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Republican Right Abandoning Bush
MSNBC ^ | May 5, 2006 | AP

Posted on 05/06/2006 1:34:58 AM PDT by wotan

WASHINGTON - Angry conservatives are driving the approval ratings of President Bush and the GOP-led Congress to dismal new lows, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that underscores why Republicans fear an Election Day massacre.

Six months out, the intensity of opposition to Bush and Congress has risen sharply, along with the percentage of Americans who believe the nation is on the wrong track.

The AP-Ipsos poll also suggests that Democratic voters are far more motivated than Republicans. Elections in the middle of a president’s term traditionally favor the party whose core supporters are the most energized.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ayres; bush; bushbots; bushburnedthebase; bushisfraud; damnstraight; dramaqueens; ipsos; nevervotingrinoagain; poll; takemyballandgohome; term2; thanktherinos
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What a disaster! Crazy Nancy may soon be running the House.
1 posted on 05/06/2006 1:35:04 AM PDT by wotan
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To: wotan

I find it hard to imagine that anyone who describes themselves as conservative would give Bush a positive rating at this point. I'm right there with him on the WOT but he has been a disaster at home.


2 posted on 05/06/2006 1:37:51 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Ditto.


3 posted on 05/06/2006 1:39:22 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: wotan
6 months is an eternity. Take some Bromo-Seltzer.
4 posted on 05/06/2006 1:39:29 AM PDT by zarf (It's time for a college football playoff system.)
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To: wotan

Can anyone say "illegal immigration"? We warned W about this, but he chose not to listen. He'll tar Republican candidates with his amnesty approach and they'll lose in droves.

George is doing a great job with the war on terror, EXCEPT here at home.


5 posted on 05/06/2006 1:40:12 AM PDT by wvobiwan (I lose track, is Russia the enemy again? Plus terrorists, France, and Hollywood of course.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

The way I think is that an elected official has to earn my vote. I refuse to vote for some who is not conservative. Voting for a rino because they are not as liberal as the rats is like thank someone for hitting you with their fist instead of a bat. I will only vote for conservatives.


6 posted on 05/06/2006 1:42:44 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: wotan

It's not like Bush and the Republicans can't make a correction, you know. Just like with Miers, all he has to do seal the borders and all is forgiven.


7 posted on 05/06/2006 1:45:28 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: papertyger

Let's hope so, but if past is prolog I wouldn't count on it.


8 posted on 05/06/2006 1:49:25 AM PDT by wotan
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To: wotan

Well, other polls are showing improvement. I refuse to get all upset till I start to see polls in individual races showing changes. As for Bush. Bush has pretty much lived up to what he campaigned on. His viewpoints on immigration legal or other wise were there for everyone to see. As at home. Well the economy is going gangbusters. He is trying to get spending under control(his threats of a veto) he has been pretty consistent on the Court. ON social issues he has pretty much kept his word and made progress. The electorate might be in a nasty mood at times but that is nothing new. Also, 6 years of Bush and we have held the House and Senate. In fact made gains in the Senate that were pretty conservative under his leadership.


9 posted on 05/06/2006 1:51:37 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: papertyger

Very true, but I have noticed that with the President it takes a lot to get his attention. Unfortunately I think it will be when the house becomes Democratic and then it is too late.

We are asking ourselves if they are going to vote like a democrat and act like a democrat whats the point of going to the polls? I hate to say it but I think the party bosses and the administration want a Democratic Congress. Then they can say when anything happens "Look we wanted to stop it but the Democrats blocked us", "Look what you got by not voting in 2006, you need us". We need to seriously consider forming not a third party but a party to replace the Republicans.


10 posted on 05/06/2006 1:56:58 AM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by there fruity little club.)
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To: catholicfreeper
"He is trying to get spending under control(his threats of a veto)"

Spending is out of control because he has never vetoed a single bill, created a new unfunded entitlement, doubled the budget of the department of education, and basically just been a sleep at the wheel on spending.

"Also, 6 years of Bush and we have held the House and Senate."

House Republicans tend to be more conservative, but there are very few Senate Conservatives.

"Well the economy is going gangbusters."

Because of his Tax Cuts. In which he has not made permanent so we shall see how long the economy can keep going with high oil prices and Tax Increases.
11 posted on 05/06/2006 2:01:43 AM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by there fruity little club.)
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To: wvobiwan
Conservatives aren't real happy about how the war in Iraq is being handled either. Iran is infiltrating Iraq, building up their troops along the border and so is Turkey.
Talk about a border issue. Zarqawi still lives's.
12 posted on 05/06/2006 2:03:42 AM PDT by madconserv (Jesus take the wheel- We Freepers can't do it all on our own.)
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To: wotan

Conservatives didn't abandon Bush, he abandoned us.


13 posted on 05/06/2006 2:04:04 AM PDT by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: wotan

Bush has repeatedly burned the base.

I like Bush. I think he's an honest decent man.

Unfortunately, politically, he's turned out like his dad on issues here at home. "No child left behind", senior drug benefits, farm subsidies, growing government much faster than Clinton and rewarding illegal aliens with citizenship. All of which costs hundreds of billions, if not trillions of taxpayer dollars.


14 posted on 05/06/2006 2:08:49 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: catholicfreeper
His viewpoints on immigration legal or other wise were there for everyone to see

No sir, it is not the responsibility of the electorate to "see" that their chief law enforcement officer will consciously decline to enforece the law after he gets their vote. He ran as a Republican, even a Conservative, and we have a right to expect our men to enforce the law no less than obey it. They are not Democrats, after all.


16 posted on 05/06/2006 2:10:49 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, Attack..... Bull Halsey)
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To: spikeytx86
All the while Iran is a growing threat.

A weak President and an Iran pursuing nuclear weapons unabated is a recipe for disaster.
17 posted on 05/06/2006 2:12:20 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: DB

Bush is a Strong President now? In his first term hell yeah but now even with majorities he is as timid as ever.


18 posted on 05/06/2006 2:15:34 AM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by there fruity little club.)
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To: DB

I hope we go to war with Iran.


19 posted on 05/06/2006 2:16:32 AM PDT by mojojockey
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To: mojojockey

I don't.

But I expect it will come to that.


20 posted on 05/06/2006 2:21:19 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: mojojockey

I don't want to go to war with Iran. I just want to bomb the nuke sites and skedaddle.


21 posted on 05/06/2006 2:22:30 AM PDT by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
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To: Straight Vermonter

Find it a little easier. Though I agree with you that spending is way too high--Bush should be vetoing most or all spending bills these days--he does get a near-perfect 10 in picking judges. People forget that after the 2000 election the media and Democrats (and later Specter) indicated NO WAY would there be a pro-life justice squeaking through. But now you have two who have laid down professional opinions in the past, at least, that Roe has gotta go. And Roberts sleeps with a "Feminist for Life". Could be worse!


22 posted on 05/06/2006 2:23:37 AM PDT by guitarist
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To: wotan
Republican Right Abandoning Bush

It is more like Bush and the GOP have abandoned the Republican right and center to out moonbat the Democratic moonbats.
23 posted on 05/06/2006 2:26:56 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Straight Vermonter
I'm right there with him on the WOT but he has been a disaster at home.

Ditto that.

24 posted on 05/06/2006 2:27:54 AM PDT by Badray
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To: wotan
The AP-Ipsos poll also suggests that Democratic voters are far more motivated than Republicans.

The "squeaky wheel" theory at work.....

They seemed more motivated and enthusiastic than the right in 2004, as well. Republicans never get out and protest to the extent of the left because we have jobs, families, and responsibilities. The more giddy the MSM gets over this, the more likely they are to be stunned (once again) at the results in November.

Disheartening news, for sure....but they're always wrong. Like the commercial says: Steely Dan is not one person and we don't get French benefits.

25 posted on 05/06/2006 2:29:04 AM PDT by edpc
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To: wotan; Straight Vermonter

Yeah, darn him for taking the fight to the enemy, advancing American strategic interests abroad, keeping us out of entangling alliances like Kyoto, the ABM treaty and the ICC, pushing and signing prolife legislation, selecting two seemingly prolife SC justices, and lowering income taxes. He couldn't even fix the decades old train wrecks of illegal immigration, social security, medicare and education so now they're his fault. Shame on him.


26 posted on 05/06/2006 2:31:01 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Liberalism: replacing backbones with wishbones.)
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To: TXBSAFH

The comparison that I use is that the Dems are like pneumonia and the RINOs are like the flu. Both are deadly, but at least most people take pneumonia as a serious threat. They ignore the flu until it kills them.


27 posted on 05/06/2006 2:32:01 AM PDT by Badray
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To: Jack of all Trades

What a bunch of nancy-boys in this thread.

Oh whoa is me....the GOP is going down the tubes...etc etc etc


Look, Bush may have low numbers, but so does EVERYBODY else.


28 posted on 05/06/2006 2:33:18 AM PDT by willgetsome
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To: Straight Vermonter
Well Count me in as one of those conservatives that is still supporting the President and can find many positive issues that he has done a good job on.

I might not give congress a positive vote in a the polls, but I will never vote the Dems in. There is just way too much at stake.
29 posted on 05/06/2006 2:33:54 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: papertyger
"...all he has to do seal the borders and all is forgiven.

Ahem. If he seals the borders, we'll thank him but keep on watching.

30 posted on 05/06/2006 2:34:48 AM PDT by Badray
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To: TXBSAFH
You had better get your head out of the sand and realize what the alternative would be if the Dems are in charge, and don't give me that old mess about teaching the Republicans a lesson.

I am not happy with all that is going on, but I am not stupid either.
31 posted on 05/06/2006 2:36:47 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: spikeytx86
Face reality! Third parties only make a statement and do not win anything. Quitters never win.
32 posted on 05/06/2006 2:39:20 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: catholicfreeper

Yes, his positions were there for us to see, but many of us voted for him anyway because the alternative was so much worse.

We voted for him with the hope that he was just pandering for votes and really wouldn't allow an invasion and really would actually use his veto pen.


33 posted on 05/06/2006 2:39:28 AM PDT by Badray
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To: Straight Vermonter

"I'm right there with him on the WOT but he has been a disaster at home"

And of course the WOT is just a minor issue right? I mean it's not like the struggle to defend western civilization can be expected carry weight in deciding the votes of conservatives.

These "conservatives abandoning Bush" amaze me. Presumably, many of them are among those who ridiculed us Forbes supporters in the 2000 primary season. Would they now have us believe they were too dumb to know what "compassionate conservative" meant? And of course, the Democrats will fight the WOT much more effectively when they get power, right?

Increasingly I'm thinking the West is doomed to be under Sharia law within the next generation. And these "conservatives abandoning Bush" will be just as responsible for that as the most lunatic denizen of the fever swamp left. But that's okay, as long as Bush is punished for the "No Child Left Behind Act."


34 posted on 05/06/2006 2:42:00 AM PDT by WarrenC
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To: mariabush
Well said. Your best bet is to support individual conservative Republicans, and there are a lot of them whose willing to go to the mat for conservatives, such as Tancredo and Mike Pence.

Don't support the RNC or its national affiliates.

35 posted on 05/06/2006 2:42:52 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (FR's most controversial FReeper)
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To: guitarist
22 post before there is one positive word. The economy is at an all time high. Not one attack on the US or its properties. 2 conservative judges, etc. And all you people want to do is focus on the negatives. Well not me!!!!!!

Things could be a lot worse.
36 posted on 05/06/2006 2:43:36 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: Jack of all Trades
I wish that I could have said it as well as you did!!!!!!!!!
37 posted on 05/06/2006 2:45:13 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: willgetsome

Too much time in an echo chamber will drive anybody batty.

To anyone who wants someone to blame for the low poll numbers, they're my fault. I don't have time to answer dumb a$$. loaded questions like " Is the country headed in the right direction?".


38 posted on 05/06/2006 2:45:57 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Liberalism: replacing backbones with wishbones.)
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To: willgetsome
Oh whoa is me.....

Homophones are these: Words that are pronounced the same (and may or may not be spelled the same), but differ in meaning, such as waste and waist.

Homophones are not these:

Whoa is me.....

Woe is me

39 posted on 05/06/2006 2:48:48 AM PDT by edpc
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To: mariabush

Thank you. Bat, ball - outta the park. Sometimes it happens.

IMHO, the pilers on are either Democrat shills, or spend way too much time following breaking news feeds.


40 posted on 05/06/2006 2:50:02 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Liberalism: replacing backbones with wishbones.)
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To: Badray

Agreed.


41 posted on 05/06/2006 2:51:18 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: wotan
Wow! This is news?

I think that the percentage of FReepers who are standing behind him because he is a Republican and thus "by definition" better than a Democrat is about 50%. The other 50% percent see what we that was the greatest and best opportunity of the last hundred years wasted.

Clinton, as much as I hate the man, was never afraid to use the veto pen. His point was simple "those who love me will love me, those who don't won't be anymore pissed off at me with this veto because they already hate me to the max."

It may be a good thing in GWB's favor that he wants to have all Americans like him. And he has always tried hard to do it that way. But there is no gentle way to conduct radical surgery.

And, God help me, that is what this country needs if we are going to continue as a country.
42 posted on 05/06/2006 2:51:28 AM PDT by Ronin (Ut iusta esse, lex noblis severus necesse est.)
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To: mariabush

Iam not trying to teach a lesson. But I am done supporting any rino. When you vote for the lessor of twoevils you still get evil. I willvote for conservatives who run, regardless of party,but for open border socialist rinos nothing.


43 posted on 05/06/2006 2:53:23 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: mariabush
You had better get your head out of the sand and realize what the alternative would be if the Dems are in charge, and don't give me that old mess about teaching the Republicans a lesson.

You're right.

Let's reward the RINOs for letting them let the Democrats continue to control the agenda even though we voted the Democrats out of control.

Let's put them back into the jobs that they cherish more than anything else so they can continue to spend us into oblivion and vote to restrict our liberty some more.

Yeah, great idea.

44 posted on 05/06/2006 2:53:57 AM PDT by Badray
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To: TSchmereL

well, you got the right idea.


45 posted on 05/06/2006 2:54:42 AM PDT by mojojockey
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To: wotan
These MSM polls are about the dumbest crap I've ever seen. First, a Republican just barely right of center (not conservative) is far better than the Democrat libs being touted as the hero of the day and when all tears are dry even the conservatives will go out and vote for the Republican just to keep the lib out if needed.
Second, even the most middle of the road voter will always lean slightly right instead of a cop slugging, dope smoking, cocaine snorting, exhibitionist, child rape protectionist lib.
Third, congressional races are by districts and states, not by a national referendum, and the poll I just recently saw was that 60% of district voters approve of their own representative meaning they just hate the other guy which they couldn't vote against anyway.
Forth, who gives a sh*t about Bush's poll numbers because no one will ever vote for him again.

If anyone wants to make a difference then vote the RINOs out and put a conservative in but in the end if it's between a Rino and Lib I have to go for the Rino. At least with a Rino, Chaffee excluded, you get 30% of what you want but with a Lib you get 3%.
46 posted on 05/06/2006 2:59:58 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Badray
..and really wouldn't allow an invasion..

Do you really think that without the Soviet Union, the U.S. would not have moved into the Middle East long ago? IMHO the invasions were put on the "to do" list upon the fall on the Berlin Wall.

47 posted on 05/06/2006 3:00:38 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Liberalism: replacing backbones with wishbones.)
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To: catholicfreeper
"His viewpoints on immigration legal or other wise were there for everyone to see."

When W accepted the charge of President, his "personal" support of illegal aliens and their disregard for the law became a moot point; upholding the rule of law is his sworn duty and he best perform that oath to the best of his ability until the laws he doesn't like are amended or repealed.

Otherwise, his calculating the American public is too slack to see what's happening will bite the Republican arse hard, with President Bush providing the teeth.

48 posted on 05/06/2006 3:06:57 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Jack of all Trades

What are you talking about?

I'm referring to the invasion on our South West border that Jorge Arbusto has not seen fit to stop.


49 posted on 05/06/2006 3:08:39 AM PDT by Badray
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To: willgetsome

You ar correct. I may not like waht is going on, but i am not ready to see a democrat takeover. Most republicans will show up at the polls because even though we havnt got much its better than the opposition.


50 posted on 05/06/2006 3:09:19 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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