Skip to comments.Bonds Hits No. 713, Moves Within One Of Ruth
Posted on 05/07/2006 10:00:12 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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How many Home Runs again did Ruth hit based on the big ballparks of the 20's where for example batters had to hit it 403 ft to clear left field at the Senator's ballpark, how about the Big Ballpark in the Bronx where Babe crushed his homers at home. A long out to left or center would be a HR in most modern ballparks that Barry has faced. How about the trips to St Louis' Grand Avenue where center field yawned 430 ft away.
Has Barry faced any ballparks like that?
How many games did Bonds win as a pitcher? Ruth won 94. Ruth was the best pitcher in baseball in 1916, winning 20 games and leading the league in both ERA and shutouts. He would surely have won the Cy Young if it had existed then. He was also a twenty game winner in 1917.
Ruth is the only pitcher in major league history to have pitched in at least 10 seasons and had a winning record in all of them.
200 hit seasons: Babe Ruth - 3 / Barry Bonds: 0
For the record, Babe Ruth stole 123 bases, not bad at all for a man who spent his first 4 major league seasons as a pitcher and who was never given the green light to steal in those years. Had Ruth began his career as a hitter and not a Cy Young caliber pitcher, he would have hit about 125 more home runs. Give Ruth the steroids that the fraud Bonds has taken over the years and he'd probably have hit 1,000 home runs. Steroids make a huge difference, that's why these fraud athletes risk their health and their lives to take them.
Also there were less teams and better pitchers. Now there are so many teams they are watered down with bad pitchers.
Ruth was great, Bonds isn't in the same league as him.
I am completely biased in this matter. Part of it is to counter the Sports MSMs East Coast bias.
cool, please explain
Bonds is almost certainly a juicer, but folks are just deluding themselves if they thing sports stars of the past avoided steroids because of higher moral standards or any love of the game. They didn't do it because they didn't know about them or they weren't available, but if you had offered the athletes of yesteryear better performance from a needle I'm guessing that most of them would have jumped at the chance to shoot up.
How many of Ruths home runs would be counted as ground rule doubles today? I read once that balls that bounced in fair territory, but then went over the fence, used to be counted as home runs.
Thanks for somone finally bringing that one out. The size of stadiums has shrunk big time. Yankee Stadium did favor 'Ruth' in his day, but overall, 490 for Center Field!!!
* Left Field Line - 285 ft.
* Straightaway LF, corner of main stand - 395 ft.
* Straightaway LF, corner of bleachers - 460 ft.
* Center Field - 490 ft.
* Right Center - 429 ft.
* Straightaway RF, bleacher gate - 350 ft.
* Right Field Line - 295 ft.
Yankee Stadium 1988-present
* Altered to make Monument Park more accessible
* Left Field Line - 318 ft.
* Straightaway LF - 379 ft.
* Deep Left Center - 399 ft.
* Center Field - 408 ft.
* Right Center - 385 ft.
* Straightaway RF - 353 ft.
* Right Field Line - 314 ft.
Also, the balls are wound so tight these days that they fly farther than they used to. The old baseballs were more like a mush ball compared to todays "golfball" style action.
please explain further post #57...
I'm in MN hardly east coast bias.
Even these days, Im sick of plays of the day on highlight shows that ignore West Coast games.
. A fair ball that bounces through or over a fence or into the stands is considered a ground-rule double instead of a home run. [6.09]
Ok, I learned something.
But this will get real ugly if Bonds gets close to Hank's record.
MSM = mainstream media.
Maybe, maybe not. With the huge money in the game these days the edge steroids can give a player could mean the difference between languishing in AAA or being a multi-millionaire in the Bigs.
Back in Ruth's time all but a handful of players had to take winter jobs -- most made only a few thousand annually, max. Baseball was literally "just a game" to them, so they'd be far less likely to risk destroying their health to get that edge.
Now I'm really hungry...
finding a better channel usually suited me.
Well, to be fair, he did play in one (Candlestick Park) that wasn't kind to hitters for a few seasons.
1 is pretty damn close.
Ruth is also one of the all-time leaders in steals of home.
I wonder how many times Bonds stole home?
go to bed before you type anything else.
ESPN did their usual "alternate universe" liberalism, trying not to show anyone booing Bonds tonight. The folks still got their signs up before the camera could cut away and one guy leaned over the dugout with a thumbs down, after Bonds homered, while lying Joe Morgan insisted the fans in Philly gave him a standing ovation. There was no curtain call, no sustained applause, nothing that would accompany a standing ovation. ESPN just outright lied. Typical lib media.
Bonds is a cheating jerk that is despised by a large percentage of baseball fans as an affront to the game. I went to a Diamondback game recently and even the laid back, unemotional Phoenix fans booed every appearance of Bonds.
Still has 42 to go before he ties Aaron.
Is that a joke?
LOL -- I've been there :-)
He was a freak.
Greater than Bonds, Mays, and Mantle combined.
I was down at the game last night (Saturday) and believe me, the crowd was booing real loud every time Bonds went up to bat, trotted out to left field, or caught a fly ball. There were some very loud and ugly chants that started in the left field stands and they grew louder as adjoining sections piled on.
The people who were sitting around me were saying some really mean things about Bonds. Ninety-five percent of the people in the stands were thoroughly disgusted with Bonds. The place went nuts every time Bonds made an out at the plate.
Yet I looked around and the stands were full. The game was a sellout because of Bonds. Weird.
How many games has Bonds the Doper pitched?
Yes. Doped record breakers suck...Bonds, McGwire, Sosa etc
Yes if he was truly contrite but he's not. Rose sure played the game with gusto....I miss that a whole lot.
Myself, I have no shame.........I pretty much just spew whatever comes to mind and hope that not too many people bother to take notice.
It don't mean nuten.
"should Pete Rose be allowed in the hall of fame?"
Yes. The man who thought a walk was just another chance to do a wind sprint.
Good one! LOL!
Never did like that term for a home run. Sounds like something I could do.
Welcome to FR....given your laconic post I assume you are not a virgin around here.
Lay off Willie Mays will ya?
Anybody using the juice should have a great big * next to their name in the record book. Sammy Sosa all but fell off the map after those Congressional hearings on steroids, while McGwire basically took the 5th when asked if he'd ever taken performance enhancers.
As for Barry Bonds, I'm sure it's just a coinky-dink that at the same time his numbers explode, his body morphs from that of a decent outfielder to some body-building freak with an oversized head. Remember, before 2000, when he started cranking out homers at an unbelievable pace, his numbers were trending downward, as would happen to any aging ballplayer. Suddenly, when he should be thinking about retirement, he suddenly explodes with close to 300 dingers over the last 6 years? Take away the juice, and Big Giant Head is at tops a 550 homer man.
Finally, as to the question of whether or not Pete Rose belongs in the Hall: based on his achievments on the field, yes. But betting on baseball was always a no-no, and he knew better.
So your point is that Bonds cheats AND steals?
Personally, I say just let all the armchair has beens and never weres both in the media and on this thread take their potshots. Those of us fortunate enough to have watched Bonds over the last 20 + years (including high school) know that whether you like him or not, whether he used illegal substances in the last several years or not, know we've been watching something special. If he was crazy enough to use things that would enhance his performance and possibly hurt him later, he's really only hurt himself. The enhancers don't explain the quick wrists, the pitch selection and the awesome swing. They may have helped him swing a bit harder, and hit the ball a bit farther, but they didn't make him a star. He was already a star before any charges were made, and there was any indication of steroid use.
All the know it alls who think they should control whether he goes into the hall of fame, or has an asterick in the record books are free to make their comments and spew their statistics, but in the end, Barry is still one of the greatest ballplayers fo all time. Get over it!
The year Ruth hit 54 home runs, that was more home runs than any American league team had hit that year. That should tell you something about the caliber of pitching that was around before expansion. Ruth was doing something that entire teams could not do. Some of the greatest pitchers ever were pitching back in Ruth's days, and those rosters had only four starters. Todays pitching rosters have five starters, and these 5th starters are guys who wouldn't have made any major league team in Ruth's days, and probably not even any minor league team.
BTW, exactly which Black and Latino pitchers has Bonds had to face in his career that were better than Walter Johnson (110 career shutouts, 3,509 K's), Bob Feller, (44 career shutouts, 2,581 strikeouts in 18 yrs) , Dizzy Dean (23 shutouts in a 6 year span, won 120 games in his first 5 seasons), Lefty Grove, (172 wins in a 7 year span, 35 career shutouts), Grover Cleveland Alexander ( 373 career wins, 2.56 career ERA)??
Another consideration is that Ruth played during the days of the 4-man pitching rotation; Bonds played during the 5-man rotation. This means, of course, that the "5th" pitchers in today's rotations are garbage men who would not have made the rosters of any Major Leage team in Ruth's day, and probably not even the minor leagues. This probably adds another 100 or so cheasy home runs to Bonds' already steroid-tainted total.
Lastly, how can you compare the greatest all around baseball player ever, the only man who absolutely mastered both pitching and hitting and was an AllStar in both, with an artificially pumped up steroid freak?
For the record, Babe Ruth was an excellent base runner. In fact he successfully stole home 10 times, stole 123 total bases even though he never had an attempt in his first four years (as a pitcher). He was a very competent fielder with a strong, accurate throwing arm.
Babe Ruth has 7 World Series rings; Barry Bonds is working on 7 Grand Jury indictments and Congressional investigations. To sum up, Ruth was the better player, the better man, and (unlike Bonds) was good for the game of baseball.