Posted on 05/06/2006 9:51:50 AM PDT by Sonora
Current poll:
"A time for choosing: It appears that a significant number of our members are so disgusted with the GOP's failure to secure our borders against illegal aliens that they are willing to risk all by voting them out of office, even if it means Pelosi, Reid, Hillary, et al, are allowed to take charge. Is this the best course of action or should we be working harder than ever to hold the line and actually try to make a difference by getting more constitutionally-minded conservatives elected? Are you willing to give it all up or are you more determined than ever to keep the Marxists out of power?" _____
So far, 13% of members and 18%+ of participants in this poll say - turn it over to the rats. What's with that? I cannot believe that 13% of those posting here are so stupid or angry with what is happening that they would turn to the rats for the way back to perfect. Now, 13% will result in a winning vote, in a lot of cases.
Anyway, I guess that there is no compromising for some people - just dig a hole and live there while the rats are in charge. I'm so disappointed.
A world where Pelosi is majority leader, shudder, shudder. And I don't even want to think of hillary clinton in the white house, spare the thought.
Just so you know, you're not alone.
Yes. Let's allow the Dems run it into the ground for two or four years and the Republicans can begin to understand what it feels like to be out of power again.
In 1994 the GOP promised us specific changes. They have not kept their promises and will not defend our borders. I am going to vote for the Constitutional Party in November.
And what the hell will this accomplish?
Some conservatives are illogical idealists who would harm themselves to make a point. The best you can hope for is that they are posturing to make their voices heard.
After all their sacrifice and with victory ahead, sitting home or (shudder) voting rat amounts to spitting in the eye of our hero's. IMHO
Pelosi as leader isn't nearly so frightening as Henry Waxman with supoena power, becoming chairman of the committee that will most assuredly impeach President Bush.
But only cowards give power back to the weasels on the Left.
Watching today Republicans cave in, whine and totally ignore the conservatives leads me to agree with you. If we don't get new blood in there the Rs will continue to seel us out!
Turning it over to the 'rats is just only going to allow in MORE illegals, and the Rats will give the illegals citizenship and welfare, as well as affirmative action and preferential treatment, not to mention everything else the Rats will do to us. Is that what the Republicans want???
One is the DU trolls.
The other are the self proclaimed "true conservatives" who want to see the Democrats in power in order to "show" the GOP and to impeach "BuSHIT".
The Democrat party will never support the conservative cause. The current Republican congress will never support the conservative cause; to re-elect them would only reward them and validate their strategy. To think they will return to conservative government is fallacy. The only way to accomplish change is to fire the current inept lot and try for real conservatives in the next election.
Before you start posting BS about how we need to promote change through the primaries take a look at the statistics of # of incumbents who have lost their primary elections. It is complete foolishness to think that primaries can remove incumbents. There is only one way to get conservatives back in charge - and that is to fire Republicans!
In the long run (decades)
Are we better with a Congress that believes they need to earn our vote?
or one that will take it for granted?
With all due respect to FreeRepublic, that is a push poll. I voted with the 13% party in protest because it was worded in such a way as to not be an objective poll.
I will never vote Democratic. But at the same time, I have one absolute, minimal requirement before I go to the poll and pull the lever for a particular candidate. And that is that the candidate must not have voted to promote this ongoing invasion of the US by third world nations.
That means I simply won't vote at all if my Congressional candidates vote for amnesty. Sorry if that offends anyone but that's the way it's going to be.
The reality is these people who seem unwilling to give an inch on the notion that good people cannot come to differing conclusions on how best to handle this 40 year in the making immigration problem is beyond me.
They are acting like spoiled brats and are being used like puppets by the MSM - They have become so blinded by self-absorbtion of their personal politics - At the risk to this nation -
These are the same people that ask our soldiers to go off and fight (and give their lives in necessary) yet back here on the home front they will sell them down the river and put in power the ilk of the anti-American, anti-military, anti-success on the WOT Democrat party - Just because they do not agree with this POTUS on a few issues (mostly just one).
There are times where it is completely fine to be self-absored in one's own narrow political views and from there step away from one's party. But this is clearly not one of those times in our nation's history. We are at war.
The ilk of the Democrat party cannot be allowed to hold a majority in any branch of Gov't during this War -
Our soldiers alone deserve better.
Trolls or fanatical purists willing to give up the Republic over a single issue.
I see it simple: the choice is between the 'rats or the Republicans. Having been a 'rat, I can speak from experience: they're pathetic, never satisfied with socialism--they always want MORE, and despise freedom.
Now that I'm a Republican, I can see flaws in the party, but generally that is in the leadership--not the rank and file. The rank and file can change the leadership. Compare that to the Democrats: the rank and file and their leadership might as well be openly Marxist.
We cannot let them take over, we MUST defeat them in every election. With all its warts, the Republican party is by far a better choice than the Democrats.
When the Republicans lose their majority because of their treason with our borders, and then the Democrats do the same, we might actually have our borders secure in 5 years.
I don't vote party, and never will. Republicans, in particular George W. Bush, don't get away with lying to me about our borders. And what about Welfare Reform, Tax Reform, and all the other promises made?
I WILL vote for candidates that promise secure borders, even they are Pelosi, and the rest of the socialists.
Al who?
The Dems would work to ensure that we would NEVER win another election.
Think Justice Dept, CIA, court appointees, etc.
They don't really like dissent, and they have ways of going after it. (Imagine no F.R!)
As a practical matter in politics, you can expect only a fraction of what you really want. If you get too insistent on getting 100%, you get nothing.
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Tag Line Alpha
Democrats - - the party of blames, lies, accusations, and subversion. The once great party of Roosevelt now chooses Stalin.
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The other are the self proclaimed "true conservatives" who want to see the Democrats in power in order to "show" the GOP and to impeach "BuSHIT". = morons who will hurt the country just for spite.
My suggestion to them is to take hemlock.
It seems the majority of that 13% are so upset over the illegal alien thing they are willing to overlook the gains made by the Repubs. It's a real shame.
I won't vote for a Dem but I sure as heck won't vote for Rebub either. If either of them wanted my vote then they would do what we ask of them. Since they do as they damn well please I won't waste my gas getting to the polls.
To make an omelet, first eggs must be broken, or something like that, nez pas?
Their " Shame " is MY Shame.
Sad but true.
" It isn't the things that you DO...but rather the Things that you leave UN-DONE...that give you a bit of heart ache..at the setting of the sun."--Famous Poet--but I don't do autographs.
"WE" are the ones to Blame--if anyone. Right?
( No!..No..No! this is NOT like a Clavin & Hobbs Cop-out one liner!! " MOM! you should have KNOWN not to let me alone for even a minute!!"..)
But "WE" should have know to keep TRACK of not just WHO we have " Batter' UP!!" but WHO is NEXT ON DECK!!
"WE" do NOT HAVE a " Next on Deck " to use as leverage AND a Threatening Push to keep Those Conservatives who do go off the path in line!!!
And then again--maybe--just like the Romans--"WE" held our " REPRESENTATIVES " too Highly and left By Themsleves!---Because we alos Held our Own Ideals TOO HIGHLY !!
Thinking that the High IDEALS of :
--Protecting our SECURITY : ei.- Boarders, Illegal imm.
--STICKING UP for Our President during attacks!!-not
ever thinking Rep. Senators & House would care about
themsleves FIRST!!
---SAYING WHAT YOU MEAN!!--even IF it could mean being
Voted DOWN! Translated: Losing YOUR own Power & Prestige.
No--"WE" are to blame really--WE expected Too MUCH from them--and did not re-inforce in THEM the point that IF YOU STAND STRONG!! We WILL stand with you!!
MAYBE they "thought" too--like Elitist democrats--that they were AUTOMATICALLY going to get Voted in by proxy of no-one ELSE is running to challenge them!
But "WE" also never told them too--you CAN be FIRED!!--BUT--We WILL stand with YOU--IF you stand with the WHYS we voted you all in inthe first place.
( Except for those who " Changed Color " AFTER being voted in!! can YOU say, " TRAITOR!!" boys and girls!!)
DAB
p.s.--when was the last time I saw any of YOU at a PW rally in NYC? SAN DIEGO?? D.C.??
Quit your whining. W and the Republicans have BECOME the Rats, they need to be voted out. How supportive of the military is it to let enemies into the very houses of their families due to NO ACTION on our border security?
You can call us spoiled brats, be we call you good little cattle.
You are kidding yourself if you think this is over a single issue. This over McCain/Feingold, Prescription Drug Benefit, Corruption, Exploding Growth of Federal Government, failure to enact Social Security reform, failure to enact tax-reform - in other words - complete abandonment of conservative principles.
Keep kidding yourself and thinking that the Republican party will start behaving responsibly - it's not going to happen unless they pay a severe price for their incompetence.
The less often this is spelled out, the better.
However, the great majority of voters will vote Republican or Democrat out of force of habit so voting for a third Party merely puts the unsplit party in the White House. That is how we ended up with Bill and Hillary Clinton in the White House.
It is foolish to throw out the Party "brand loyalty" that will automatically get you 70% of your voters on Election Day. If you do that, the Democrats will be handing out U.S. citizenship papers and Democrat Voter Registration Cards at the Rio Grande.
If the current crop of incumbents is failing miserably, the solution is not to leave the Republican Party but to thrown them out of Republican Party office.
Any Republican primary candidate that makes stopping illegal immigration a priority will do very well on Election Day and has an excellent chance of unseating the current Republican Congresscritter who is soft on the issue.
Don't leave the Republican Party.
CHANGE IT!
I agree. I usually like these FR polls but this one had only 2 choices. I'm not much into either/ors or shame polls. I passed on it.
Agreed. If RINOs are not aborted, the GOP will continue to reproduce them. [I'm sure as RINOs they appreciate choice.]
Republicans are NOT a FAR better choice than the Democrats, only slightly better these days.
Not enough for me to excuse leaving our borders wide open.
Agree with you. The left will only be worse. We have to stand up WHILE the R's are in office, not throw tantrums at the end of their terms.
If you want to see a change, vote a third party. There is not a dime's worth of difference between the Republicans and Democrats.
I believe it will be more like 20 percent on this board who are Libs at heart. One issue Republicans are well represented here!
I mean this in the nicest possible way - but you are a fool to believe any change can be accomplished through the primaries. Check the statistics - primaries are only meaningful for selecting a challenger or an open-seat. They are completely ineffective for removing an incumbent.
The current crop of Republicans is waaaay out of touch with the base.
Place the blame where it belongs! Squarely on a bunch of Republicans who have lost their way and are now giving in to democrats. IF they lose the majority it won't be the fault of the voter taxpayers it will be their own fault!
They are falling into a trap set by the socialists and they are running scared like wimps and giving in to pass the McCain/Kennedy amnesty bill. That will be their downfall not voters.
That's BS
I'll add that there are certain Republican incumbants that I am actively trying to help defeat in the primaries. Chris Cannon of Utah is at the top of my list. If that gives the Democrats a better chance in the general election, too bad.
It would be a good idea to provide some supporting arguments - maybe then we could have a reasonable discussion.
There ARE Conservatives members we could rally around, like Tancredo.
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