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Mary Cheney Considered Quitting 2004 Campaign Over Gay Marriage Issue
ABC News ^ | May 3, 2006

Posted on 05/08/2006 4:06:47 PM PDT by skandalon

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To: Howlin
Are there black people, or are they, too, ones who feel predisposed to engage in black activities?

LOL -you make the point succinctly -there are no stereotypical black activities e.g. Ice Hockey - JUST as there are no stereotypical homosexual physical traits e.g. pink skin color...

-- The ONLY thing differentiating a disordered heterosexual (homosexual) from a normal heterosexual is the sexual activity thought about and or chosen to engage in...

51 posted on 05/08/2006 5:13:52 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: gidget7
These things are all more of the "not responsible for my behavior" tactics. And can do the country no good, but a lot of harm.

Well put.
A very telling remark from Mary Cheney in this interview which I think pretty well sums up the convoluted homosexual mindset:

"I think he's a very good man," Cheney said of Bush. "On these issues, he hasn't caught up."

52 posted on 05/08/2006 5:14:28 PM PDT by jla
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To: DBeers

You're saying they CHOOSE to live miserable lives?

Ridiculous.


53 posted on 05/08/2006 5:15:48 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Torie
There are no "gay" people

Some people are born to be nagged.

Some are made to be nagged.

Some people have nagging thrust upon them.

54 posted on 05/08/2006 5:16:01 PM PDT by AmishDude (AmishDude, servant of the dark lord Xenu.)
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To: DBeers

The ONLY thing differentiating a disordered heterosexual (homosexual) from a normal heterosexual is the sexual activity thought about and or chosen to engage in...




So, if we ban Judy Garland retrospectives and Cher albums we eliminate homosexuality?


55 posted on 05/08/2006 5:17:16 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: jla
Right! As if "catching up" means get with the times. Reminds me of the liberal churches who dismiss Reverends, saying they have not kept up with the times as far as scripture. As if the Bible somehow progresses to what liberal man is thinking at any given time.
56 posted on 05/08/2006 5:17:40 PM PDT by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: AmishDude

^5


57 posted on 05/08/2006 5:19:24 PM PDT by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: Howlin
You're saying they CHOOSE to live miserable lives?

Many people are miserable because of bad choices. There are many examples...drug or alcohol addicts to name just a couple.

58 posted on 05/08/2006 5:21:18 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: skandalon

It's Gay TV...24 Hours a day. Where the hell is Ward Cleaver when we need him?


59 posted on 05/08/2006 5:21:48 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: Peach; skandalon

<< .... the country has been moving toward socialism for 20 years or more. >>

Yair.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more.

Given that socialists took over congress in the late 1920s and all the while stacking the bureaucracy with their apparatchicks whose fifth generations own it still, held it for more than 70 years.

And given that Frank Roosevelt was socialist to the marrow of his bones, his administration was systemically socialist, he liberally larded every feral-gummint department and court with Soviet agents, communists and activists, his every policy was un-and-anti-Constitutional -- and "Socialist" was his middle name!


60 posted on 05/08/2006 5:22:15 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Life's only certainties include the absolute corruption of those who collect and spend our taxes.)
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To: sinkspur
You have no way of knowing if the Cheneys love their daughter.
61 posted on 05/08/2006 5:23:44 PM PDT by Jane Austen
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To: Howlin
You're saying they CHOOSE to live miserable lives?

I've always thought that to be a specious argument. Many people can be said to have chosen misery in a variety of ways. Women stay with abusers, for example. Just one example is a martyr complex. People's behavior is often a complex web.

But I suppose I recoil from this line of argument most because it implies that man is just an animal who is a slave to his or her sexual impulses and that sexual activity (not desire) is out of human control.

62 posted on 05/08/2006 5:24:24 PM PDT by AmishDude (AmishDude, servant of the dark lord Xenu.)
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To: Howlin

I sure deplore the activities by schools that promote children making these lifestyle choices without much information on the downside.


63 posted on 05/08/2006 5:24:32 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Peach

I love the Cheney family.


64 posted on 05/08/2006 5:25:29 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: DBeers

Listen cowboy, I don't know if it is innate or not, or environmental, or a mixture of the two, or whether it varies by the individual (my guess), but the suggestion that going gay is like picking a brand of toothpaste (I assume that is what you meant by claiming there are no gay people), simply defies all anecdotal evidence. The anecdotal evidence is that folks resist going gay, until they realize that further resistance is futile, and destructive to the self (psychologically).


65 posted on 05/08/2006 5:26:57 PM PDT by Torie
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To: ClaireSolt

Welcome to the liberal mentality where we corrupt the kids at an early age so they do what the liberals want them to do.


66 posted on 05/08/2006 5:28:33 PM PDT by John Geyer
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To: Jane Austen
You have no way of knowing if the Cheneys love their daughter.

You're right. They likely hate her; that's why they hug her in public and defend her and why she says her parents are great!

Those are the actions of adults who despise each other, for sure!!!

67 posted on 05/08/2006 5:28:47 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: AmishDude
Many people can be said to have chosen misery in a variety of ways.

An excellent point; I see quite a few of them on FR lately. :-)

68 posted on 05/08/2006 5:30:35 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: ClaireSolt

I certainly do, too.

But I don't think they CHOOSE this lifestyle.


69 posted on 05/08/2006 5:31:08 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: sinkspur
Those are the actions of adults who despise each other, for sure!!!

Everybody knows loving parents kick their gay kids out of the house. :-)

70 posted on 05/08/2006 5:31:53 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

And refuse to help with their college tuition, that they could otherwise afford. It's tough love, praise the Lord!


71 posted on 05/08/2006 5:34:40 PM PDT by Torie
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To: sinkspur

What a stupid statement you make. They may or may not love her - you have no way of knowing it. For example, scores of true crime cases have revealed what a difference there is between public and private actions, that the images people leave can be highly misleading.


72 posted on 05/08/2006 5:35:36 PM PDT by Jane Austen
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To: Howlin
You're saying they CHOOSE to live miserable lives?

I emphatically state that ALL human beings can choose to or choose not to engage in any number of activities during their lifetime including homosexual activities.

You are the one stating that choosing to engage in disordered homosexual activity would entail living a miserable life -I myself would term it self-destructive - a slow suicide...

73 posted on 05/08/2006 5:35:46 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: Jane Austen
What a stupid statement you make. They may or may not love her - you have no way of knowing it.

I know it. You seem to be the only one on this board who doesn't.

For example, scores of true crime cases have revealed what a difference there is between public and private actions, that the images people leave can be highly misleading.

Yeah, well, that's how criminals are.

You think the Cheney's have criminal personalities?

74 posted on 05/08/2006 5:38:38 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: Jane Austen

Mary and Dick were hunting and fishing and camping buddies. Is suspect they have a fast friendship that goes beyond love. And Dick just isn't into Bible thumping. He's a live and let live guy about these matters. I don't think he invests or expends much psychological energy regarding adult sexual activities.


75 posted on 05/08/2006 5:39:15 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Jane Austen

But that standard, we do not KNOW George & Laura loves Jen and Barbara.

I think your reasoning could use some fine tuning.


76 posted on 05/08/2006 5:41:31 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Torie

It's more than tough love; it's the utlimate political hypocrisy: calling one man's daughter a hedonist while neglecting to menion yours is one, too.


77 posted on 05/08/2006 5:42:24 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

whoops--loves should be love
I am my own grammar cop.


78 posted on 05/08/2006 5:42:40 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Howlin

Maybe he didn't know what his own had gone the way of the devil, when he commented about Mary. Didn't the Mary bashing come first? I am not sure daddy was paying much attention to his daughter.


79 posted on 05/08/2006 5:44:38 PM PDT by Torie
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To: sinkspur

And politicians, others also, not just the criminals element. Read some psychology, biographies, follow the news and you'll find plenty of other examples. Since you make little sense and just want to argue, I've no further interest to respond to you.


80 posted on 05/08/2006 5:44:44 PM PDT by Jane Austen
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To: Peach

Ditto your post Peach, sad but true.


81 posted on 05/08/2006 5:45:57 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Torie

It was not known at the time by the public; but he surely knew.


82 posted on 05/08/2006 5:46:11 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Torie

Or you could be right -- maybe he didn't.


83 posted on 05/08/2006 5:46:33 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

I am not sure that there was much communication there. He might not have.


84 posted on 05/08/2006 5:47:12 PM PDT by Torie
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To: GSWarrior
The media picks on this issue like a scab.

And gets away with it because she is the daughter of a republican!!! Imagine if she were from a liberal family!!!

85 posted on 05/08/2006 5:47:44 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Torie
Listen cowboy, I don't know if it is innate or not

That is good -an "I don't know" is better that a faithful claim that it is innate...

simply defies all anecdotal evidence

The anecdotal evidence of a separate human like species that procreates homosexually is supported by NO science...

86 posted on 05/08/2006 5:48:53 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: Howlin
He was really busy at home.. in Illinois.
87 posted on 05/08/2006 5:49:06 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Rex Anderson

Yeah.

I wonder if he still "lives" there.......LOL.


88 posted on 05/08/2006 5:49:54 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: DBeers

Just curious: and you certainly don't have to answer, but do you have children or grandchildren?


89 posted on 05/08/2006 5:50:24 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: DBeers
Child molesters can't stop either, lets legalize meth for everyone, hell lets just tell everbody that does bad things that bad things do not exist anymore, so go do your thing. I once heard in kali they were teaching children that they were like there on little gods, no matter what they did was right. I guess that it is okay until it harms others(but that is okay too). Sodom and Gomorrah forever right.
90 posted on 05/08/2006 5:50:37 PM PDT by catmanblack. (he is the great I AM-)
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To: Jane Austen
And politicians, others also, not just the criminals element. Read some psychology, biographies, follow the news and you'll find plenty of other examples. Since you make little sense and just want to argue, I've no further interest to respond to you.

You think the Cheney's have personalities akin to criminals and you think I don't make any sense?

91 posted on 05/08/2006 5:53:39 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: Torie; All
Ya, sure, whatever.

You may realize this but I should point it out for those may not... when somebody says:

There are no "gay" people,

It's important to keep the statement in context. He continued his statement with:

there are people (always heterosexual) who feel predisposed cause unknown to engage in homosexual activity and or people (always heterosexual) who actually choose to engage in homosexual activity.

what he probably means is there is no gay gene. There is no genetic test or procedure (experimental or otherwise) that can determine one's sexual orientation.

Some people experience same-sex attraction. From what ex-gays have stated, their same-sex attraction isn't a choice because they are confused about their sexuality, but their behavior is always a choice. An ex-gay on this forum stated:

overcoming homosexuality has less to do with how a man relates to women and much more to do with how a man relates to other men.
That's an important point to understand.

When somebody claims to be gay and we believe them, but we stop short of believe the ex-gay, what we're doing is using a double standard. The only available evidence is the claim of the gay or ex-gay, so people should ask themselves why they believe one but not the other.

92 posted on 05/08/2006 5:57:09 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Howlin
Just curious: and you certainly don't have to answer, but do you have children or grandchildren?

I am not taking any tangents...

93 posted on 05/08/2006 5:57:36 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: DBeers

Well, doesn't that work out well for you.


94 posted on 05/08/2006 6:05:12 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Do I need to read this thread, or can I pretty much assume the usual junk is on here, and go on to something else?


95 posted on 05/08/2006 6:07:25 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Miss Marple

Move along. ;-)


96 posted on 05/08/2006 6:09:59 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: scripter

When somebody claims to be ex-gay and we believe them, but we stop short of believe the gay, what we're doing is using a double standard.

The only available evidence is the claim of the gay or ex-gay, so people should ask themselves why they believe one but not the other.


97 posted on 05/08/2006 6:15:17 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: CheyennePress
If if I ever had a kid who killed someone, I don't think I could bring myself to be ashamed of him, though I'd grieve his poor decision-making.

Is this your idea of moral equivalence? Homosexuality is morally equivalent to killing someone or being a dictator?

98 posted on 05/08/2006 6:16:04 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: skandalon
From the article:

But what is it to be Mary Cheney inside her parents' Republican party — a party that opposes civil rights legislation protecting gays?

Clearly this statement is designed to elicit a particular reaction from the reader. It leaves the impression that those who practice homosexuality are "without protection" because of Republicans. This is not the case. I don't want the way a person chooses to have sex to be considered a trait alongside race or religion, and given special protection because of it.

But the Republican Party does not believe that homosexuals are undeserving of equal rights, or should not be protected under the law. Clearly this is not the case since homosexuals are in virtually every walk of life, earning lots of money and advancing in jobs.

99 posted on 05/08/2006 6:21:27 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Rex Anderson
Indeed. There is no genetic test or procedure (experimental or otherwise) that can determine one's sexual orientation.

Of course there's the Queer By Choice folks, who claim to make up 8% of the homosexual population.

100 posted on 05/08/2006 6:22:26 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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