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Bonds Hits No. 713, Moves Within One Of Ruth
CBS2CHICAGO ^ | 7 MAY 2006 | AP

Posted on 05/07/2006 10:00:12 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Its a shame. The comparison with Ruth really isn't valid because back then they didn't throw 90mph. Hank Aaron is the person who is really gonna be ripped off in this, and us.
51 posted on 05/07/2006 10:45:07 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: stillonaroll

How many Home Runs again did Ruth hit based on the big ballparks of the 20's where for example batters had to hit it 403 ft to clear left field at the Senator's ballpark, how about the Big Ballpark in the Bronx where Babe crushed his homers at home. A long out to left or center would be a HR in most modern ballparks that Barry has faced. How about the trips to St Louis' Grand Avenue where center field yawned 430 ft away.

Has Barry faced any ballparks like that?


52 posted on 05/07/2006 10:45:38 PM PDT by A message
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To: stillonaroll
"How many stolen bases did Babe Ruth have? Bonds has 500."

How many games did Bonds win as a pitcher? Ruth won 94. Ruth was the best pitcher in baseball in 1916, winning 20 games and leading the league in both ERA and shutouts. He would surely have won the Cy Young if it had existed then. He was also a twenty game winner in 1917.

Ruth is the only pitcher in major league history to have pitched in at least 10 seasons and had a winning record in all of them.

200 hit seasons: Babe Ruth - 3 / Barry Bonds: 0

For the record, Babe Ruth stole 123 bases, not bad at all for a man who spent his first 4 major league seasons as a pitcher and who was never given the green light to steal in those years. Had Ruth began his career as a hitter and not a Cy Young caliber pitcher, he would have hit about 125 more home runs. Give Ruth the steroids that the fraud Bonds has taken over the years and he'd probably have hit 1,000 home runs. Steroids make a huge difference, that's why these fraud athletes risk their health and their lives to take them.

53 posted on 05/07/2006 10:46:47 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Also there were less teams and better pitchers. Now there are so many teams they are watered down with bad pitchers.


54 posted on 05/07/2006 10:47:58 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: stillonaroll
"How many stolen bases did Babe Ruth have? Bonds has 500."

How many strikeouts, wins, saves does Bonds have? And what was his ERA?

Ruth:
Games-163
Complete Games-107
Shutouts-17
W-94
L-46
SO-488
ERA-2.28
55 posted on 05/07/2006 10:53:26 PM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: A message; karnage

Ruth was great, Bonds isn't in the same league as him.


56 posted on 05/07/2006 10:54:12 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: kinoxi
like i said sarcastically in #33. your not a little bit biased now are you?

I am completely biased in this matter. Part of it is to counter the Sports MSM’s East Coast bias.

57 posted on 05/07/2006 10:55:25 PM PDT by stillonaroll
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To: stillonaroll

cool, please explain


58 posted on 05/07/2006 10:56:42 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Bonds is almost certainly a juicer, but folks are just deluding themselves if they thing sports stars of the past avoided steroids because of higher moral standards or any love of the game. They didn't do it because they didn't know about them or they weren't available, but if you had offered the athletes of yesteryear better performance from a needle I'm guessing that most of them would have jumped at the chance to shoot up.


59 posted on 05/07/2006 10:57:41 PM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: A message
How many Home Runs again did Ruth hit based on the big ballparks of the 20's

How many of Ruth’s home runs would be counted as ground rule doubles today? I read once that balls that bounced in fair territory, but then went over the fence, used to be counted as home runs.

60 posted on 05/07/2006 10:58:13 PM PDT by stillonaroll
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To: A message

Thanks for somone finally bringing that one out. The size of stadiums has shrunk big time. Yankee Stadium did favor 'Ruth' in his day, but overall, 490 for Center Field!!!


Yankee Stadium
1923-1936

* Left Field Line - 285 ft.
* Straightaway LF, corner of main stand - 395 ft.
* Straightaway LF, corner of bleachers - 460 ft.
* Center Field - 490 ft.
* Right Center - 429 ft.
* Straightaway RF, bleacher gate - 350 ft.
* Right Field Line - 295 ft.

Yankee Stadium 1988-present

* Altered to make Monument Park more accessible
* Left Field Line - 318 ft.
* Straightaway LF - 379 ft.
* Deep Left Center - 399 ft.
* Center Field - 408 ft.
* Right Center - 385 ft.
* Straightaway RF - 353 ft.
* Right Field Line - 314 ft.


61 posted on 05/07/2006 10:58:57 PM PDT by Marius3188 (Happy Resurrection Weekend)
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To: A message
How many Home Runs again did Ruth hit based on the big ballparks of the 20's where for example batters had to hit it 403 ft to clear left field at the Senator's ballpark, how about the Big Ballpark in the Bronx where Babe crushed his homers at home. A long out to left or center would be a HR in most modern ballparks that Barry has faced. How about the trips to St Louis' Grand Avenue where center field yawned 430 ft away.

Also, the balls are wound so tight these days that they fly farther than they used to. The old baseballs were more like a mush ball compared to todays "golfball" style action.

62 posted on 05/07/2006 11:00:09 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: stillonaroll

please explain further post #57...


63 posted on 05/07/2006 11:01:16 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: stillonaroll
Was there any good Latin pitchers back then?
64 posted on 05/07/2006 11:02:42 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: stillonaroll
I am completely biased in this matter. Part of it is to counter the Sports MSM’s East Coast bias.

I'm in MN hardly east coast bias.

65 posted on 05/07/2006 11:03:39 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: kinoxi
Ruth, being on of “theirs,” having played in New York almost his entire career, is especially venerated by the East Coast sports media. They don’t give Hank Aaron sufficient props, as he played outside elsewhere.

Even these days, I’m sick of “plays of the day” on highlight shows that ignore West Coast games.

66 posted on 05/07/2006 11:04:01 PM PDT by stillonaroll
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To: stillonaroll
1931 rules change.

. A fair ball that bounces through or over a fence or into the stands is considered a ground-rule double instead of a home run. [6.09]

Ok, I learned something.

But this will get real ugly if Bonds gets close to Hank's record.

67 posted on 05/07/2006 11:04:03 PM PDT by A message
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To: Echo Talon

MSM = mainstream media.


68 posted on 05/07/2006 11:04:51 PM PDT by stillonaroll
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To: elmer fudd
but if you had offered the athletes of yesteryear better performance from a needle I'm guessing that most of them would have jumped at the chance to shoot up.

Maybe, maybe not. With the huge money in the game these days the edge steroids can give a player could mean the difference between languishing in AAA or being a multi-millionaire in the Bigs.

Back in Ruth's time all but a handful of players had to take winter jobs -- most made only a few thousand annually, max. Baseball was literally "just a game" to them, so they'd be far less likely to risk destroying their health to get that edge.

69 posted on 05/07/2006 11:07:04 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: stillonaroll
oh, I thought you were talking about us... I believe most people beliebe Ruth is the better athlete.
Give Ruth some roids and a record to chase and see how may homers he gets. :)
70 posted on 05/07/2006 11:09:40 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: rvoitier

Now I'm really hungry...


71 posted on 05/07/2006 11:09:56 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Let's Go Giants!)
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To: stillonaroll

finding a better channel usually suited me.


72 posted on 05/07/2006 11:10:26 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: elmer fudd
"They didn't do it because they didn't know about them or they weren't available, but if you had offered the athletes of yesteryear better performance from a needle I'm guessing that most of them would have jumped at the chance to shoot up."

Thought Police on Patrol. George Orwell, call your office.

Actually, when I was into sports back in the day (mid 70's-mid 80's) performance enhancing drugs were frowned upon. I still remember our opinion of the USSR and their she-male womens Olympic team.
73 posted on 05/07/2006 11:10:35 PM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: A message
Has Barry faced any ballparks like that?

Well, to be fair, he did play in one (Candlestick Park) that wasn't kind to hitters for a few seasons.

74 posted on 05/07/2006 11:14:36 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Let's Go Giants!)
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To: A message
But this will get real ugly if Bonds gets close to Hank's record.

1 is pretty damn close.

75 posted on 05/07/2006 11:15:33 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: karnage

Ruth is also one of the all-time leaders in steals of home.
I wonder how many times Bonds stole home?


76 posted on 05/07/2006 11:15:56 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: hole_n_one
You're an idiot........

go to bed before you type anything else.

77 posted on 05/07/2006 11:16:17 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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ESPN did their usual "alternate universe" liberalism, trying not to show anyone booing Bonds tonight. The folks still got their signs up before the camera could cut away and one guy leaned over the dugout with a thumbs down, after Bonds homered, while lying Joe Morgan insisted the fans in Philly gave him a standing ovation. There was no curtain call, no sustained applause, nothing that would accompany a standing ovation. ESPN just outright lied. Typical lib media.

Bonds is a cheating jerk that is despised by a large percentage of baseball fans as an affront to the game. I went to a Diamondback game recently and even the laid back, unemotional Phoenix fans booed every appearance of Bonds.


78 posted on 05/07/2006 11:18:02 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: hole_n_one

Still has 42 to go before he ties Aaron.


79 posted on 05/07/2006 11:18:55 PM PDT by A message
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To: KoRn
The comparison with Ruth really isn't valid because back then they didn't throw 90mph

Is that a joke?

80 posted on 05/07/2006 11:19:29 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: hole_n_one

LOL -- I've been there :-)


81 posted on 05/07/2006 11:20:34 PM PDT by A message
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In 1927, The Babe hit more dingers than the combined total of the players of each AL team.

He was a freak.

Greater than Bonds, Mays, and Mantle combined.

Lesson over.

82 posted on 05/07/2006 11:23:55 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Echo Talon
performance enhancing drugs? It is unknown since amphetamines became commercially were available during his time with the NY Yankees.
83 posted on 05/07/2006 11:26:09 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (The Right To Take Life is NOT a Constitutional "Liberty" protected by the 14th Amendment)
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To: Luke21

I was down at the game last night (Saturday) and believe me, the crowd was booing real loud every time Bonds went up to bat, trotted out to left field, or caught a fly ball. There were some very loud and ugly chants that started in the left field stands and they grew louder as adjoining sections piled on.

The people who were sitting around me were saying some really mean things about Bonds. Ninety-five percent of the people in the stands were thoroughly disgusted with Bonds. The place went nuts every time Bonds made an out at the plate.

Yet I looked around and the stands were full. The game was a sellout because of Bonds. Weird.


84 posted on 05/07/2006 11:26:21 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

fakir.


85 posted on 05/07/2006 11:27:05 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: stillonaroll; Mr. Mojo

How many games has Bonds the Doper pitched?


86 posted on 05/07/2006 11:29:01 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: martin_fierro; Mr. Mojo
Years ago, when my son was small, Bonds played over here in the Winter Baseball League. He was the skinny kid on the left in your pic. After that he went to Pittsburgh.

He could hit then. (But the pitches were 86-90 fastballs...... I was sitting behind the guy with the gun.) He never knocked one out of Wong Stadium.
87 posted on 05/07/2006 11:31:34 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Order of Battle: Sink or capture as Prize, MS Media)
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To: isthisnickcool

Yes. Doped record breakers suck...Bonds, McGwire, Sosa etc

Yes if he was truly contrite but he's not. Rose sure played the game with gusto....I miss that a whole lot.


88 posted on 05/07/2006 11:32:58 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: Senator Pardek
I see that you're keeping true to the ol' axiom of quality over quantity as it relates to your posting on FR.

Myself, I have no shame.........I pretty much just spew whatever comes to mind and hope that not too many people bother to take notice.

89 posted on 05/07/2006 11:40:47 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

It don't mean nuten.


90 posted on 05/07/2006 11:42:03 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Is tractus pro pensio.)
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To: isthisnickcool

"should Pete Rose be allowed in the hall of fame?"

Yes. The man who thought a walk was just another chance to do a wind sprint.


91 posted on 05/07/2006 11:42:18 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (Illegal immigration 24/7, the GOP ain't making it 24/7, Oil 24/7)
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To: hole_n_one; Rex Anderson

Your welcome.


92 posted on 05/07/2006 11:46:35 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: hole_n_one

Good one! LOL!


94 posted on 05/07/2006 11:54:51 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (Illegal immigration 24/7, the GOP ain't making it 24/7, Oil 24/7)
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To: Senator Pardek

"dingers"

Never did like that term for a home run. Sounds like something I could do.


95 posted on 05/08/2006 12:01:42 AM PDT by jwh_Denver (Illegal immigration 24/7, the GOP ain't making it 24/7, Oil 24/7)
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To: Borders.Language.Beer.

Welcome to FR....given your laconic post I assume you are not a virgin around here.

Lay off Willie Mays will ya?


96 posted on 05/08/2006 12:04:17 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: isthisnickcool
For those of you that do know baseball I have two questions. One, do you think that players that have used steroids should have their records questioned? Two, should Pete Rose be allowed in the hall of fame?

Anybody using the juice should have a great big * next to their name in the record book. Sammy Sosa all but fell off the map after those Congressional hearings on steroids, while McGwire basically took the 5th when asked if he'd ever taken performance enhancers.

As for Barry Bonds, I'm sure it's just a coinky-dink that at the same time his numbers explode, his body morphs from that of a decent outfielder to some body-building freak with an oversized head. Remember, before 2000, when he started cranking out homers at an unbelievable pace, his numbers were trending downward, as would happen to any aging ballplayer. Suddenly, when he should be thinking about retirement, he suddenly explodes with close to 300 dingers over the last 6 years? Take away the juice, and Big Giant Head is at tops a 550 homer man.

Finally, as to the question of whether or not Pete Rose belongs in the Hall: based on his achievments on the field, yes. But betting on baseball was always a no-no, and he knew better.

97 posted on 05/08/2006 12:07:50 AM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("By the time I'm finished with you, you're gonna wish you felt this good again" - Jack Bauer)
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To: stillonaroll
How many stolen bases did Babe Ruth have? Bonds has 500.

Interesting.

So your point is that Bonds cheats AND steals?

98 posted on 05/08/2006 12:08:49 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: stillonaroll

Personally, I say just let all the armchair has beens and never weres both in the media and on this thread take their potshots. Those of us fortunate enough to have watched Bonds over the last 20 + years (including high school) know that whether you like him or not, whether he used illegal substances in the last several years or not, know we've been watching something special. If he was crazy enough to use things that would enhance his performance and possibly hurt him later, he's really only hurt himself. The enhancers don't explain the quick wrists, the pitch selection and the awesome swing. They may have helped him swing a bit harder, and hit the ball a bit farther, but they didn't make him a star. He was already a star before any charges were made, and there was any indication of steroid use.

All the know it alls who think they should control whether he goes into the hall of fame, or has an asterick in the record books are free to make their comments and spew their statistics, but in the end, Barry is still one of the greatest ballplayers fo all time. Get over it!


99 posted on 05/08/2006 12:11:55 AM PDT by Primetimedonna (Charter member of the San Francisco SnowFlakes! We love our Tony! It's SAN FRANCISCO, not Frisco.)
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To: stillonaroll
"The question in 16 was how many black/Latin pitchers Ruth faced, and the answer is zero. Bonds has faced many"

The year Ruth hit 54 home runs, that was more home runs than any American league team had hit that year. That should tell you something about the caliber of pitching that was around before expansion. Ruth was doing something that entire teams could not do. Some of the greatest pitchers ever were pitching back in Ruth's days, and those rosters had only four starters. Todays pitching rosters have five starters, and these 5th starters are guys who wouldn't have made any major league team in Ruth's days, and probably not even any minor league team.

BTW, exactly which Black and Latino pitchers has Bonds had to face in his career that were better than Walter Johnson (110 career shutouts, 3,509 K's), Bob Feller, (44 career shutouts, 2,581 strikeouts in 18 yrs) , Dizzy Dean (23 shutouts in a 6 year span, won 120 games in his first 5 seasons), Lefty Grove, (172 wins in a 7 year span, 35 career shutouts), Grover Cleveland Alexander ( 373 career wins, 2.56 career ERA)??

Another consideration is that Ruth played during the days of the 4-man pitching rotation; Bonds played during the 5-man rotation. This means, of course, that the "5th" pitchers in today's rotations are garbage men who would not have made the rosters of any Major Leage team in Ruth's day, and probably not even the minor leagues. This probably adds another 100 or so cheasy home runs to Bonds' already steroid-tainted total.

Lastly, how can you compare the greatest all around baseball player ever, the only man who absolutely mastered both pitching and hitting and was an AllStar in both, with an artificially pumped up steroid freak?

For the record, Babe Ruth was an excellent base runner. In fact he successfully stole home 10 times, stole 123 total bases even though he never had an attempt in his first four years (as a pitcher). He was a very competent fielder with a strong, accurate throwing arm.

Babe Ruth has 7 World Series rings; Barry Bonds is working on 7 Grand Jury indictments and Congressional investigations. To sum up, Ruth was the better player, the better man, and (unlike Bonds) was good for the game of baseball.

100 posted on 05/08/2006 12:13:43 AM PDT by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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