I will investigate myself. Not only is Mr. Hill's article reprehensible, but to find out the USTDA is giving out money to Mexico when we are running a huge deficit, and not properly funding our borders, something needs to be done.


29 posted on 05/05/2006 2:43:58 PM PDT by ritewingwarrior
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To: hedgetrimmer
The Census Bureau predicts that by 2050 the number of Latinos and Asians will triple in the U.S. and whites will make up only 50% of the nation's population.

Latinos are not a race. They are brown, black and white. Asians are not uniformly one race either. They include Indians, Chinese, Korean, and Pacific Islanders.

30 posted on 05/05/2006 2:44:18 PM PDT by kabar
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To: hedgetrimmer

The modes-operandi of the EU invaders is the same as the illegals oozing over our borders. The "newcomers" breed like rabbits, while the "natives" moderate their issue. That way, the patient "newcomers" take over, and the "natives" are eventually put on reservations. History does repeat itself.


31 posted on 05/05/2006 2:46:09 PM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Utahrd


I still wonder why V. Fox is coming to Washinton State to conflab with our illegal governor.


32 posted on 05/05/2006 2:49:00 PM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Utahrd; Rodentking

Doh!


33 posted on 05/05/2006 2:51:25 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Hill can go jump off a cliff.

The Eurabian immigration program, the Euro-Med Dialogue, is a disaster. Their problem is not one that can be fixed. This time we won't be able to save them.

Say, 'hello' Eurabia.


34 posted on 05/05/2006 2:51:35 PM PDT by jankp
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Hill can go jump off a cliff.

Yes but what about his friends in the federal government?
35 posted on 05/05/2006 2:53:14 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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Gee, what a suprise. Someone writing from the People's Republic of Santa Monica advocating world government.

I second the motion for Hill to jump off a cliff.


36 posted on 05/05/2006 2:53:55 PM PDT by lsjogren
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To: hedgetrimmer
So for starters it gave the new states massive subsidies – billions of dollars – to help construct schools, roads, telecommunications and housing, making these nations more attractive for business investment. The idea was to raise up the emerging economies rather than drag down the advanced economies. It is expensive, but the result has turned out to be a larger economic union in which a rising tide floats all boats.

Only one teensy problem. Boats aren't rising in the Europeon Union.

37 posted on 05/05/2006 2:54:20 PM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: Paperdoll

Chente Fax is also coming to Utah.

Supposedly, he's going to meet with our governor.

But he really has to pass out Payroll Checks to Chris Cannon and Orrin Hatch.


38 posted on 05/05/2006 2:55:47 PM PDT by Utahrd
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To: lsjogren

You know what I love about this kind of article:


They always come across as: Gee, all this discussion about illegal immigration and the answer is so simple. How come I'm so smart and everyone else is so dumb.

And then they go on to propose some utter nonsense.


Like we're supposed to respond: Gee, you are so smart, how come we're all so dumb. Of course _________________ is the solution to illegal immigration. Why didn't I think of that.

World government is one. Another is, just let eveyone in but charge them a couple thousand bucks so the coyote fees go to the govt instead of the coyotes. That one's popular with some Libertarians.


39 posted on 05/05/2006 2:56:37 PM PDT by lsjogren
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To: RoadTest

I don't want it either. I don't usually find myself thanking the communists for much, but I can say Thank You to Fidel, Ugo, and that creep in Bolivia for stirring up the campesinos because THEY don't want it either.

After the Mixcan elections in July, Mixco will be part of the rabid, howling, marxist nightmare that wants nothing to do with any free trade agreement as well.


40 posted on 05/05/2006 2:59:35 PM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: lsjogren


And it's always comical when someone cites an absurd example of success.

Citing Europe as an example of economic and social success.


I also get a kick out of when people cite Bush as an example of political success. I believe it was political analyst Allan Hoffenblum that said Arnold Schwarzenegger should emulate George Bush in his outreach to Latinos- that was the way for Schwarzenegger to be politically successful.

Yeah, right, George W. Bush is the great model of how to be a successful politician.


41 posted on 05/05/2006 2:59:47 PM PDT by lsjogren
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To: oblomov

bump for later


42 posted on 05/05/2006 3:04:26 PM PDT by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
"You'd better learn to like them, that's what I say."

I think I prefer Randy Newman.

We give them money, but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful.
They don't respect us, so let's surprise them.
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them.

43 posted on 05/05/2006 3:04:51 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: hedgetrimmer

"They are the G8, the WTO, the World Bank and the IMF. They know exactly what they are doing."

Under the continual guidance of the CFR.


44 posted on 05/05/2006 3:05:18 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: HiJinx

ping


45 posted on 05/05/2006 3:05:33 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: hedgetrimmer

I prefer to simply use the US military, roll over mexico and annex it as the 51st state. If that won't work, mine the border.


46 posted on 05/05/2006 3:05:38 PM PDT by last american
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To: hedgetrimmer

Yeh, worked real well in Denmark, Holland, France, and the UK, huh?


47 posted on 05/05/2006 3:07:29 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: hedgetrimmer

I wonder if the author of this piece realizes that the Germans are going nuts in northern germany because of all the Muslims from Turkey that moved to Berlin and are destroying the city.


48 posted on 05/05/2006 3:08:24 PM PDT by last american
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To: hedgetrimmer

USTDA funding last year was about $44million. Alot of money but not a huge amount considering. There are plenty of agencies in the government getting a couple $100 mil a year that we could do away with but dont make a hill of beans to our deficit.


49 posted on 05/05/2006 3:12:48 PM PDT by ritewingwarrior
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To: ritewingwarrior

The government is not authorized by the constitution to give away our tax money to improve the infrastructure of foreign countries so our businesses can outsource and offshore there. It is not authorized by the constitution to give away our tax money to negotiate FDI by shutting down domestic industry in exchange for businesses to be able to directly invest in foreign countries.

So it really doesn't matter if the money is small in comparison, its just plain WRONG.


50 posted on 05/05/2006 3:33:43 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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