A room full of violence, and the silence of death: Tate unveils new Rothko Room

I guess you don't believe that the sublimation of the animal instincts, the sex drive, for example, can result in creativity. Artists, not only of the Nietzschean ilk, believe this to be true -- as well, boxers and athletes also attest to how this drive can be channeled toward different ends.

It's a conscious decision to do the channeling. Rage, love, passion sex drive, etc. may be employed as a fuel. Emotions are not in themselves creative.

What do you think of the surrealists who see and draw upon the connection between the unconscious and their art? The language of dreams totally pervades their art.

A key phrase here: the language of dreams. Language denotes communication and dreams are an universal human condition. A surrealist like Magritte is bringing that universal dream language into his dialog with his audience, but his constructs are the work of his conscious mind.

As well, if creativity is a necessary component of free will, why can't we turn it on at will, like a light switch

You can, as any human not in a vegetative state can. When you decide what words you use to reply to me, you are creating. That does not mean you can force it into unaccustomed pathways at will. That takes the all too familiar creative struggle. I think "writer's block" occurs when a previously productive pathway plays itself out or the emotional fuel is exhausted. Maybe that's what happened to Rothko. His pathway became repetitive and his solution was to pour ever increasing amounts of rage into the path, with ever diminishing return.

"Emotions are not in themselves creative."

While emotions may not be creative, their repression has led to creative expression -- what comes up through the floor boards to consciousness. The conscious mind has no part in determining the imagery. It usually is quite surprised and shocked by it all. The conscious mind may decide to do the channeling of rage, love, etc., but it doesn't determine how these emotion will be modified or creatively expressed.

"A surrealist like Magritte is bringing that universal dream language into his dialog with his audience, but his constructs are the work of his conscious mind."

I'm not sure about that. I would think that the constructs (imagery) are given to him by the dream. I think that on some unconscious level there is judgment involved in choosing the image for the dream, though the dreamer is not consciously aware of this.

"When you decide what words you use to reply to me, you are creating."

I agree but this would have to be a lower order of creativity. It doesn't take emotional fuel to write this stuff. On an everyday level we use free will to create the most mundane things. It is still creative in the sense that the outcome of our choices may be something new, but not terribly profound.

The conscious mind has no part in determining the imagery.

Of course it does. It is the interpreter and the editor. It's not as if the artist is going into an amnesiac fugue and ending up with a work of art without knowing how it got there. Any artist who claims he doesn't know why or how an image was derived is either lying to himself, lying to others, or randomly flinging paint like a chimp in hopes of a happy accident.

It usually is quite surprised and shocked by it all. The conscious mind may decide to do the channeling of rage, love, etc., but it doesn't determine how these emotion will be modified or creatively expressed.

On the contrary, that is exactly the conscious function: to determine the use of the emotions and imagery in order to convey that to the audience, using craftsmanship as the medium. You can express your rage by painting, or by beating up your neighbor, but you consciously decide which path to express the rage; the rage doesn't decide the path.

Free will, again. You are responsible for the actions of your body. The "devil doesn't make you do it"; you choose and act. Uncontrolled actions don't create art, they create random patterns.

"It is the interpreter and the editor."

You're right about the functioning of the conscious mind, but interpretation is not creation. And editing, again, may be similar to craft. The artist, on an intuitive level, knows what the images mean. He probably knows that it came from some working deep inside himself and he has a choice (free will) to either go with the images or wait for a more inspiring insight or expression to come to him. Creation, art, personality, all imply an ordering process. This ordering can be done consciously or unconsciously, and I think that some great art has come about through the latter.

"the conscious function: to determine the use of the emotions and imagery in order to convey that to the audience, using craftsmanship as the medium."

I agree that it determines the use of the emotions and imagery (free will in choosing amongst various emotional laden images) but I doubt if it actually creates the images. It waits upon judgment from some other source, and then will choose whatever images may come.

We are rapidly reaching the level of semantics. I believe imagination (literally: the creation of images within the mind) is consciously controlled. It is a function of taking billions of discrete things from our experience and combining them in unique ways.

You posit that it springs from some unknowable outside source, which we are helpless to act without. We are compelled to await its input. At that point, our discussion passes beyond provable posits into the realm of faith. My faith is in Free Will; you are, to some extent, a predeterminist.

Hi Professor!

I think I promised to report back if I got to the Tate Modern and saw the Rothkos. I did. So, ok, I love the modern as a building and a museum. Its absolutely wonderful, I had a great time, looking up, looking down, looking out, checking out the floor, admiring the greenish cast of glass, the grey light......the industrial strength impact the building makes. One of the best recyling jobs I have ever seen. Its a great museum.

The Rothko room, however, was a massive disappointment. Your pictures show it quite well lit, no doubt to enhance the photograph, but it was so dim, I could barely make out the subtle changes that might have been going on in the paintings. I could just dimly make out the paintings themselves and it was very irritating straining to see. Normally, I like to look at Rothkos work. It is a bit mesmerising the way the colours shift, come forward, retreat. And I like the raggedy edges and the layered colours. Seeing them in real life is a very active experience.

But not to be. anyway, I sat on the bench and watched the crowd come and go. They came, looked, moved closer, stayed not long and left. I think perhaps it was too frustrating to try to connect with the works. Was for me. But what do I know. I think that the "brilliant" lighting scheme sabatoged the presentation.

And I guess here the argument moves to what exactly Rothko intended in this type of work, and his instructions for display. If he didn't mean for it to be seen, then that's just mean, and he's more about attitude than art. Which is another discussion.

I only ask of art that it capture and communicate the essential honesty of a visual experience without becoming a manifesto. If ya need a manifesto to go along with it, its something else, if you want to fool people and laugh at them, then its something else. I find that kind of dishonesty offputting and offensive. But I can look at something ugly like a Bacon, and be powerfully moved, it doesn't have to be pretty, but it doesn't have to reek with self importance. ooooh boy. Better stop or I'll have a manifesto of my own.

Anyway, lots of "modern" art to me fails, just because it isn't about art, its about one artist. I can't buy into the unmade beds, stuff strewn in heaps, bodily fluids and other "statements" as art. I like to say that many modern artists need to put their diapers back on and learn to sublimate. I find too much concept, too little craft, leaves me laughing, not the least bit embarrassed by my bourgeois sensibility. LOL.

So I don't know what the intention of the Rothko Display was.(was he having one over on us after all, sons-of-bitches that we are?) Maybe.

Thank you so much for the update! I'm sorry that the Rothko room is so darkly lit. I think he used to go around to his galleries and turn down the lights. But it is too dark if you can't even see his subtleties.

The rest of your post reminds me of my students' journals this semester, and I am beginning to agree. Most of the shocking work after 1955 or so is just that: shocking, and it does not wear well with time.

I only ask of art that it capture and communicate the essential honesty of a visual experience without becoming a manifesto.

I totally agree with you. I like the word manifesto in there. You are so right.

You are making me want to write more about contemporary art, but I have another project I have to do right now, so back to work. Thanks for the diversion.

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