Been nice knowin' ya, America

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | May 7,2006 | Dimitri Vassilaros

[NorthEasterner]

Been nice knowin' ya, America

By Dimitri Vassilaros TRIBUNE-REVIEW Sunday, May 7, 2006

Will the next generation of U.S. citizens consider themselves Americans or post-Americans? Better still, why wouldn't they consider themselves post-Americans? Considering how quickly this republic is unraveling, is it too late to ask rhetorical questions?

[putupjob]

Karl Rove and Bush and Company, etc. are really doing a lot to make sure this country doesn't get overrun by illegal immigrants. With the course we are now, maybe the Republican Party will get 35% of the illegal immigrant vote, eventually. Losing, the country? Hey, if the Republican party gets 35%, ask Rove, it's worth it.

[llevrok]

I am a Native American. That is, simply, someone who was born here.

[Dane]

Poor Libertarian Dimitri.

I guess that is what Libertarian moral reletavism does to you, makes you as doom and gloom as hillary and pelosi.

[last american]

"Somebody for whom the interests of the U.S. are not paramount and no longer feels greater loyalty to his fellow Americans. They have become cosmopolitans,"


But that is precisely the plan! The balkanization of the united states is the first step, followed by the full and complete destruction of any semblance of borders.. then global socialism will have a much easier chance of taking hold.

[ArmyTeach]

Post for a keeper.

[manwiththehands]

I had a pastor of a church I used to go to declare America "post-Christian" America about 10 years ago. And he warned of "post-American" America. He was more concerned with abortion, special rights for homosexuals, the state of the family, etc. I don't think he had a clue that illegal immigration might have something to do with, too.

[NorthEasterner]

check out my story in the paper

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/zito/s_451003.html

let me know what you think

[gondramB]

>>Been nice knowin' ya, America<<

We have problems. We've had problems before. We'll get through it and its still a great time to be American - the best time yet, I think.

[HarryCaul]

Yeah, cause there's never been a time before when America wasn't totally united in what it was.

America changes, that's what it *does*.

[Dane]

I had a pastor of a church I used to go to declare America "post-Christian" America about 10 years ago.

Just for your information, the writer of this article is also pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage.

I have noticed that big L Libertarians have jumped on the populist tancredo anti-hispanic bandwagon.

[Mercat]

I'm reading How the Irish Saved Western Civilization. The first fourth of the book is a short description of the decline of the Roman empire and the descent into the dark ages. It happened amazingly fast. A few decades.

[JLAGRAYFOX]

This guy is right on, except it is worse!!! America won't become secular or cosmopolitan. It will become destroyed by Nukes and Muslim terrorism fostered by the current Democrat Party, the MSM and America haters right here in the good old USA!!! You young folks have got just a few years left!!!

[beyond the sea]

"The elites in Washington, D.C., New York City and the United Nations seem to have plotted a journey to lead America into the New World Order where a cosmopolitan global citizen is no more connected to his country than a sociopath to his fellow man." ---

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What a surprise. I am glad I'm 59 and not a child in this nation now.

This country and its leaders are acting like filth to the memories and sacrifices of The Founding Fathers and of others.

It disgusts me. I'd hate to be a child now!

[NorthEasterner]

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/zito/s_451003.html

yes i know, i work beside him
:)

[beyond the sea]

We'll get through it and its still a great time to be American - the best time yet, I think.

How old are you, may I ask?

[gondramB]

>>How old are you, may I ask?<<

42, just had a birthday last week.

[beyond the sea]

America changes, that's what it *does*

America dies, that's what it is doing.

[beyond the sea]

This guy is right on, except it is worse

I think you are right.

[MNJohnnie]

Yawn. New day, same old hysterics with the same old doom and gloomy delusions. Same sorts of losers said it in the 1820s, 1850s, 1860s, 1890s, 1910s, 1930s, 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. Funny thing. The Republic survives long after the panic stricken are rotting meat.

[hosepipe]

[ Considering how quickly this republic is unraveling, is it too late to ask rhetorical questions? ]

No thats not accurate.. consider how George Bush is unraveling this republic.. it is not done in a vacuum.. its being done ON PURPOSE.. Both parties are full of distrust for their leaders.. on PURPOSE.. For WHAT?.. Ah! for what?.. Thats almost bibical in proportions that question..

And as the democrats ATTACK HIM, the party faithfull gather together even tighter to aid the unraveling..

BRILLIANT!... simple brilliant as a plan..

[Cicero]

The Irish did save civilization. But the guy who wrote that book is unfortunately unwilling to admit that it was Irish and Anglo-Saxon MISSIONARIES who did the job. I.e., Europe was saved by the reintroduction of Christian civilization from the furthest fringes of Europe.

It's too bad he gets it wrong like that.

[beyond the sea]

I see you missed the 50's. Bummer.

[unfortunately a bluestater]

"I am glad I'm 59 and not a child in this nation now.

This country and its leaders are acting like filth to the memories and sacrifices of The Founding Fathers and of others.

It disgusts me. I'd hate to be a child now!"

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This is exactly now I and many I know feel.

[Xenophon450]

If we elect people strong on national security and pro US Sovereignty in 06 and 08 then we may just win yet.

[freedumb2003]

We'll get through it

We have never been in vaded by an occupying force of 10-20% of our population size before.

If the Bush Amnesty plan (let's not even talk about the McCain/Kennedy plan) goes through, we will have an invasion force of 30-40 MILLION, all of which hold loyalty NOT to the USA, her laws, language, culture morals, NOTHING.

THAT will be the end of America.

[p23185]

What a surprise. I am glad I'm 59 and not a child in this nation now. This country and its leaders are acting like filth to the memories and sacrifices of The Founding Fathers and of others. It disgusts me. I'd hate to be a child now!

Agreed. My grandparents had to take and oath when they LEGALLY entered the once great United States of America. It went someting like this:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen.”(US Oath of Allegiance)

[Nathan Zachary]

Considering the continent is called "North America" We will always been known as "Americans" no matter what kind of totalitarian communist dictatorship it may become. Whether there will be such a thing as "The United States of America" is another thing however. We might revert to being called a Dakotan, or a Ohioan, Texan, etc.
We citizens of the USA mistakenly call ourselves by the continent name rather than citizens of the USA.

[Lessismore]

The leaders in America consider themselves "leaders of the Free World", not just of the United States. This mindset began after WW II, grew during the Cold War, and has continued to evolve into the current Globalist perspective.

I think that we are beyond the point where US government, finance, business, etc. leaders can regain a sense of exclusive loyalty to the United States.

That will happen only after other countries assert themselves and roll back the United States' influence around the world.

[gondramB]

>>I see you missed the 50's. Bummer.<<

It sure looked like fun on Happy Days but with no internet, no Southpark and with segregation I couldn't have been happy.

[Xenophon450]

What if however you were a child now?

[Clemenza]

Let's see, the average American knows more about American Idol than the Constitution or the separation of powers. Hence, the belief that it is DC's responsability to look after healthcare and education. Illegals have no loyalty to this country, while many legals (whether from Europe, Asia, or Latin America) seem to miss the socialism of the countries they fled.

I'm optimistic. America will change, but we will not become "post-America." America was a VASTLY different place culturally 100 years ago, but us in the remnant have fought and will continue to fight to preserve our Republic against populism, socialism, and multiculturalism.

[DumpsterDiver]

This country and its leaders are acting like filth to the memories and sacrifices of The Founding Fathers and of others. It disgusts me. I'd hate to be a child now!

I like Mark Krikorian's definition of a post-American.

"Let me be clear what I mean by a post-American. A post-American may actually still like America, but the emotion resembles the attachment one might feel to, say, suburban New Jersey – it can be a pleasant place to live, but you're always open to a better offer. The post-American has a casual relationship with his native country, unlike a patriot. Put differently, the patriot is married to America; the post-American is just shacking up."

Mark Krikorian
"Post-Americans They've Just 'Grown' Beyond Their Country,"
National Review Online, June 22, 2004
www.cis.org/articles/2004/mskoped062204.html

[Tammy8]

In the past we have always had to courage to face our major problems and stand up for what America has always stood for, no matter how tough we had to be it was worth it for the good of the country.

I agree that we can face up to the problems of today and we are able to solve them. I just hope we have enough guts to do so.

[Baynative]

Also 59 - I have always said that I hit the lottery by being born in the greatest nation the world has known and in it's greatest era. I have seen, rock n' roll, muscle cars, supersonic travel, digital communication, the summer of love and the winter of discontent.

Sadly, I have also seen the advent of political correctness and a cowardly congress unwilling to stand up for this great country's heritage or protect it's society.

That is why I have also said I am glad I won't be here in 30 or 40 years to see what becomes my beloved America and I am so sad and worried for my son and grandson who will have to weather the coming storm in this ship with no rudder.

[gondramB]

>.If the Bush Amnesty plan (let's not even talk about the McCain/Kennedy plan) goes through, we will have an invasion force of 30-40 MILLION, all of which hold loyalty NOT to the USA, her laws, language, culture morals, NOTHING.<<

I oppose amnesty in any form. But we're not talking about eliminating immigration just making sure that immigration continues to be diverse from all over the world instead of all from Mexico. We've had big problems before - this country is incredibly reliant. I have confidence.

[Nathan Zachary]

"What a surprise. I am glad I'm 59 and not a child in this nation now."

Me too. But, maybe things need to get bad before they get better. We have war in our living memory, even those our age that didn't fight most likely had a father or grandfather, uncle who did have to fight for what we have today.
Maybe they need those same experiences to appreciate what they had, and maybe then they can have them again.
Then a few generations later they will be sitting where we are now cursing their ofspring for throwing it all away.

The cycle of life?

[tcrlaf]

The problem with that, and it's been revealed MANY times by history, is that if WE don't take the lead in stopping opression, who will??

DO you HONESTLY think France or Russia is going to take the lead in standing up to Iran?? In the end, we will have to do it, ALONE AGAIN, becasue the costs of NOT doing so, outweigh the costs of action.....

[BW2221]

"Yawn. New day, same old hysterics with the same old doom and gloomy delusions. Same sorts of losers said it in the 1820s, 1850s, 1860s, 1890s, 1910s, 1930s, 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. Funny thing. The Republic survives long after the panic stricken are rotting meat."

I believe it's quite different now. In the 1890's you didn't have Irish coming here with the goal to make the U.S. an Irish Republic. I believe most Muslims would like the U.S. to become an Islamic Republic some day and the illegals demanding "Reconquista." Things are different in the 21st century.

[DumpsterDiver]

ping

[Nathan Zachary]

Let's not forget these amnesty plans are not only for Mexicans that are here illegaly, but for all those islamic terrorists hiding here as well. We tend to be focused on the Mexicans, but there are a few million "others" as well, all with a loyaly to an evil bent on destroying us. The mexicans are less of a threat in that respect, at least they are Christian, they may actually fight the other threat.

[fish hawk]

You could have made a shorter headline: "Adios"

[Battle Hymn of the Republic]

what's different these days is that the framework for the one world global economy/order is in place.

all too many people think the one-world kumbaya utopia will solve it all...

[Dane]

What if however you were a child now?

Uh you would have a long life expectancy and not have to worry about having food in your stomcch or shoes on your feet.

Children and parents 200(even 100) years ago did have to worry about the basic necessities of life.

Oh but I forgot, those evil American farmers who grow food and have evil people with Spanish surnames hired to help pick and process that food, are the demise of America as we know it, nevermind.

[socialismisinsidious]

I don't know.....the immigration issue is a part of a much bigger issue and that would be the path of socialism that this country is on.

The founding fathers knew of the dangers:

from the Federalist paper No. 1:
Hamilton writes:

....the vigor of government is essential to the security of liberty; that, in the contemplation of a sound and well-informed judgment, their interests can never be separated; and that a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants.

[fish hawk]

You are exactly right. That is why I always refer to myself as an American Indian.

[gondramB]

>>In the past we have always had to courage to face our major problems and stand up for what America has always stood for, no matter how tough we had to be it was worth it for the good of the country.

I agree that we can face up to the problems of today and we are able to solve them. I just hope we have enough guts to do so.<<

Humans, including Americans, have a remarkable ability to not face up to problems until they are staring them in the face and can't be ignored. Americans have always shown great strength at that point.

[FlingWingFlyer]

I think your article is right on the money. If the DemocRATs are smart, they will sit back and do nothing about the immigration issue. The GOP base is imploding because of this issue. The DemocRATS' latest bit of rhetoric about America needing even MORE illegal immigrants to pay the Social Security benefits for the upcoming boomer baby retirements was a stroke of brilliance. Judging from what I'm hearing from callers to talk radio, a lot of the "slower" listeners have bought into that.

[Libertina]

Me too, and my family also since 5 relatives came over on the Mayflower...

[Tammy8]

American has a nicer ring to it that Usaian. Don't you think?