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Cardinal urges [hypocritical] legal action against Da Vinci Code
Rooters.com ^ | Sun May 7, 2006 10:13am ET | Philip Pullella

Posted on 05/07/2006 8:05:47 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - In the latest Vatican broadside against "The Da Vinci Code", a leading cardinal says Christians should respond to the book and film with legal action because both offend Christ and the Church he founded.

Cardinal Francis Arinze, a Nigerian who was considered a candidate for pope last year, made his strong comments in a documentary called "The Da Vinci Code-A Masterful Deception."

Arinze's appeal came some 10 days after another Vatican cardinal called for a boycott of the film. Both cardinals asserted that other religions would never stand for offences against their beliefs and that Christians should get tough.

"Christians must not just sit back and say it is enough for us to forgive and to forget," Arinze said in the documentary made by Rome film maker Mario Biasetti for Rome Reports, a Catholic film agency specializing in religious affairs.

"Sometimes it is our duty to do something practical. So it is not I who will tell all Christians what to do but some know legal means which can be taken in order to get the other person to respect the rights of others," Arinze said.

"This is one of the fundamental human rights: that we should be respected, our religious beliefs respected, and our founder Jesus Christ respected," he said, without elaborating on what legal means he had in mind.

A transcript of the documentary, due to be screened in Rome later this month just before the release of the film version of the best-selling book at the Cannes Film Festival, was made available to Reuters.

The book, written by Dan Brown, has sold more than 40 million copies.


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Spectacular hyposcrisy on many levels.
1 posted on 05/07/2006 8:05:50 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

Why doesn't he just take out a fatwa on them for insulting Christendom?


2 posted on 05/07/2006 8:06:57 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: little jeremiah; Coleus

bump


3 posted on 05/07/2006 8:07:22 AM PDT by John Geyer
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

Well, in the USA, being offended by a movie that doesn't agree with your religious beliefs is not actionable. I don't know about Italy.

In my opinion, the answer to such movies is different:

If the film offends.
Please don't attend.


4 posted on 05/07/2006 8:08:00 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

Well, don't leave us in suspense. What are the many levels of hypocrisy?


5 posted on 05/07/2006 8:08:36 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper (..it takes some pretty serious yodeling to..filibuster from a five star ski resort in the Swiss Alps)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

Free PR for a fictional book.

Does everyone remember the fictional "national treasure" movie?

The best thing that couldhave been done is to ignore the movie.


6 posted on 05/07/2006 8:09:35 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

I don't see how it's hypocritical. Europe has all sorts of restrictions on free speech - think "hate speech" laws carried to an extreme - and, while I don't agree with the principle of that kind of law, everybody certainly has a right to use them.

Furthermore, "silence gives consent," that is, if Christians say nothing, this is taken as assent and an admission of the truth of the Da Vinci Code (which is actually a set of crazy old-style anti-Catholicism and New Age gnosticism).


7 posted on 05/07/2006 8:13:45 AM PDT by livius
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To: sinanju

Worked great for the Muslims.


8 posted on 05/07/2006 8:15:33 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: sinanju

I was wondering the same thing. Imagine, of all the things to get upset about, the Da Vinci Code is leading the way at the Vatican.


9 posted on 05/07/2006 8:15:57 AM PDT by jess35
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To: bnelson44

Well, it's not quite the same - I don't think Arinze was calling for anybody's beheading. As I say, I don't agree with European "hate speech" laws (which were actually set up to "protect" Muslims and gays), but if the Europeans are going to use them, you can't complain if everybody uses them. I'm sure Catholics would not win the suit, of course, but it might give an opportunity for some public, orthodox correction of this nutty story.


10 posted on 05/07/2006 8:18:34 AM PDT by livius
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
The Da Vinci Code, book and movie, is an outrageous blasphemy of Jesus Christ. The fictional story charges Jesus was secretly married and fathered a child for which there has never been any historical proof. It makes charges of a big Catholic Church "cover-up" of these alleged "facts."

The Catholic Church and its officials have a right to publicly denounce the book and movie as patently offensive to Christians.

In contrast to raging Muslims, offended by newspaper cartoons drawn of their prophet, I haven't heard of any Christians burning and looting in the streets over this blasphemy of our deeply held faith.

Christians throughout the world can, and should, avoid watching this offensive trash posing as entertainment.

11 posted on 05/07/2006 8:20:57 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: longtermmemmory

Agreed.

He has my sympathies but bringing a lawsuit is only asking for the wrong kind of publicity.

better to let the buzz die. Only the most gullible will remember or even care about this book.

The same people who buy into the Da Vinci code are the same ones who believe in UFOs and the Illuminati.


12 posted on 05/07/2006 8:22:27 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: livius
Furthermore, "silence gives consent,".

I agree with that... but the Church's anger about this book and movie is way out of proportion to what the book really claims. There must be a million books published a year that makes claims about Jesus and the Roman Cathlic Church and its teachings. The Da Vinci code in comparison is very mild and very tame. I think the Church is in an uproar because the book makes a "somewhat credible" story and so many Catholics started to have doubts as to what the truth is.

The Church is the only institute in the world that could put this issue to bed. It has at its disposal the Vatican Archives that is filled with documentation and proof about the early beginnings of the Church. That is what the story line contends, that the early Church hid the truth about Mary and Jesus, right?

The Church has done this to "some" degree but the only thing most people read are stories like this. I would be interested in the Church producing some more interesting documentaries that show that Dan Brown's claims are wrong, instead of asking its followers to SUE. To me, that is just whitewashing the issue and well... that makes people just a tad more suspicious.

13 posted on 05/07/2006 8:28:00 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: BenLurkin
The same people who buy into the Da Vinci code are the same ones who believe in UFOs and the Illuminati.

Dan Brown's book prior to the Da Vinci Code was about the existence of the Illuminati...(at the end of the book he shows it was a hoax).

14 posted on 05/07/2006 8:29:40 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
>>It makes charges of a big Catholic Church "cover-up" of these alleged "facts."<<

Whether its big government hiding UFOs, big oil hiding price gouging, or big churches hiding the truth, we are awash in schizophrenia and paranoia disguising itself as new knowledge. The more attention that is paid to this animal-shapes-in-the clouds malarkey the more tickets the movie and books will sell.

Muleteam1

15 posted on 05/07/2006 8:32:52 AM PDT by Muleteam1
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To: trashcanbred
That must have been a disappointment to his readers.
16 posted on 05/07/2006 8:32:59 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

LOL! Boy, those church leaders NEVER learn do they???

The more you cry and scream about being "offended" by something, the more curious people become and want to see it. "The Last Temptation of Christ" was a perfect example. The movie sucked and lasted TWICE as long at the box office than it would had the Church kept its mouth shut.

The Da Vinci Code is a wonderful and entertaining book... of FICTION!


17 posted on 05/07/2006 8:33:10 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: livius
Furthermore, "silence gives consent," that is, if Christians say nothing, this is taken as assent and an admission of the truth of the Da Vinci Code

Only for simple-minded people... but then again you know those church people, they'll believe anything.

18 posted on 05/07/2006 8:34:52 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: livius
"...it might give an opportunity for some public, orthodox correction of this nutty story."

You have the absolute right not to read any 'nutty story' you chose not to read, or to read it with knowledge that it is just a story and/or even to exercise your already wound up hostility.

Just as I read Mash, Gingrich's alternate War of Secession, Mao and Hitler's fulmiations.

But calling for legal action because your beliefs may not be shared by another, calling for scientific or even philosophical dissent to be silenced (ID, kennewick man) puts one in league with the jihadists and other fascists whether you are ready for beheading yet or withhold it for some more irksome insult.

I almost wish I were a cartoonist - this would be a great opportunity.

PS: The earth is NOT the center of the universe,
deal with it.

19 posted on 05/07/2006 8:37:57 AM PDT by norton
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To: trashcanbred

Did you see last night's SNL with Tom Hanks?

In the opening skit, Hanks is being asked questions about the movie from "the audience". One of them is a guy dressed as Jesus.

Hanks: Yes, another question- Oh, dear Lord...
Jesus (stands): I forgive you.
Hanks: Thank you, have you seen the movie?
Jesus: No, I was forgiving you for 'The Terminal.'
Hanks: WHAT?! That was a charming movie!
Jesus: Yeah, right (rolling eyes). It should have been called 'The In-Terminal'. I saw it on an airplane and people were still walking out!


20 posted on 05/07/2006 8:41:35 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: longtermmemmory

Well, I for one enjoyed National Treasure. Not a great movie by any means, but certainly an entertaining one. I'll probably enjoy the Da Vinci Code as well, given I thought the book was fun (albeit a little annoyign at times).


21 posted on 05/07/2006 8:46:13 AM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (History is a work in progress)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

if anything is going to be the death of catholicism, it won't be atheists or science. instead, it will be fellow catholics.


22 posted on 05/07/2006 8:47:45 AM PDT by mrhansen
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

"The fictional story charges Jesus was secretly married and fathered a child for which there has never been any historical proof."

It's FICTION. As you said.

"The Catholic Church and its officials have a right to publicly denounce the book and movie as patently offensive to Christians."

They do have a right to condemn. The funny thing is the Catholic Church was quick to condemn this movie, quicker than they were to condemn the other scandals within the church. The other scandals were far more damaging to the Church than this little movie.

I will go see this movie. I know it is fiction. My faith is stronger than the script.


23 posted on 05/07/2006 8:50:32 AM PDT by jbstrick ( I've never been to heaven, but I've been to Oklahoma)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
It should have been called 'The In-Terminal'. I saw it on an airplane and people were still walking out!

Har! I missed the opening and saw a part where Hanks was playing Senator Frist talking about the gas crisis. It was mildly amusing but decided sleep was a better alternative.

24 posted on 05/07/2006 8:52:03 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

"hyposcrisy on many levels"

Oh, really?
For instance?


25 posted on 05/07/2006 8:54:53 AM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

Hypocrisy or not, after Piss Christ and Mary in Elephant Dung, I am actually happy that the Church is responding to "art" that does not please the Church. The DC is nice fiction, but I don't see much evidence of truth.


26 posted on 05/07/2006 8:56:11 AM PDT by irish guard
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To: MineralMan

If the facts don't fit
You must quit (the theatre).


27 posted on 05/07/2006 8:56:31 AM PDT by sine_nomine (No more RINO presidents. We need another Reagan.)
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To: trashcanbred

I think, beyond the whole married with children thing, the theme in the book most offensive to devout Christians would have to be the notion that Christ was a mortal man, a mere prophet and not the Messiah. It then goes on to say, in a faux factual manner, that the Church decided to cover it all up (the humanity and family life of Jesus) in a meeting.

The impression I got from the book is that Dan Brown tried writing an essay first, then went back in and added dialogue and a plot as a means of disseminating his message. Sort of like the proto-Marxism that Tolstoy included in War and Peace. But beyond all that, I still enjoyed the read, even if Brown did use the term "sacred feminine" WAY too much.

For the record, I was raised Catholic. I'm not especially religious any more (and no, it wasn't the Da Vinci Code that sowed the seeds).


28 posted on 05/07/2006 8:56:34 AM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (History is a work in progress)
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To: irish guard

hence it is fiction


29 posted on 05/07/2006 8:58:17 AM PDT by mrhansen
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To: Lunatic Fringe
The Da Vinci Code is a wonderful and entertaining book... of FICTION! Harry Potter is fantastical fiction, and its author has never pretended otherwise. Brown claims that it is "Historical fiction." i,e, Based on fact.
30 posted on 05/07/2006 8:58:30 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

That's funny. Haven't watched the SNL in some time but occassionally I catch word of an amusing skit.


31 posted on 05/07/2006 8:59:02 AM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (History is a work in progress)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
...a leading cardinal says Christians should respond to the book and film with legal action because both offend Christ and the Church he founded.

Much ado about nothing.

The book, written by Dan Brown, has sold more than 40 million copies.

Could that be the real irritant for the Church?

Perhaps they're not getting their "tithe" of the profits.

32 posted on 05/07/2006 9:03:53 AM PDT by OldSmaj (I received my koran from CAIR. I desecrate it daily, in the privacy and comfort of my own toilet.)
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To: BenLurkin
That must have been a disappointment to his readers.

I doubt it. I wasn't disappointed because I was looking for a good mystery story and I got it in both of Brown's books. They were fun reads. If I am looking for anti-Catholic history, there's plenty out there in the non-fiction section.

BTW, I don't see the Catholic cardinals complaining about "State of Fear", which is exactly the same recipe: Take some facts, add some conspiracy theory and mix well with a fictional plot. Get real and quit looking for enemies in every work of fiction, or people may begin to wonder if there really is something to hide...

33 posted on 05/07/2006 9:04:53 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

> The Da Vinci Code, book and movie, is an outrageous blasphemy of Jesus Christ.

Have you read it? How can you denounce a movie as offensive if it hasn't been released yet?

Your faith isn't worth beans if you feel threatened by a work of fiction.

Maybe you should join the cardinal, and sue the 7.5 million people who have bought The Da Vinci Code (times readers per copy...I was no. 4).


34 posted on 05/07/2006 9:16:46 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
"The Da Vinci Code Nicene Council-A Masterful Deception."
35 posted on 05/07/2006 9:22:53 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." LINCOLN)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

I am embarassed at this Cardinal's suggestion. This book is sheer fiction. The best thing the Vatican could do would be to ignore it. What is wrong with that bunch? They should have been at least this proactive in regard to their own pedophiles. We heard not a peep from them.


36 posted on 05/07/2006 9:27:45 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: trashcanbred

National Geographic/Time produced an excellent 2 hour documentary refuting every piece of alleged historical truth in the Da Vinci code. The book, as fact, is already blown out of the water. For those who WANT the truth.


37 posted on 05/07/2006 9:30:07 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Dudoight
Someone is certainly spending a lot of time and money refuting a work of fiction, There seems to be an inordinate amount of fear of this book in some circles.
38 posted on 05/07/2006 9:32:19 AM PDT by jess35
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To: jess35

It is a sorry shame...the silliness of people!


39 posted on 05/07/2006 9:34:58 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

"All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents and secret rituals in this novel are accurate."

That is how Dan Brown starts his fiction..and that has led to the main problem...it is a lie!


As for hypocrisy - the hypocrisy stands with the Hollywood anti Christian establishment that seeks to offend every Christian...any time the opportunity presents itself...even in the form of the charlatan Brown.

The Roman Church has every right and indeed a responsiblity to defend the Lord and his flock and attack this worthless lying garbage. People can make up their own minds (they usually do) but the Pope can as well...and publicize it.

The Greek Orthoox Church has also debunked this trash.


http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article9540.asp


40 posted on 05/07/2006 9:43:11 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

How hypocritical exactly?


41 posted on 05/07/2006 9:58:24 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
Ambiguous Reuters headline? Here's what the Cardinal said:

"Sometimes it is our duty to do something practical. So it is not I who will tell all Christians what to do but some know legal means which can be taken in order to get the other person to respect the rights of others," Arinze said.

Does he mean, "Take 'em to court," or does he mean "legal as opposed to illegal"?

At any rate, I think the Cardinal is spot on. As for hypocrisy, I'd check the mirror before attacking the Catholic Church, brother.
42 posted on 05/07/2006 10:04:12 AM PDT by Antoninus (I will not vote for a liberal, regardless of party.)
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To: livius
Furthermore, "silence gives consent," that is, if Christians say nothing, this is taken as assent and an admission of the truth of the Da Vinci Code (which is actually a set of crazy old-style anti-Catholicism and New Age gnosticism).

Sort of like the silence heard in response to Cardinal Mahoney's call to disobey federal law regarding illegals.
43 posted on 05/07/2006 10:06:42 AM PDT by last american
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

This is amazing that a work of fiction has the Vatican's panties in a wad. Dan Brown doesn't claim that the Da Vinci Code is anything but a work of fiction - it is the Vatican and the Catholic Church that gives credibility to the plot by arguing that it never happened. Brown doesn't claim otherwise.

The publicity he has gotten courtesy of the Catholic Church has caused this book's sales to go through the roof.


44 posted on 05/07/2006 10:06:43 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
The Da Vinci Code is a wonderful and entertaining book... of FICTION!

Yes and as all us truly intelligent people know, fiction (cough, Uncle Tom's Cabin) has never (cough, Atlas Shrugged) had a profound effect (cough, The Jungle) on society.

The "it's just fiction crowd" are the same morons who don't understand why businesses large and small, governments, politicians, and special interest groups spend billions upon billions of dollars on advertising each year. It's all about getting your message out and influencing what people think. The Duh Vinci Code is no different in that respect--except that it's proven to be a spectacularly effective piece of propaganda for Christian-haters.
45 posted on 05/07/2006 10:09:29 AM PDT by Antoninus (I will not vote for a liberal, regardless of party.)
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To: trashcanbred
The Church is the only institute in the world that could put this issue to bed. It has at its disposal the Vatican Archives that is filled with documentation and proof about the early beginnings of the Church. That is what the story line contends, that the early Church hid the truth about Mary and Jesus, right?

How so? Whatever documents they produce won't be believed by those who need conspiracy theories. It will always be argued that they're holding back the "real" documents.

At this point, I don't fault people for suing to defend their reputation. It may be an unwise move. In this case it's probably pointless. But if it's in their legal right, it's an avenue they're entitled to consider.

46 posted on 05/07/2006 10:09:56 AM PDT by x
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To: last american
Sort of like the silence heard in response to Cardinal Mahoney's call to disobey federal law regarding illegals.

Who was silent? Catholics certainly weren't. If you spent any time on FR, you'd know that. Furthermore, there was a feature on EWTN that basically blew the Cardinal's position out of the water without mentioning him directly by name. Of course, you wouldn't know about that.

Just because you don't hear the complaints, doesn't mean there's silence.
47 posted on 05/07/2006 10:12:21 AM PDT by Antoninus (I will not vote for a liberal, regardless of party.)
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To: longtermmemmory
The best thing that could have been done is to ignore the movie.

I disagree. It was a good story - and that's all it was. Just like the Da Vinci Code is a good story.

Good stories arouse interest and make us think. Hollyweird and show business, in general, were predicated on the ability to tell a good story. If one disagrees with the ideas contained within a story, if those ideas offend, religious, ethical or moral precepts, by all means, ignore the movie. But not because the author (or the actors) told a good story. This is too reminiscent of the book burnings in Nazi Germany.
48 posted on 05/07/2006 10:13:54 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Antoninus
Who was silent? Catholics certainly weren't.

I did not hear ONE peep out of any catholic regarding that. As a matter of fact, last sunday on cable I watched an hour long show where different denomination's clerics were interviewed (most were ca$holic) and they were proudly stating how the various archbishops have given their minions the OK to get arrested over aiding and abetting illegals.
49 posted on 05/07/2006 10:16:37 AM PDT by last american
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To: mrhansen
if anything is going to be the death of catholicism, it won't be atheists or science. instead, it will be fellow catholics.


BINGO!
50 posted on 05/07/2006 10:17:53 AM PDT by last american
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