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Letter From Newfoundland: Homing In On The Red Paint People
Archaeology Magazine ^ | 6-2000 | Angela M.H. Schuster

Posted on 05/09/2006 5:10:45 PM PDT by blam

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I'm going to start some research on the Red Paint People and I will use this thread/article as a starting point. Anyone that knows anything or can add anything are encouraged to do so.

I will begin posting other articles from the net on this thread.

I've just ordered a new book due out in June, 2006 titled: Red Paint People - A Lost American Culture, by Bruce Bourque.

Some say the Red Paint People can be dated in the Americas to 7-10,000 years ago and evidence of their culture have been found in Norway and some say all the way to France.

1 posted on 05/09/2006 5:10:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.


2 posted on 05/09/2006 5:13:13 PM PDT by blam
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A) I think they're off by up to 7500 years (too young)

B) What they're looking for is not on land, but in water up to 100M deep. Only the very last of the "red paint" people would have moved that far inland as the climate warmed, and the seas rose up to their modern levels.

3 posted on 05/09/2006 5:17:05 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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Good point, but that close to the Laurentide ice sheet would have seen some rising after it melted.


4 posted on 05/09/2006 5:21:31 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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"Good point, but that close to the Laurentide ice sheet would have seen some (land) rising after it melted."

Good point...it's still rising too.

5 posted on 05/09/2006 5:23:39 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Beautiful country up there.

My aunt lives in the Codroy Valley, I went up to visit in 1997 and to do some fly fishing for Atlantics.

Friendliest people I've ever met.
6 posted on 05/09/2006 5:27:50 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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...who hunted and fished the coasts of Labrador and Newfoundland for more than 2,000 years.

Lucky! I'm lucky if I can hunt and fish for a weekend!

7 posted on 05/09/2006 5:29:18 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (optional, printed after your name on post)
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Theory Of Origins

Although modern scholars no longer believe in the diffusion theory it was once thought that the Red Paint people traveled across the Northern Hemisphere from Europe to North America.
The diffusion theory was based on similarities between the Red Paint people's stone tool technology, houses, and ritualistic burial habits that included the use of red ocher. Red ocher is common in many geographic regions, and is commonly used in many prehistoric cultures. The stone technology and similar geometric designs of dots and lines that appear on the stone tools of both the North American Red Paint culture and on the tools of European prehistoric cultures could have developed independently of each other.

As scientific methods improved, over the years, it has been determined from studying the burials and skeletons of the Red Paint people that they are in fact Native Americans.

8 posted on 05/09/2006 5:33:27 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Got any lithics?
9 posted on 05/09/2006 5:37:22 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: blam

What a sad chunk of pandering that is...


10 posted on 05/09/2006 5:45:37 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Little Bill
Red Paint People

By Brian Robinson
University of Maine

The so-called "Red Paint People" of nearby Maine provided one of New England's earliest archeological controversies. Evidence of the Red Paint People was found throughout the nineteenth century as groups of stone artifacts (for example, gouges or woodworking tools, fishing plummets, flaked stone knives and spearheads of ground slate) in deposits of bright red ocher (iron oxide powder). The first detailed excavations were conducted by Charles Willougby in 1892, for the Peabody Museum of Harvard University and his 1899 account remains a model of archeological reporting. Later work by Warren K. Moorehead (n.s. Peabody Museum, Andover, MA) from about 1912-1920 brought wider attention to the "Red Paint People" as well as controversy surrounding their identity.

Early Controversy

The controversy surrounding the age and identity of the people originated with the character of red ocher deposits. Although they were generally considered to be graves, they were apparently so old that no bones were preserved and some of the stone artifacts were even badly decayed. This led Moorehead to declare in the pages of the preimmenent journal, American Anthropology:

"It is our conviction that the graves represent an ancient and exceedingly primitive culture, totally diffferent from that of the later Algonquin tribes" (Moorehead 1913).

The proposal of a "new" ancient culture could not go unchallenged and the challenge came in 1914 from none other than David T. Bushnell of the Smithsonian Institution, who suggested that the Red Paint People may indeed be quite recent. This controversy occured long before the radiocarbon dating (carbon 14) techniques had been invented, and with so many controversies, that of the Red Paint People faded away with new information. Moorehead was correct that the graves were quite ancient, usually dating between 2,000 to 6,000 years ago, but with rocks going as far back as 6,000 years. Bushnell's concern was not unfounded, however, as the Smithsonian was at the time waging a battle against other "Satanic" interpretations of Native American archeology, most notably the theory that the Mound Builders of Midwestern United States were an ancient race of people, perhaps one of the seven tribes of Isreal, that came before the Indian cultures of North America.

Modern Theory

Archeology has come a long way since the turn of the century and presumably has a long way to go, if reserach can keep pace with all the agents of destruction, both natural and man made. The "Red Paint People" were initially only recognized from their cemetery sites and these are now more commonly referred to as the "Moorehead burial tradition" in archeological journal. Recent research, conducted by the Maine State Museum and various campuses of the University of Maine has foucused on the occupation sites or living areas of the people and their maritime hunting and fishing culture. The regular hunting of swordfish in the Gulf of Maine provides an example of their hunting and boating skills.

Ironically, some of the old "Mysteries of the Red Paint People" persist but for different reasons. One of the early theories explaining their disappearance called upon the then recent (1930) evidence that the coast of Maine was subsiding below the ocean. This geological evidence was expanded upon with the suggestion that the ocean side habitation areas of the people may have succumbed to tidal waves that resulted from violent earthquakes that caused the land to sink. While such catastrophes did not likely wipe the people out, the slow rise of the sea level is methodically destroying the coastal occupation sites and thus our ability to learn about them. Relatively few such sites remain after 4,000-5,000 years, and the few that have been excavated, such as the Turner Farm site in Penobscot Bay (Bruce Bourque 1995), contain precious glimpses of what was once a typical lifestyle of the area.

Photo courtesy NH Div of Historical Resources.

©1997 SeacoastNH.com. All rights reserved.

11 posted on 05/09/2006 5:48:42 PM PDT by blam
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America BC And Even Earlier

The thought that the Atlantic might have been a thoroughfare long before Columbus and the Vikings has been ridiculed by most archeologists for decades. New England megaliths and B. Fell's translations of purported Celtic ogham inscriptions have met only with derision in the professional literature. But times are changing -- at least we hope so.

The Red Paint People.

Public TV recently aired a program on North America's Red Paint People, so-called because they added brilliant red iron oxide to their graves. It also seems they knew how to sail the deep ocean, as G.F. Carter now relates.

"Decades ago, Gutorn Gjessing pointed out that the identical [Red Paint] culture was found in Norway. No one paid much attention to that, but more recent carbon-14 dating has shown that the identical cultures had identical dates, and people began to pay more attention. It is now admitted that this is a high latitude culture that obviously sailed the stormy north Atlantic and stretched from northwest Europe over to America. It seemingly extends from along the Atlantic coast of Europe to America and in America from the high latitudes of Labrador down into New York state.

"The dates are mind-boggling: 7,000 years ago both in Europe and America. That is 2,000 years earlier than the Great Pyramids of Egypt. It is at least 4,000 years earlier than the Mound Builders of the Ohio Valley. The evidence is cummulative, varied in nature, and most probably highly reliable."

(Carter, George F.; "Before Columbus," Ellsworth American, November 23, 1990. Cr. R. Strong.)

Sketch from Kadath showing how the setting sun, at the summer solstice, lines up with two ancient standing stones and a cairn in western Massachusetts.

The New England Megaliths. The Public TV documentary also provided a glimpse of some of the domens, menhirs, and passage graves sprinkled throughout New England. Long scoffed at as merely the work of Colonial farmers, some of these structures yield radiocarbon dates 3000-4000 B.P. This sort of proscribed data is to be found only in the journals of "shadow archeology."

But now European archeologists are beginning to look at these structures. In 1990, the Belgian journal Kadath devoted an entire issue to the subject.
This issue comprises 54 pages filled with many photos and drawings of walls, cairns, dolmens, and possible astronom ical sites. We reproduce one of these drawings here, but wish we could provide an English translation of the entire issue.

(Anonymous; "Megalithes d'Amerique du Nord," Kadath, no. 72, Spring 1990.)

North American Epigraphy. According to the editor of the Review of Archaeology, D.H. Kelley is "an epigrapher of considerable reputation." And what is the subject of this respected journal and reputable epigrapher? B. Fell's work on North American inscriptions!

Kelley is concerned by the strange lack of supporting archeological evidence at the inscription sites, but as the following quotation demonstrates, he dares to admit an ancient Celtic presence in North America.

"I have no personal doubts that some of the inscriptions which have been reported are genuine Celtic ogham. Despite my occasional harsh criticism of Fell's treatment of individual inscriptions, it should be recognized that without Fell's work there would be no ogham problem to perplex us. We need to ask not only what Fell has done wrong in his epigraphy, but also where we have gone wrong as archaeologists in not recognizing such an extensive European presence in the New World."

(Kelley, David H.; "Proto-Tifinagh and Proto-Ogham in the Americas," Review of Archaeology, 11:1, 1990.)

12 posted on 05/09/2006 6:02:48 PM PDT by blam
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"Some say the Red Paint People can be dated in the Americas to 7-10,000 years ago and evidence of their culture have been found in Norway and some say all the way to France."

The original does not provide hints;
should we take it that these were not of Oriental or "Amerind" type?

13 posted on 05/09/2006 6:14:30 PM PDT by norton
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To: blam
"As scientific methods improved, over the years, it has been determined from studying the burials and skeletons of the Red Paint people that they are in fact Native Americans."

Unintended sarcasm?

14 posted on 05/09/2006 6:16:41 PM PDT by norton
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To: blam
Early America

Lots of 'stuff' here, too much to post. Many pictures too.

15 posted on 05/09/2006 6:17:04 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Save for later Bump.


16 posted on 05/09/2006 6:20:04 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Join me! Every night I pray for Global Warming . (And I think it's beginning to work.))
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To: norton
"...should we take it that these were not of Oriental or "Amerind" type?"

Some have suggested that. I don't know. If you've read all the above, you know as much as me.

17 posted on 05/09/2006 6:21:03 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Interesting post. If they came by sea from Northern Europe (from east to west), it would be interesting to know the paleoclimatology about 10,000 years ago to see if it was feasible to run before the wind for most of the trip.
Atmospheric pressure gradients would also give an indication of the actual wind speeds.

I read quite some time ago that a wooden small boat was found on the northeastern northern coast of Greenland that had drifted there. The small boat was estimated to be at least 1,000 years old. The mystery is how it managed to make the voyage there.
18 posted on 05/09/2006 6:33:20 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: blam
Maratime Archaic Indians

The Maritime Archaic Indians arrived in Newfoundland 5,000 years ago from Labrador. They crossed the Strait of Belle Isle from Labrador where the earliest sites date to around 9,000 years before present (B.P.).
A well-known burial of a 12-year-old child at L'Anse Amour dates to 7500 B.P. This culture is believed to be descended from the Paleo Indians who crossed the Bering land bridge between Siberia and Alaska at the tail end of the last Ice Age, approximately 14,000 years ago. Some evidence suggests that they might have crossed as early as 25,000 B.P.

This culture, formerly referred to as the Moorehead Burial Complex or Red Paint People, occupied the coastal regions of Maine, the Maritime provinces, Labrador and the Island of Newfoundland, its most northerly point. Little was known about this culture until 1967 when Mr. Theodore Farwell of Port au Choix uncovered a cemetery while bulldozing a basement for a theatre.
The excellent preservation of bone allowed Dr. Jim Tuck and his associates to do a comprehensive study of the 117 skeletons and burial goods. This work is still going on today, providing greater insight into the way of life of these people. Dr. Jim Tuck renamed these people the Maritime Archaic Tradition because of their marine adaptation.

Continue to Explore the

Maritime Archaic Culture

Follow the Links

19 posted on 05/09/2006 6:34:15 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
A short break:

Why Are Barns Usually Painted Red?

20 posted on 05/09/2006 6:55:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
"I read quite some time ago that a wooden small boat was found on the northeastern northern coast of Greenland that had drifted there. The small boat was estimated to be at least 1,000 years old. The mystery is how it managed to make the voyage there."

I thought there were Viking settlements on Greenland at that time. Am I wrong?

21 posted on 05/09/2006 7:24:38 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I guess this is where I come in.
There was a new colony in Greenland, and they got over here to Newfoundland in 986 AD, but lines of communication with back home were becoming thinner: the Normans (Gauls and Vikings) had recently (911 AD) been given Normandy. The Viking lifestyle began to look old.
Newfoundland and Labrador between 986 and 1030 AD

The Beothuk of Newfoundland

It's been about 4 years since you (blam) and I have exchanged notes. I've enjoyed looking in on many days, here and there.
22 posted on 05/09/2006 9:46:21 PM PDT by Boreas (Character is destiny)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Thanks Blam. I've got a little stuff on the hard drive, but it's probably a bit elderly.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the
"Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list or GGG weekly digest
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23 posted on 05/09/2006 10:00:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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The Mystery of the Lost Red Paint People The Discovery of a Prehistoric North American Sea Culture Advanced seafaring culture lived in New England 7000 years ago. 59 minutes Color Grade Level: 9-12, College, Adult US Release Date: 1987 Copyright Date: 1987 ISBN (VHS): 1-56029-235-0 Directed by T.W. Timreck and William Goetzmann

The Mystery of the Lost Red Paint People The Discovery of a Prehistoric North American Sea Culture Advanced seafaring culture lived in New England 7000 years ago. 59 minutes Color Grade Level: 9-12, College, Adult US Release Date: 1987 Copyright Date: 1987 ISBN (VHS): 1-56029-235-0 Directed by T.W. Timreck and William Goetzmann

24 posted on 05/09/2006 10:06:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

Oh, one of the files is what you've just started the topic with, so I'm out. ;')


25 posted on 05/09/2006 10:08:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
As scientific methods improved, over the years, it has been determined from studying the burials and skeletons of the Red Paint people that they are in fact Native Americans.
In fact, until the late 1980s, there were no skeletons of the Maritime Archaic people, and diagnostically, the tools of their era found across the Arctic are basically identical. IOW, I agree with whomever it was -- pandering.
26 posted on 05/09/2006 10:11:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

That was kinda cool.


27 posted on 05/09/2006 10:20:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
Gutorn Gjessing:
Google

28 posted on 05/09/2006 10:22:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Gutorn Gjessing (book search):
Google

29 posted on 05/09/2006 10:23:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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The Origin of Culture and Civilization: The Cosmological Philosophy of the Ancient Worldview Regarding Myth, Astrology, Science, and Religion The Origin of Culture and Civilization:
The Cosmological Philosophy
of the Ancient Worldview Regarding
Myth, Astrology, Science, and Religion

by Thomas Dietrich
(p 344)


30 posted on 05/09/2006 10:27:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
"If you've read all the above, you know as much as me."

Glad to be confused in good company.
Reads like we're not alone.

31 posted on 05/09/2006 11:46:19 PM PDT by norton
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To: SunkenCiv; Boreas; norton; Coyoteman
If you take this Journey Of Mankind developed from the DNA studies of Stephen Oppenheimer, near the end, he shows a group of people entering the NE US at Meadowcroft 25,000 years ago and then becoming exiled (isolated) during the subsequent Last Glacial Maximum(LGM), 18-23,000 years ago.
Now, if you believe that the oldest (undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton ever found is only 10,000 years old as Oppenheimer claims, then the people who arrived at Meadowcroft were not 'Native Americans' as defined today.

My suspicion is that they were (more or less) of the Ainu (Kennewick Man) body style (racial group) and may be the source of the halpogroup-X (some call it the European 'gene') shared only by some of today's American Indians and Europeans.
Most of the oldest skeletons (not exclusively) being found in the Americas are of the long narrow type associated with Kennewick Man. And, Oppenheimer say that the Obajiwe(sp) Indians of the NE US have the highest precent (25) of the 'X-gene' than all other Indians in the US.

So, might these people of the NE US, the Red Paint People and others (reported to be tall and lighter skinned) be remnants of this group from 25,000 years ago?

32 posted on 05/10/2006 7:08:03 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
An then, we have this group living happily on the SE coast of Florida 8,000 years ago.

Bye, Bye Beringa (8,000 Year Old Site In Florida)

The original DNA samples that were taken from this group and declared to be 'European' were found to have been contaminated with modern DNA. Not much news coming out of the Windover site in Florida. So...

33 posted on 05/10/2006 7:16:33 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I am still studying this stuff. Its complex, and there is so far little information available.

Will get back to you when I know more.

34 posted on 05/10/2006 8:17:15 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: blam

The best episode of Nova I ever saw was on the Red Paint People. I taped it once when it was rerun. If you haven't seen it, you should endeavor to locate a copy of the show. You might be able to go to www.pbs.org/nova and look up the red paint people. The show links the Red Paint People to the monolith-builders of ancient Europe. Apparently, there was a circum-Atlantic culture that ranged from Malta to Atlantic Canada, and contact between Neolithic Europeans and Neolithic Indians.


35 posted on 05/10/2006 2:52:02 PM PDT by Renfield (If Gene Tracy was the entertainment at your senior prom, YOU might be a redneck...)
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This one? (19 years ago)

Secrets of the Lost Red Paint People

NOVA follows archaeologists as they unearth clues, some 7,000 years old, about an unknown, mysterious and advanced sea-faring people who lived along the North Atlantic coast of the United States and Canada.

Original broadcast date: 12/15/87
Topic: anthropology/ancient

36 posted on 05/10/2006 3:52:24 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
It makes good sense. I'll be interested in what you find in Dr. Bourque's upcoming book, to be published next month I see. Surely they'll eventually send you a copy.
I'm sure you know that the boy who was buried at L'Anse Amour, Labrador, was buried face down with a slab of rock on his back. That's very rare for a ceremonial burial. That, in itself, tells you something. I heard once that it's one of only two known 'face down' ceremonial burial examples (the other example wasn't detailed).
L'Anse Amour

37 posted on 05/10/2006 7:35:27 PM PDT by Boreas (Character is destiny)
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To: Boreas
"Surely they'll eventually send you a copy. "

I don't know. I've ordered it from two different book people before Christmas only to have the order cancelled by both. Now, I notice that June is a new release date, so, maybe.

38 posted on 05/10/2006 8:16:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: Boreas
Thanks. I'll post that addition:

L'Anse Amour Burial Mound

Overlooking the nearby community of L'Anse Amour, the Labrador Straits Museum is just a few kilometres away from an important archaeological find dating to 7, 500 years ago.

The earliest known ceremonial burial in North America took place at this site. A Maritime Archaic Indian adolescent was buried there in a significant ceremonial manner. The body was wrapped and placed face down in a deep, wide pit. Fires were lit around the body, food was cooked in its presence and offerings of weapons and tools were placed in the grave. A large flat stone rested on the lower back. A large mound of rocks was placed over the grave to complete the ceremony. The manner in which this youth was buried some 7,500 years ago suggests that he/she had an important role or association within the tribe, or that his/her death had a special significance.

A plaque outlining the importance of this National Historic Site is displayed next to the mound near the community of L'Anse Amour. Just a few minutes away, the Labrador Straits Museum has an exhibit that highlights details of the site and displays reproductions of objects found during the excavation.

39 posted on 05/10/2006 8:24:06 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Yep. Best TV program I ever saw.


40 posted on 05/11/2006 3:20:06 AM PDT by Renfield (If Gene Tracy was the entertainment at your senior prom, YOU might be a redneck...)
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To: norton

They were definitely native Americans. Every one of the graves discovered was surely that of someone born in America.


41 posted on 05/11/2006 5:20:28 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero

Enjoyed your home page.


42 posted on 05/11/2006 6:16:07 AM PDT by norton
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To: Boreas; Renfield; SunkenCiv
Here's an easy explanation for who were the Red Paint People and where they were from.

Archaeologist Says Va. Bolsters Claim On How People Got To America. (Solutrean)

"The Smithsonian archaeologist pursuing the contentious claim that ancient Europeans fleeing the Ice Age settled in America says artifacts unearthed in the Chesapeake Bay region support his theory."

43 posted on 05/11/2006 6:18:53 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I don't know. I've ordered it from two different book people before Christmas

When I was in Montreal (over 3 months) last year, I enquired 3 different times about a book that was 'published,' but not in stock, and not able to be ordered. Kind of funny I thought. 2 of the staffers couldn't explain it, but I eventually found an old woman staffer who told me that perhaps the publisher wouldn't let it go because of legal concerns, or perhaps the author wanted to make a few changes. That implied the book hadn't been printed. She shrugged and mumbled something about the book business these days. It didn't seem odd to her. I was in Montreal again in January, and the book was available, but I passed. I'll look for it again one day.
44 posted on 05/11/2006 4:59:58 PM PDT by Boreas (Character is destiny)
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To: blam
Here's an easy explanation for who were the Red Paint People and where they were from

I saw that program on satellite TV again last night. Seems quite plausible to me. Heavy ice doesn't stop you, it just slows you down, and makes you change your direction. It also dampens the seas, and dries the air. In many ways, it may have made travel easier. In 1985, here in Newfoundland, we were completely surrounded by heavy ice for months. I flew from Newfoundland to Nova Scotia, and there was no open water in the Gulf of St. Lawerence (unusual). Later in the spring, after the ice had melted, the first ever coyotes were noted on the island of Newfoundland. They had crossed from Nova Scotia on the ice (minimum 100 miles). Looks like they are here for good, tearing up the new-born caribou, moose, etc.
45 posted on 05/11/2006 5:16:45 PM PDT by Boreas (Character is destiny)
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To: Boreas
"They had crossed from Nova Scotia on the ice (minimum 100 miles). Looks like they are here for good, tearing up the new-born caribou, moose, etc."

Think the Caribou will survive?

We made a stop in Halifax once in the early 60's. We had been out in the North Atlantic (submarines) pretending to be a Soviet attacking force. When we would surface and I was the look-out, that was the coldest I've ever been...and, some of the roughest seas too.

46 posted on 05/12/2006 8:22:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Think the Caribou will survive?

They should survive. They survived wolves until wolves became extinct here (on the island) in the early 1930s. Moose were introduced to Newfoundland in 1904 from New Brunswick, and they also survived wolves. Hunters can now kill coyotes when they are hunting caribou, moose, etc. Coyotes are not wolves of course. When coyote populations are low they produce more and more live offspring per female. When populations are high, they produce fewer live offspring. What caribou and moose do vis-a-vis coyotes isn't known here yet, but Wildlife has said it doesn't look disasterous.

...surface and I was the look-out, that was the coldest I've ever been...and, some of the roughest seas too.

I think about those cool seas out there when I see hurricanes down your way. If they head our way, I watch them decrease in strength and breath a sign of relief as they approach us. Just the same, after watching Katrina last year, and reading your posts, I got up in the attic and screwed 33 cross-beams/collar beams to the roof rafters. House is quieter now, as well as stronger.
It never gets really cold here. Most winter days are just below freezing. I have English Oak and Garry Oak (Google that one) growing the back yard. Of course I have Siberian Fir and Siberian Spruce growing too.
This afternoon it was 60F and sunny. I stopped in on a friend, and he was on his lawn mower, making the first cut of the season. I hear you chuckling.
47 posted on 05/13/2006 3:37:42 PM PDT by Boreas (Character is destiny)
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48 posted on 05/26/2008 10:28:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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49 posted on 11/24/2009 5:22:54 PM PST by Boreas (Character is destiny)
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Regarding the photograph.
All I can say is that is the most frightening
approach to a green I have ever seen.
If that’s 18 I wouldn’t want to see the others.


50 posted on 11/24/2009 5:29:34 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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