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I'm more upset with Conservatives than I am with George W. Bush

Posted on 05/08/2006 7:04:26 PM PDT by mwfsu84

If I had told you on 9/11/2001 that we'd go four and half years and counting without another terrorist attack on US soil, would you have believed me?

If I had told you that US-led forces would secure Afghanistan in just a few months...something the Soviets couldn't accomplish in ten years...would you have thought I was crazy?

If I had told you that Saddam was gone, that Khadaffy had renounced terrorism, and that Iraq was on the verge of becoming the second democracy in the Middle East, would have thought I was on medication?

Sometimes in our disappointment of this administration, we often forget some of the positives. The economy is strong. More Americans are homeowners. With tax cuts, we're spending less time working for Uncle Sam.

And if you take those benefits for granted, just imagine how much different things would be under a President Al Gore.

So if the president's stance on immigration and spending upset you - and they do upset me - what are you going to do about it? Stay at home? Nothing could be worse for conservativism. Your non-support will usher in more immigrants, higher taxes, and weaker national security.

If the GOP loses Congress, George W. Bush will be removed from office. Nothing would embolden terrorists more. How can we be counted on to wage an effective war when we can't even decide who our enemy is?

George W. Bush isn't the enemy. But that's exactly the message conservatives will send to the world if they stay at home this November.

If you're upset with W. on immigration - write him, write a Republican Congressman, let him know how you feel. It was conservatives who got Bush to change his mind on Harriet Meirs.

I promise you, a Democratic Congress won't be nearly as responsive to your needs.


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KEYWORDS: notaweinerbot; notstuckonstupid; patronizing; reaganhaters
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1 posted on 05/08/2006 7:04:29 PM PDT by mwfsu84
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To: mwfsu84

Looks like you're fixin to get a whole lot angrier.


3 posted on 05/08/2006 7:07:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: mwfsu84

You need to grow up and place blame where blame belongs.


4 posted on 05/08/2006 7:07:16 PM PDT by DManA
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To: mwfsu84
It's about the Mexicans. At this point, al-Qaeda is secondary for these pygmies.

It's all about the Mexicans!!!

5 posted on 05/08/2006 7:07:42 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: mwfsu84
I promise you, a Democratic Congress won't be nearly as responsive to your needs.

I'm confident a Democratic congress will be just as responsive as the Republican congress has been.

6 posted on 05/08/2006 7:07:50 PM PDT by al_again
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To: Goldberry

You're on the list.


7 posted on 05/08/2006 7:08:33 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: mwfsu84

I will gladly vote for any conservative Republican candidate that respects the sanctity of life, the 2nd Amendment, and the security and sovereignty of our borders.

If they don't meet those requirements (and the likely Senate nominee in NJ, Tom Kean Jr., does not), I will probably stay home or vote Constitution Party.


8 posted on 05/08/2006 7:08:53 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: mwfsu84


The answer is not less Republicans in Congress, it is MORE!


9 posted on 05/08/2006 7:09:03 PM PDT by msnimje (Illegals to US CITIZENS .... "You Suck.......Now pass the mash potatoes!")
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To: mwfsu84
So if the president's stance on immigration and spending upset you - and they do upset me - what are you going to do about it? Stay at home? Nothing could be worse for conservativism. Your non-support will usher in more immigrants, higher taxes, and weaker national security.

If the GOP loses Congress, George W. Bush will be removed from office. Nothing would embolden terrorists more. How can we be counted on to wage an effective war when we can't even decide who our enemy is?

George W. Bush isn't the enemy. But that's exactly the message conservatives will send to the world if they stay at home this November.

Very well said and you have it exactly right - On the whole I truly believe the majority of the base is going to come together this Nov -

2008 primary will be the place to have the larger fight - We are currently in a war and we cannot allow the anti-military, anti-American, anti-sucess in the WOT democrats become a majority in Congress.

10 posted on 05/08/2006 7:09:08 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: al_again

I'm thinking this whole thread is destined for failure.


11 posted on 05/08/2006 7:09:18 PM PDT by bpjam (Now accepting liberal apologies.....)
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To: sinkspur
You're on the list.

What list is that???

12 posted on 05/08/2006 7:09:21 PM PDT by al_again
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To: Goldberry
Out of curiosity, who did you vote for? Have you heard of any changes in Bush's position between his 1st term and 2nd term?
13 posted on 05/08/2006 7:09:26 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: mwfsu84
But that's exactly the message conservatives will send to the world if they stay at home this November.

You're right. Staying home is stupid. I intend to vote third-party instead.

It was conservatives who got Bush to change his mind on Harriet Meirs.

And do you think he would have if he knew there was no chance of said conservatives bolting in '06?

14 posted on 05/08/2006 7:09:36 PM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: DManA

I'll know what to blame if the Dims get control of Congress and help prepare the way for Hilary in the White House.


15 posted on 05/08/2006 7:09:59 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: mwfsu84
I know how you feel!


16 posted on 05/08/2006 7:10:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: al_again

The list of Democrat supporters. You're on it, too.


17 posted on 05/08/2006 7:10:48 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: al_again

Conservatives are a slim majority in this country and democrats are cowards. I for one don't intend to sit around and cry if they take control. I intend to treat them the same way I treat RINOs. They might end up being more responsive.


18 posted on 05/08/2006 7:11:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: mwfsu84
If the GOP loses Congress, George W. Bush will be removed from office.

Politics isn't for the weakkneed or faint of heart.

Go cower somewhere else.

19 posted on 05/08/2006 7:11:30 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: inquest

Well. Perot was right about NAFTA. On the other hand, he gave us eight years of Bill Clinton. Choose your poison.


20 posted on 05/08/2006 7:12:14 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: inquest
Staying home is stupid. I intend to vote third-party instead.

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

21 posted on 05/08/2006 7:12:30 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Goldberry

Oh no, you haven't had enough.

When you get higher taxes, immediate withdrawal from Iraq, subordination to the UN, presidential impeachment over bogus charges, weaking of the laws that have helped capture terrorists...PLUS more liberal immigration laws...then maybe you'll have had enough.

But by then it'll be too late.


22 posted on 05/08/2006 7:12:53 PM PDT by mwfsu84
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To: mwfsu84
If you're upset with W. on immigration - write him, write a Republican Congressman, let him know how you feel. It was conservatives who got Bush to change his mind on Harriet Meirs.

I promise you, a Democratic Congress won't be nearly as responsive to your needs.

What's the point of writing to people who are just going to respond with some sappy patronizing spin-filled letter without changing their policies? That's not called "being responsive." That's called patronizing you and trying to keep your vote while betraying Republican principles.

Medicare prescription drug benefit? Growing deficits? Pork-filled bills? No ANWR oil drilling? No Social Security reform? No immigration bill? No border security? More bureaucracy?

I think the Democratic Congress can be just as "responsive" as that. Except maybe Bush would have the guts to veto them, which he clearly doesn't with respect to "Republican" leadership.

I used to defend the President and this party at all costs, but it's becoming increasingly more difficult to do. And that's their own fault.

23 posted on 05/08/2006 7:12:56 PM PDT by SunnyD1182
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To: al_again

No, the senate is to blame along with the White House. The House has delivered much more when it comes to fiscal conservatism and their immigration bill is fantastic. Republican voters have learned a valuable lesson.....NEVER ELECT A COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVE TO DO A CONSERVATIVE'S JOB.


24 posted on 05/08/2006 7:13:09 PM PDT by Kuja
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To: mwfsu84

You are exactly right. My guess is that 1/3 of these "Conservatives" are Seminar posters.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


25 posted on 05/08/2006 7:13:36 PM PDT by bray (The only thing lower than Bush' numbers are the press')
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To: nj26
If they don't meet those requirements (and the likely Senate nominee in NJ, Tom Kean Jr., does not), I will probably stay home or vote Constitution Party.

And I hope you sleep well at night knowing the knife you will have stuck in the back of every U.S. solider fighting in the current war.

Because that is exactly what you will be doing by allowing your personal narrow politics to override the reality of putting the anti-military, anti-American, anti-WOT democrats into a majority.

There are times (plenty of times) when it is fine to walk away from one's party over a conflict regarding one's personal politics....this is clearly not one of those times.

It is time to cowboy the F up and stand shoulder to shoulder with this CIC while he leads our soldiers in this war. Come hell or high water.

08 is the time to take your personal political fight to the primaries.

26 posted on 05/08/2006 7:13:38 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: mwfsu84
So if the president's stance on immigration and spending upset you - and they do upset me - what are you going to do about it? Stay at home? Nothing could be worse for conservativism. Your non-support will usher in more immigrants, higher taxes, and weaker national security.

Nonsense. Taking votes away from the GOP is the only way to incentivize it to move rightward, in order to regain our votes. If the GOP knows they'll get conservative votes no matter what, then it is only incentivized to move leftward in an effort to get 'centrist' votes.

If the GOP loses Congress, George W. Bush will be removed from office.

Also nonsense.

27 posted on 05/08/2006 7:13:41 PM PDT by Sloth (Archaeologists test for intelligent design all the time.)
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To: DManA

You need to grow up and figure out how the world works.
You want to cut your nose off to spite your face?


28 posted on 05/08/2006 7:13:44 PM PDT by mwfsu84
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To: mwfsu84
I remember Sam Kinison the late preacher turned comedian used to do a skit about the starving in Africa, in which he shouted "move where the FOOD is!! Arrhhhh!".

I think if he were here today, he'd shout: "Move where there are no mexicans and stop your bitchin'! Arghh!!!".

29 posted on 05/08/2006 7:14:16 PM PDT by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: RobbyS
And when he did, it resulted in the Republicans taking control of Congress for the first time in over a generation. It's really the Republicans that need to choose. Do they want to stay in power or don't they?
30 posted on 05/08/2006 7:14:28 PM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: hole_n_one

And can you take years in the wilderness while the Dims spit on everything you believe in? Yep, we got rid of Nixon in 1974 and only by good fortune did we get Ronald Reagan into ther White House. That good fortune was the total ineptitude of Jimmy Carter.


31 posted on 05/08/2006 7:14:46 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: sinkspur
The list of Democrat supporters. You're on it, too.

Sink - I know where your coming from but you really need to take the blinders off. The conservative base is in full scale revolt at the ineptitude of our Republican leaders. We are determined to hold them accountable and bring forward a new group of CONSERVATIVE Republicans.

This has nothing to do with supporting Democrats. It has everything to do with holding our elected officials accountable.

32 posted on 05/08/2006 7:14:50 PM PDT by al_again
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To: SunnyD1182
Medicare prescription drug benefit? Growing deficits? Pork-filled bills? No ANWR oil drilling? No Social Security reform? No immigration bill? No border security? More bureaucracy?

The answer isn't to put anti-American, anti-soldier democrats in office....it is to put more conservative republicans in office.

33 posted on 05/08/2006 7:14:50 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: sinkspur

There's a list?


34 posted on 05/08/2006 7:15:11 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2006, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: mwfsu84

I am just as angry with Bush as anyone. But, I will be danged if I am going to stay home and see a bunch of 'rats get elected.


35 posted on 05/08/2006 7:15:35 PM PDT by bilhosty
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To: al_again; sinkspur
What list is that???

The Great Sinkspur Enemies list. I think his middle name is Milhous.

36 posted on 05/08/2006 7:16:03 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Free Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: al_again
This has nothing to do with supporting Democrats. It has everything to do with holding our elected officials accountable.

BS! Read post #26 (it goes for you as well).

37 posted on 05/08/2006 7:16:11 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: mwfsu84
I'm more upset with Conservatives than I am with George W. Bush

Well, that makes sense. I realized after his Amnesty and after the steel subsidies and the increase in the size of the Government that there is no reason for anyone to expect GWB to be any kind of Conserative.

38 posted on 05/08/2006 7:16:16 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Any guest worker program that does not require application from the home country is Amnesty.)
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To: Dog Gone
Thank you for showing how threatened you are by the idea.

No, don't bother trying to deny it. Your own post proves it.

39 posted on 05/08/2006 7:16:20 PM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: al_again

Like which leaders? They probably will disappoint you as well.


40 posted on 05/08/2006 7:16:32 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: al_again
What list is that???

Watch it. You'll end up on the "double dog dare you" list.

41 posted on 05/08/2006 7:16:38 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: mwfsu84

You have a point , but I'm sick of the "vote republican because as bad as we are the dems are worse" approach. I think if people stay home its more out of frustration than anything else. I mean if you have the house , senate and presidency and you still cringe whenever Dean or Kennedy or McCain for that matter bash your ideas (when they have nothing) then what good are you. Here we have people in the country illegally, openly disgracing our flag and basically telling us "screw you we know you haven't the guts to deport us", and the republicans are sitting around debating how they can pass amnesty without calling it amnesty. < /rant >


42 posted on 05/08/2006 7:16:41 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: mwfsu84
They know we are angry...The ball is in THIER court, lets see what they do with it. We have a right to complain. They have an obligation to EARN our vote.

I think it is better to DEMAND true representation of their elected officials rather than criticize others because they are not eagerly rushing to pick the giant douche over the turd sandwich.

43 posted on 05/08/2006 7:17:08 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (History is not written by those who win wars, but by those who win the war for the History Dept.)
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To: mwfsu84
As far as Bush on foreign policy goes he has been superb... Until Iran. If Iran does not represent a need for Preemption then what does? Iran is far more of a threat to us and a mortal one to Israel then Saddam was, and we dealt with him swiftly, but now with Iran we are going to let the Europeans deal with it. We have 130,000 Veteran Troops in Iraq and another 10,000 or so in Afghanistan and a butt load of equipment and logistics in theater so whats with the pussy footing?
44 posted on 05/08/2006 7:17:12 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by there fruity little club.)
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To: mwfsu84
If six years ago I told you they would expand the size of the Federal government by 50% would you believe me?
If you told me they would no nothing in regards to entitlements, tax reform, tort reform, vouchers...not to mention the borders...

Would you believe that?
45 posted on 05/08/2006 7:17:13 PM PDT by Blackirish (BORDERS!!! BORDERS!!!!! YIIEEEEE!!!! Now can we get back on topic?)
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To: mwfsu84
Nicely said........especially the fact that we haven't had another attack....which by the way is the MAIN reason for Bush's unpopularity!!

Think about it!! The 10 second attention span types and the 60 minute solve the problems of the world types have already forgotten. In fact they now believe it was a fluke and won't ever happen again!!!

Thant being said you won't get through to the nattering nabobs of negativism that are growing ever more prevalent on FR.

46 posted on 05/08/2006 7:17:31 PM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: mwfsu84

If the president is concerned about being removed from office he should stop sucking up to special interest groups and do the right thing.We are only asking him to do what's in the best interest of the country.Why does he have a problem doing something he's supposed to do?I don't think we are being unreasonable for wanting secure borders and a sound immigration policy.


47 posted on 05/08/2006 7:17:31 PM PDT by rdcorso (There Is No Such Thing As A Neutral Person During A War With Radical Islam.)
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To: mwfsu84

Folks, if the Democrats win the Congress this year, you ain't seen nothing yet. It will be a flyinp $hit storm for the next two to six years.


48 posted on 05/08/2006 7:18:02 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: mwfsu84
The Red Meat, All of Nothing, single issue fanatics can drive every movement into the ground. The left wing "MoveOne fanatics have captured the Democrat Party and removed them from the realm of sanity.

The question is, can fanatics destroy the Republicans as well?

49 posted on 05/08/2006 7:18:07 PM PDT by Ditto (People who fail to secure jobs as fence posts go into journalism.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
There's a list?

There is. And he's checking it twice!


50 posted on 05/08/2006 7:18:11 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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