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An Army of one wrong recruit
The Oregonian ^ | 5/7/06 | MICHELLE ROBERTS

Posted on 05/07/2006 11:08:55 AM PDT by T-Bird45

Jared Guinther is 18. Tall and lanky, he will graduate from Marshall High School in June. Girls think he's cute, until they try to talk to him and he stammers or just stands there -- silent.

Diagnosed with autism at age 3, Jared is polite but won't talk to people unless they address him first. It's hard for him to make friends. He lives in his own private world.

Jared didn't know there was a war raging in Iraq until his parents told him last fall -- shortly after a military recruiter stopped him outside a Southeast Portland strip mall and complimented him on his black Converse All Stars.

"When Jared first started talking about joining the Army, I thought, 'Well, that isn't going to happen,' " said Paul Guinther, Jared's father. "I told my wife not to worry about it. They're not going to take anybody in the service who's autistic."

But they did. Last month, Jared came home with papers showing that he not only had enlisted, but also had signed up for the Army's most dangerous job: cavalry scout. He is scheduled to leave for basic training Aug. 16.

Officials are now investigating whether recruiters at the U.S. Army Recruiting Station in Southeast Portland improperly concealed Jared's disability, which should have made him ineligible for service.

Jared's story illustrates a growing national problem as the military faces increasing pressure to hit recruiting targets during an unpopular war.

Tracking by the Pentagon shows that complaints about recruiting improprieties are on pace to approach record highs set in 2003 and 2004. The active Army and the Reserve missed recruiting targets last year, and reports of recruiting abuses continue from across the country.

A family in Ohio reported that its mentally ill son was signed up, despite rules banning such enlistments and the fact that records about his illness were readily available.

In Houston, a recruiter warned a potential enlistee that if he backed out of a meeting he would be arrested.

And in Colorado, a high school student working undercover told recruiters he had dropped out and had a drug problem. The recruiter told the boy to fake a diploma and buy a product to help him beat a drug test.

Violations such as these forced the Army to halt recruiting for a day last May so recruiters could be retrained and reminded of the job's ethical requirements.

The Portland Army Recruiting Battalion Headquarters opened its investigation into Jared's case last week after his parents called The Oregonian and the newspaper began asking questions about his enlistment.

Maj. Curt Steinagel, commander of the Military Entrance Processing Station in Portland, said the papers filled out by Jared's recruiters contained no indication of his disability. Steinagel acknowledged that the current climate is tough on recruiters here and elsewhere.

"I can't speak for the Army," he said, "but it's no secret that recruiters stretch and bend the rules because of all the pressure they're under. The problem exists, and we all know it exists."

Diagnosis and struggle

Jared lives in a tiny brown house in Southeast Portland that looks as worn out as his parents do when they get home from work.

Paul Guinther, 57, labors 50 to 60 hour weeks as a painter-sandblaster at Sundial Marine Tug & Barge Works in Troutdale. His wife, Brenda, 50, has the graveyard housekeeping shift at Kaiser Permanente Sunnyside Medical Center in Clackamas.

The couple got together nearly 16 years ago when Jared was 3. Brenda, who had two young children of her own, immediately noticed that Jared was different and pushed Paul to have the boy tested.

"Jared would play with buttons for hours on end," she said. "He'd play with one toy for days. Loud noises bothered him. He was scared to death of the toilet flushing, the lawn mower."

Jared didn't speak until he was almost 4 and could not tolerate the feel of grass on his feet.

Doctors diagnosed him with moderate to severe autism, a developmental disorder that strikes when children are toddlers. It causes problems with social interaction, language and intelligence. No one knows its cause or cure.

School and medical records show that Jared, whose recent verbal IQ tested very low, spent years in special education classes. It was only when he was a high school senior that Brenda pushed for Jared to take regular classes because she wanted him to get a normal rather than a modified diploma.

Jared required extensive tutoring and accommodations to pass, but in June he will graduate alongside his younger stepbrother, Matthew Thorsen.

Last fall, Jared began talking about joining the military after a recruiter stopped him on his way home from school and offered a $4,000 signing bonus, $67,000 for college and more buddies than he could count.

Matthew told his mother that military recruiting at the school and surrounding neighborhoods was so intense that one recruiter had pulled him out of football practice.

Recruiters in Portland and nationwide spend several hours a day cold-calling high school students, whose phone numbers are provided by schools under the No Child Left Behind Law. They also prospect at malls, high school cafeterias, colleges and wherever else young people gather.

Brenda phoned her two brothers, both veterans. She said they laughed and told her not to worry. The military would never take Jared.

The Guinthers, meanwhile, tried to refocus their son.

"I told him, 'Jared, you get out of high school. I know you don't want to be a janitor all your life. You work this job, you go to community college, you find out what you want. You can live here as long as you want,' " Paul said.

They thought it had worked until five weeks ago. Brenda said she called Jared on his cell phone to check what time he'd be home.

"I said 'Jared, what are you doing?' 'I'm taking the test,' he said -- the entrance test. I go, 'Wait a minute.' I said, 'Who's giving you the test?' He said, 'Corporal.' I said, 'Well let me talk to him.' "

Brenda said she spoke to Cpl. Ronan Ansley and explained that Jared had a disability, autism, that could not be outgrown. She said Ansley told her he had been in special classes, too -- for dyslexia.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, there's a big difference between autism and your problem,' " Brenda said.

Military rules prohibit enlisting anyone with a mental disorder that interferes with school or employment, unless a recruit can show he or she hasn't required special academic or job accommodations for 12 months.

Jared has been in special education classes since preschool. Through a special program for disabled workers, he has a part-time job scrubbing toilets and dumping trash.

Jared scored 43 out of 99 on the Army's basic entrance exam -- 31 is the lowest grade the Army allows for enlistment, military officials said.

After learning that Jared had cleared this first hurdle toward enlistment, Brenda said, she called and asked for Ansley's supervisor and got Sgt. Alejandro Velasco.

She said she begged Velasco to review Jared's medical and school records. Brenda said Velasco declined, asserting that he didn't need any paperwork. Under military rules, recruiters are required to gather all available information about a recruit and fill out a medical screening form.

"He was real cocky and he says, 'Well, Jared's an 18-year-old man. He doesn't need his mommy to make his decisions for him.' "

Question of comprehension

The Guinthers are not political activists. They supported the Iraq war in the beginning but have started to question it as fighting dragged on. Brenda Guinther said that if her son Matthew had enlisted, she "wouldn't like it, but I would learn to live with it because I know he would understand the consequences."

But Jared doesn't understand the dangers or the details of what he has done, the Guinthers said.

When they asked Jared how long he would be in the Army, he said he didn't know. His enlistment papers show it's just over four years. Jared also was disappointed to learn that he wouldn't be paid the $4,000 signing bonus until after basic training.

During a recent family gathering, a relative asked Jared what he would do if an enemy was shooting at him. Jared ran to his video game console and killed a digital Xbox soldier and announced, "See! I can do it!"

"My concern is that if he got into a combat situation he really couldn't take someone's back," said Mary Lou Perry, 51, a longtime friend of the Guinthers'. "He wouldn't really know a dangerous thing. This job they have him doing, it's like send him in and if he doesn't get blown up, it's safe for the rest of us."

Steinagel, the processing station commander, told The Oregonian that Jared showed up after passing his written exam. None of his paperwork indicated that he was autistic, but if it had, Jared almost certainly would have been disqualified, he said.

On Tuesday, a reporter visited the U.S. Army Recruiting Station at the Eastport Plaza Shopping Center, where Velasco said he had not been told about Jared's autism.

"Cpl. Ansley is Guinther's recruiter," he said. "I was unaware of any type of autism or anything like that."

Velasco initially denied knowing Jared but later said he'd spent a lot of time mentoring him because Jared was going to become a cavalry scout. The job entails "engaging the enemy with anti-armor weapons and scout vehicles," according to an Army recruiting Web site.

After he had spoken for a few moments, Velasco suddenly grabbed the reporter's tape recorder and tried to tear out the tape, stopping only after the reporter threatened to call the police.

With the Guinthers' permission, The Oregonian faxed Jared's medical records to the U.S. Army Recruiting Battalion commander, Lt. Col. David Carlton in Portland, who on Wednesday ordered the investigation.

The Guinthers said that on Tuesday evening, Cpl. Ansley showed up at their door. They said Ansley stated that he would probably lose his job and face dishonorable discharge unless they could stop the newspaper's story.

Ansley, reached at his recruiting office Thursday, declined to comment for this story.

S. Douglas Smith, spokesman for the U.S. Army Recruiting Command, in Fort Knox, Ky., said he could not comment on specifics of the investigation in Portland. But he defended the 8,200 recruiters working for the active Army and Army Reserve.

Last year, the Army relieved 44 recruiters from duty and admonished 369.

"Everyone in recruiting is let down when one of our recruiters fails to uphold the Army's and Recruiting Command's standards," Smith said.

The Guinthers are eager to hear whether the Army will release Jared from his enlistment. Jared is disappointed he might not go because he thought the recruiters were his friends, they said. But they're willing to accept that.

"If he went to Iraq and got hurt or killed," Paul Guinther said, "I couldn't live with myself knowing I didn't try to stop it."


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KEYWORDS: army; autism; cavalry; mcnamara100000; recruiting; recruitment
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I experienced the result of a fraudulent enlistment of a man in my artillery battery back in 1980. The man told me the recruiter gave him the answers to the ASVAB so he could qualify for enlistment. It didn't take more than 5 minutes of conversation with this soldier to figure out he was not Army material.
1 posted on 05/07/2006 11:08:58 AM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; CatoRenasci

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2 posted on 05/07/2006 11:10:09 AM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: T-Bird45
And then there is the kid that made some mistakes as a teen, has gotten himself on the straight and narrow, clean and sober and truly wanted to serve his country. Took the ASVAB, scored in the 99 percentile. Then had to answer the questionnaire. Told the recruiter that he had done some drugs in his youth and the recruiter told him to lie on the questionnaire that he had not done those things. So, the kid refuses to lie to get in and the Army lost an outstanding young man.
3 posted on 05/07/2006 11:13:40 AM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: zeaal

Past drug use isn't an automatic disqualifier. At least it wasn't when I enlisted. They wanted disclosure and an understanding that there would be no further use. I hadn't used at all so it wasn't an issue for me. One guy I enlisted with claimed to have used marijuana several hundred times and had to get a waiver from someone higher up the command chain.


4 posted on 05/07/2006 11:18:01 AM PDT by DuckFan4ever (Defeat Kulongoski in '06.)
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To: T-Bird45

"had signed up for the Army's most dangerous job: cavalry scout."

This writer is good, she was able to declare the most dangerous job in the Army, with absolute certainty.

That should finally settle that question.

I'm being a little sarcastic.


5 posted on 05/07/2006 11:21:03 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: zeaal

That's just thing thing here...by the time they exclude the drug users, the criminal record holders, the ritalin kids, the obese, the tatooed, and the low test scorers, only about 30 percent of the population is even eligible.


6 posted on 05/07/2006 11:21:44 AM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: T-Bird45

There was enough lying BS in this article that I never made it half way through.


7 posted on 05/07/2006 11:24:00 AM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: Radix
There was enough lying BS in this article that I never made it half way through.

Care to be specific?

8 posted on 05/07/2006 11:28:18 AM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: T-Bird45

SGT Alejandro Velasco does not appear to have covered himself with glory. IF the press story is true, that whole station has to go down to maintain the integrity of the Army.


9 posted on 05/07/2006 11:29:22 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: T-Bird45
Jared's story illustrates a growing national problem as the military faces increasing pressure to hit recruiting targets during an unpopular war.

It's an "unpopular war", because that's the only sort the media elites will allow. Thus they slant their coverage appropriately. That's under a republican administration at least, under the 'toon administration, they championed bombing people who never threatened us, and were in fact fighting against the sort of people, radical Muslim "nationalists" that is, who attacked us on 9-11.

10 posted on 05/07/2006 11:32:33 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: ansel12

The Army's most dangerous job is MOS 94BP

in an MOS 43E unit....

trust me I've seen what can happen...and it isn't pretty...


11 posted on 05/07/2006 11:34:15 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: Wristpin
That's just thing thing here...by the time they exclude the drug users, the criminal record holders, the ritalin kids, the obese, the tatooed, and the low test scorers, only about 30 percent of the population is even eligible.

Tatooed? I live right outside Ft. Hood, almost every enlisted soldier, and some of the officers, I see is tatooed.

12 posted on 05/07/2006 11:37:30 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: joesnuffy
The Army's most dangerous job is MOS 94BP in an MOS 43E unit....

Please translate for those of us who have been out too long to remember every MOS designation.

13 posted on 05/07/2006 11:39:23 AM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: T-Bird45

airborne qualified cook in a parachute rigger unit...;)


14 posted on 05/07/2006 11:43:42 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: joesnuffy

Electronics maintenance in a what kind of unit? what MOS is 43?


15 posted on 05/07/2006 11:44:32 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: T-Bird45

They took me.

'Nuff said.


16 posted on 05/07/2006 11:48:18 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: joesnuffy

Thanks for the translation, got the meaning/joke now. Were the riggers extra careful when they rigged your mobile kitchen for the drop to ensure they had hot chow in the field...:-)


18 posted on 05/07/2006 11:52:18 AM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: T-Bird45
"In Houston, a recruiter warned a potential enlistee that if he backed out of a meeting he would be arrested."

Is that specific enough?

How about this?

"...the Army's most dangerous job: cavalry scout."

Really?

"Matthew told his mother that military recruiting at the school and surrounding neighborhoods was so intense that one recruiter had pulled him out of football practice."

Do you really buy this garbage?

19 posted on 05/07/2006 11:55:20 AM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: T-Bird45

How in the world do you get and remember the ASVAB answers?


20 posted on 05/07/2006 11:55:29 AM PDT by TankerKC (┐JosÚ puede usted ver?)
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To: T-Bird45

As a former Army brat and Marine wife, and the mother of an autistic son, this makes me sick. I am a supporter of the military, but some of the recruiting practices are disgusting.


21 posted on 05/07/2006 11:56:41 AM PDT by conservative cat
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To: ansel12
...the Army's most dangerous job: cavalry scout.

What an idiotic statement. Thank you, Ms. Reporterette, for showing us, yet again, that the press knows ZERO about the military.

22 posted on 05/07/2006 11:58:31 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: Javelina
"New regs make it hard to get in if you have any visible tattoos. You can get waivers, though."

Yup, the military now requires stealth tattoos.

This thread is killing me.

My best friend's son joined the AF a while back, and that kid had some very prominent tattoos. No questions raised at all concerning the stupid stuff all over his neck and arms. I know that I would not have signed him up, but the AF had no problem. It might have been his exceptionally high intellect. I can't say.

23 posted on 05/07/2006 12:01:03 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: TankerKC
How in the world do you get and remember the ASVAB answers?

As I recall, it was in written form. This was 26 years ago so my memory of the specifics is fuzzy but I do know that a fraudulent enlistment report was submitted through the chain of command. That report, combined with the soldier's poor performance, resulted in an early discharge.

24 posted on 05/07/2006 12:03:34 PM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: T-Bird45

Sounds to me like this boy would just be cannon fodder. We don't want that kind of military, or to ever have to fight that kind of war again.


25 posted on 05/07/2006 12:08:38 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: T-Bird45

True story.

When I was in basic training (11/61 - 1/62) we had a guy in our platoon from Maine and I mean, way up in Maine. North of the Caribous.

He had one of those polio arms (left arm) that never grew properly and was only half the length and size of his right arm, a stub really.

When the doctors at Ft. Dix did their medical examination on entry they were stunned he was accepted into the Army.

Needless to say, he was medically discharged and sent home to Maine.

The sad thing about this story is the guy really, really wanted to serve and the day before he left for his home he was speculating that he could remove the brass buttons from his Class A's, replace them with black buttons and he would have a wonderful suit to attend Sunday church.

So help me God.


26 posted on 05/07/2006 12:09:22 PM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: El Gato; Wristpin

They recently changed the tattoo rule so that as long as you couldn't see the tattoos when in uniform they were OK. Besides, once you are in the military I don't think they will kick you out for getting a tattoo.

I'm not a fan of tattoos but so many kids these days are getting them. I don't know why it's so popular, but they had to change the rules because a huge percentage of teens are getting them.


28 posted on 05/07/2006 12:12:02 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: conservative cat

When I hit the "Yellow Footprints" at MCRD San Diego (forty years ago), I was in a group of probably 80...over the first few days, it was obvious that there were a half dozen (and none of these ended up with us for more than a handful of days) that NO Marine Corps recruiter should have let get that far; but these few did - and I'm sure it happened in every training platoon.


29 posted on 05/07/2006 12:16:17 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: Radix
"In Houston, a recruiter warned a potential enlistee that if he backed out of a meeting he would be arrested."

Recruiter BS pressure tactic against an impressionable contact. Believable, IMO.

"...the Army's most dangerous job: cavalry scout."

Depends on your perspective but this is mostly an uninformed reporter swallowing somebody else's BS. Doesn't distract from the main point of the article on fraudulent recruitment, IMO.

"Matthew told his mother that military recruiting at the school and surrounding neighborhoods was so intense that one recruiter had pulled him out of football practice."

Not unlikely based on my experience as a parent of children that were recruited at the end of high school and during their early college years.

As to buying the garbage, I am not sure what you believe is "garbage" but the overall article was well-supported with facts and quotes from knowledgable and named sources. As with anything, I don't accept it simply because "it was in the paper" -- critical thinking is still required to decide how much credence to give to any third-person report. On balance, I would give this article a B+ to A- for authenticity with some mark-off for injected bias concerning an "unpopular war".

30 posted on 05/07/2006 12:24:45 PM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: Javelina
Wow,

I'm not trying to diss you or the original poster at all.

I think that the so called journalist who originally posted this crap is the real retard. It seems to me to be an example of the shameful ignorance of the military which is rather standard these days by media types.

I am quite aware that military recruiters are under a lot of pressure. I recall getting visits at my home, and calls on a regular basis by those guys even after my son was already enrolled in an ROTC program and was on his way to being commissioned.

Anyhow, if I read correctly, you are enlisting, or have already, or have at least considered doing such.

Whatever the result, thank you.

Oh, and free advice here, skip the tattoo thing. Not that you are considering getting some, I just like to do my little spiel. I have never ever met a person who years later was glad that they made a decision to have one.
31 posted on 05/07/2006 12:28:15 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: T-Bird45

You just want me to read the entire article.

Be seeing you.


32 posted on 05/07/2006 12:31:03 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: Radix

Always a pleasure to pass a Sunday afternoon in good exchanges with fellow FReepers. Good day!!


33 posted on 05/07/2006 12:35:02 PM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: monkeyshine
I'm not a fan of tattoos but so many kids these days are getting them. I don't know why it's so popular,

Because they want to be different...

34 posted on 05/07/2006 12:35:24 PM PDT by steveo (Fathers Against Rude Television: You may already be a member)
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To: Radix

Got any proof the statments (other than the opinion about the cavalry scout) are not true?


35 posted on 05/07/2006 12:35:46 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: zeaal
Is is always bad advice to lie on a form like that. Especially if you are seeking a security clearance. The investigators will find out that you lied and you'll never get cleared.
36 posted on 05/07/2006 12:40:02 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: TankerKC

I agree.If the recruit is 'to dumb' to start with,how the heck is he going to memorize multiple answers?Some of the best soldiers I have ever served with, were the ones who had been given a second chance in life at a young age.Remember the days a judge gave you an option?Go into the military,or go to jail!Many stayed and did their 20.


37 posted on 05/07/2006 12:41:53 PM PDT by xarmydog
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To: T-Bird45

"...the Army's most dangerous job: cavalry scout."


Nice Try, maybe Explosive Ordance Disposal (EOD).


"Matthew told his mother that military recruiting at the school and surrounding neighborhoods was so intense that one recruiter had pulled him out of football practice."

Diagnosed with autism at age 3, and he plays football?


38 posted on 05/07/2006 12:46:22 PM PDT by Garvin (Oxymoron? Slick Willy signed my Honorable Discharge)
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To: joesnuffy
OK, you got me curious now. So tell me what's so dangerous about being a "spoon" in a rigger outfit?
39 posted on 05/07/2006 12:47:03 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Beckwith
He had one of those polio arms (left arm) that never grew properly and was only half the length and size of his right arm, a stub really.

Probably not polio. More likely his mom took Thalidomide during pregnancy. That happened to one of my classmates in high school. His left forearm and hand never developed past the fetal stage. His right arm was fine. Aside from the left arm, he was a perfectly bright and capable person.

40 posted on 05/07/2006 12:48:35 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Wristpin; zeaal
That's just thing thing here...by the time they exclude the drug users, the criminal record holders, the ritalin kids, the obese, the tatooed, and the low test scorers, only about 30 percent of the population is even eligible.

That's not true anymore. You can get in with tattoos, drug users (assuming you aren't completely out there anymore and promise to not use drugs while in the military) get waivers and unless you are grotesquely obese, they will still sign you up.
41 posted on 05/07/2006 12:51:01 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: DJ Taylor

Bad food could lead to a Parachute that's packed with a bed sheet for a canopy.


42 posted on 05/07/2006 12:51:34 PM PDT by Garvin (Oxymoron? Slick Willy signed my Honorable Discharge)
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To: Beckwith

We had a guy in our basic training platoon(Ft. Ord, Ca. 1975)who was an escapee from a mental institution. He was carted away a couple of weeks into the cycle.


43 posted on 05/07/2006 12:56:28 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: monkeyshine

Army easing rules on tattoos Possible recruits no longer rejected because of body art
BY MARK MAZZETTI LOS ANGELES TIMES
The Army has a message for the growing legions of flamboyantly tattooed American teens: Uncle Sam wants even you.

Facing one of the worst recruiting climates in the all-volunteer military’s history, the Army has decided to relax standards that dictate which parts of a soldier’s body can be festooned with body art. Specifically, the service now will accept recruits with tattoos on their neck and hands.

The service has long prohibited soldiers from having tattoos on places that are not covered by a dress uniform. But after missing Army recruiting goals last year, commanders are looking for every way possible to expand the pool of candidates.

http://www.ardemgaz.com/ShowStoryTemplate.asp?Path=ArDemocrat/2006/04/30&ID=Ar00901&Section=National


44 posted on 05/07/2006 12:58:56 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: Garvin
Diagnosed with autism at age 3, and he plays football?

Re-read the article -- the football player is the step-brother to the boy with autism.

Agreed that EOD is dangerous but the Cav Scout is usually out there on the bleeding edge, too. A matter of perspective, to be sure. Mostly the "dangerous job" nomenclature comes from the reporter being willing to swallow somebody's line of BS.

45 posted on 05/07/2006 12:59:40 PM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: T-Bird45

Jared's story illustrates a growing national problem as the military faces increasing pressure to hit recruiting targets during an unpopular war."

Wow ... several media cliches all rolled up into a single sentence. how do they do it? Hot-keys for these things?


46 posted on 05/07/2006 1:03:58 PM PDT by WOSG (Faith & Reason)
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To: MikefromOhio

That's not true anymore. You can get in with tattoos, drug users (assuming you aren't completely out there anymore and promise to not use drugs while in the military) get waivers and unless you are grotesquely obese, they will still sign you up.

The tatoo rules are service specific...I'm talking about the hurdles all recruiters face...when you subtract the non high school grads and then add the other disqualifiers, the pool shrinks quickly.

The stats are that only about 30 percent of the 18-24 year olds in this country are qualified for military service.

The truth is 7 out of 10 kids don't qualify!


47 posted on 05/07/2006 1:31:38 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Wristpin

Not quite.

If you pass the AssFlab, chances are they will find a way to get you in.


48 posted on 05/07/2006 1:32:59 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: Myrddin

Exactly why he refused to lie ... he was hoping to go into the intelligence field.


49 posted on 05/07/2006 1:37:11 PM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: Blueflag

At direct support level maintenance, 43 Mike was canvas and glass repairer. Nearly obsolete now.


50 posted on 05/07/2006 1:38:36 PM PDT by elcid1970
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