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U.S. ALERTING MEXICO TO MINUTEMAN PATROLS
WorldNetDaily ^ | 09 May A.D.2006 | Editors

Posted on 05/09/2006 5:18:15 PM PDT by Robert Drobot

INVASION USA
U.S. alerting Mexico to Minuteman patrols
'Unbelievable that our own government....
is sending intelligence to another country'

Posted: May 9, 2006
11:37 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

The U.S. Border Patrol is tipping off Mexican authorities on the positions of members of the Minuteman civilian patrols.

U.S. officials have agreed to the notification process to reassure the Mexican government that the illegal immigrants' rights are being observed, the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario, Calif., reports.

When the Minuteman and other civilian border patrol groups help apprehend illegal immigrants, the Mexican government must be notified, according to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations website.

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed to the Daily Bulletin the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure.

"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said.

"This ... simply makes two basic statements – that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."

But angered Minuteman members say the reporting virtually nullifies their effectiveness and could endanger lives.

"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, told the Ontario paper.

"It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country," he said. "They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.

"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."

Martinez said any illegal alien apprehended has the right to request counsel.

"We have to give their counsel the information about their apprehension, and that includes where they are apprehended, whether a Minuteman volunteer spotted them or a citizen," he said.

The spokesman said by entering into the cooperative agreement, the Border Patrol hoped to change Mexico's perception of the group as vigilantes.

One of the documents on the website, "Actions of the Mexican Government in Relation to the Activities of Vigilante Groups," describes a meeting with San Diego Border Patrol sector chief Darryl Griffen.

According to the document, Griffen "said that the Border Patrol will not permit any violence or any actions contrary to the law by the groups, and he is continuously aware of (the volunteer organizations') operations."

The document continues: "Mr. Griffen reiterated to the undersecretary his promise to notify the General Consul right away when the vigilantes detain or participate in the detention of any undocumented Mexicans."

The documents name the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and the Chino, Calif.-based Friends of the Border Patrol.

TJ Bonner, president of the 10,000-member union National Border Patrol Council, told the Daily Bulletin his member agents have complained for years about the Mexican government "unduly influencing our enforcement policies."

"That's not a legitimate role for any foreign nation," he said.

The Minuteman weblog said the Daily Bulletin's story "does not report information told to the [Minuteman] media offices that the Border Patrol chiefs have also been passing along intelligence reports to the government of Mexico on the activities of Minutemen not only at the borders, but in locations such as Utah, Nevada, Illinois, Massachusetts and Tennessee."

The weblog said one report contained estimated chapter membership numbers of Minutemen in Illinois and a statement on activities. The report noted the group didn't seem to know any politicians there, indicating the Illinois Minutemen had not acquired political clout.

The Minuteman blog commented: "That is not a report on the location of Minutemen at the border, but political intelligence from our government to a foreign nation about the activities of American citizens petitioning our own government for redress of grievances."

Border agents interviewed by the paper said they have been asked to report the location of all civilian patrols to sector headquarters. But they are not to file the groups' names in reports if they spot illegal immigrants.


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"Last year an internal memo notified all agents not to give credit to Minuteman volunteers or others who call in sightings of illegal aliens," said an agent who spoke to the Daily Bulletin on condition he not be identified. "We were told to list it as a citizen call and leave it at that. Many times, we were told not to go out to Minuteman calls."
1 posted on 05/09/2006 5:18:23 PM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Robert Drobot

I'm surprised this story hasn't been posted yet.


2 posted on 05/09/2006 5:18:56 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Como se llama, bonita, mi casa, su casa)
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To: Robert Drobot

This is either false or insane.
If true, it is time to broom the government off the stage.
Unelect all who support this insanity.


3 posted on 05/09/2006 5:19:17 PM PDT by putupjob
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To: Robert Drobot

Oh goody! Another Bush bashing thread!


4 posted on 05/09/2006 5:19:48 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: putupjob

Borders, Language, Culture it would be nice if Bush supported this


5 posted on 05/09/2006 5:21:02 PM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (60% of Saudis, 58%of Iraqis, 55%of Kuwaitis,50% of Jordanians married 1st or 2nd cousins. LOL!!!)
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To: SittinYonder
I'm surprised this story hasn't been posted yet.

One version or another has indeed been up here all day.

6 posted on 05/09/2006 5:21:08 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: Robert Drobot
Classic government employee turf war mentality and tactics.

I guess the Border Patrol doesn't like it that the Minutemen do a better job than they do, and for free.

7 posted on 05/09/2006 5:21:09 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Normal American)
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To: Indy Pendance

If the shoe fits.....


8 posted on 05/09/2006 5:21:13 PM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Indy Pendance
"Oh goody! Another Bush bashing thread!"

I'd say it's very much deserved in this case. Do you agree with this?

10 posted on 05/09/2006 5:21:34 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: ErnBatavia

This one hit the internet at 5:18:15 PM PDT. Are you suggesting WND was draging its feet?


13 posted on 05/09/2006 5:23:33 PM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Robert Drobot

Is this about UNION ?

Are border patrol agents UNIONIZED ?

Everytime I see volunteers doing work that in any way takes away from union labor, the union mindset blocks and ambushes the good-will effort.

Look at parents volunteering in schools. Most unions put a complete stop to that too.


14 posted on 05/09/2006 5:23:54 PM PDT by George from New England
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To: Indy Pendance

Funny you would make the connection.


16 posted on 05/09/2006 5:24:31 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Robert Drobot

It's going to be tense when that little section of wall starts going up. The government hates competition.


17 posted on 05/09/2006 5:25:06 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Robert Drobot
LOL! Another "anonymous" source.

Well at least I can say I'm consistent about "anaonymous" sources, whether world nut daily or washington compost does it.

18 posted on 05/09/2006 5:25:25 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Robert Drobot

FRom early today...

U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols (telling the Mexican government)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1629155/posts?q=1&&page=1001

1,000 plus posts and still chugging along ..


19 posted on 05/09/2006 5:25:54 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Robert Drobot

yes


20 posted on 05/09/2006 5:26:04 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: Robert Drobot
"U.S. alerting Mexico to Minuteman patrols"

Of course they are. Those "vigilantes" are successful, and success in this area is intolerable to those with "North American Community" agendas.

21 posted on 05/09/2006 5:26:22 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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also out there..


Tancredo Rips Government’s Spying of Minutemen

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1629359/posts?q=1&&page=401


22 posted on 05/09/2006 5:26:51 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: ErnBatavia
This one hit the internet at 5:18:15 PM PDT. Are you suggesting WND was dragging its feet?
23 posted on 05/09/2006 5:27:02 PM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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and there's more ...

Civilian Border Patrol Operations Reported to Mexico [BY US BORDER PATROL] ^

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1629207/posts


24 posted on 05/09/2006 5:28:04 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: wrathof59; Jim Robinson

*ping*


25 posted on 05/09/2006 5:28:06 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: KoRn
Exactly

"'Unbelievable that our own government.... is sending intelligence to another country'

Add "against it's own Citizens".

26 posted on 05/09/2006 5:28:32 PM PDT by stopem (To allow a bunch of third world country nationals to divide Americans is unconscionable!)
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To: Robert Drobot

FRom the original Daily
Bulletin article this morning..

Visit the Mexican Government's Secretary of Foreign Relations Web Site. Third Report on the Activities of Vigilantes.

http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman/reporte3.htm

no habla, sorry. :)


27 posted on 05/09/2006 5:30:49 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Dane

Just curious, Dane, where do you get your news from?


28 posted on 05/09/2006 5:31:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Robert Drobot
"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, told the Ontario paper

All they need is a cheap set of binoculars Mr. Simcox to see where the people sitting in lawn chairs are.

What is Mr. simcox all mad about? Do the minutemen have a secret Romulan cloaking device that Vincente Fox now knows about?

29 posted on 05/09/2006 5:32:30 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

How many more readers will read this story on WND?


30 posted on 05/09/2006 5:34:00 PM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Robert Drobot

This doesn't surprise me.


31 posted on 05/09/2006 5:34:09 PM PDT by RightWinger
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To: George from New England

chill out its not the BP Union doing this..they support the Minutemen


T J Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, credited the Minutemen with raising awareness of a problem that he said too many people overlook. "The key help that the Minuteman movement gives us is focusing public attention on the security of our borders and the difficult job that we have in maintaining it," Bonner said. "It's not necessarily doing the Border Patrol's job or even spotting illegals for them."

Bonner said he shares the desire for better security along America's borders. "Illegal immigrants are everywhere. And in many cases they're taking jobs that Americans would like to have."

He also blamed illegal aliens for eventually causing lower wages for unskilled labor jobs. "There are plenty of Americans who want their jobs. It's just most people can't afford those jobs anymore. When the jobs paid 18 dollars an hour, there was no shortage of people willing to take those jobs," Bonner said.

However, protecting the nation against terrorism should be a more pressing concern than jobs, Bonner said. "For every person we catch, two or three slip by us," he said. "When it's that easy for a regular person to slip across the border, think about how easy it is for someone who's very well trained and very well financed."

The border patrol "rank and file as a rule are very appreciative of the work the Minuteman Project [does to bring] attention to the job we do," Bonner added. At the same time, he said there is a large element of danger to which the Minutemen need to pay attention.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200509%5CNAT20050916a.html


32 posted on 05/09/2006 5:35:14 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: KoRn
No, I agree with the advancement of conservatism, which the concept seems to be lacking lately. Those here who want something accomplished in 3 months might want to elect a dictator. Our founding fathers purposely made our constitution hard to change, and change takes a long time. The immigration issue isn't new, it just didn't happen last month, more like 30 years ago. Yet there are some here who can't see the forest from the trees.

Go ahead and give the Dem's power, go ahead and vote for some obscure person. That'll teach 'em. Yeah, immigration will be fixed then. Everything we've been working for over the past 60 years, yes, 60 years...

Let's not let history get in the way.

Historical Party Strength in Senate

Or

Party Strength in House

But, like lemmings, you choose to follow the one issue wonders off a cliff, and not change from within.

All you one issue wonders who need a lesson in civics, who reply, don't expect a reply.

33 posted on 05/09/2006 5:36:07 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: KoRn
I'd say it's very much deserved in this case. Do you agree with this?

You and the rest of America. Bush is losing ground daily over the invasion issue.

34 posted on 05/09/2006 5:41:20 PM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: Robert Drobot
How many more readers will read this story on WND?

How many will believe it without knowing anything about the reporter who supposedly found this information on a Mexican website?

What do you know about her? Who was she trying to hurt with this story?

Even if it's accurate, and nobody has yet checked her facts out, when did Mexican websites suddenly get so credible?

Just asking.

35 posted on 05/09/2006 5:44:42 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Indy Pendance
Go ahead and give the Dem's power, go ahead and vote for some obscure person. That'll teach 'em. Yeah, immigration will be fixed then. Everything we've been working for over the past 60 years, yes, 60 years...

Democrats will give the illegals more benefits then the State of California does now

36 posted on 05/09/2006 5:44:55 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: Robert Drobot

The World Net Daily is hardly a reliable source of news.


37 posted on 05/09/2006 5:48:36 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu (Creationists/Evolutionists: peace)
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To: elkfersupper
I guess the Border Patrol doesn't like it that the Minutemen do a better job than they do, and for free.

Bingo!

38 posted on 05/09/2006 5:49:36 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Freedom isn't free, but the men and women of the military will pay most of your share)
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To: Robert Drobot

Whoaaaaaaaa wait a minute. Illegal immigrants have no rights under the US Constitution other than what is granted to other criminals, which includes a guarantee of imprisonment, and a return trip south after prison time has been served.


39 posted on 05/09/2006 5:49:56 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (ELECT SOME WORKERS AND REMOVE THE JERKERS!!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Just look at the "latest" page. WND is hardly the only one carrying this story. It's been smoking all day long.


40 posted on 05/09/2006 5:51:32 PM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Law enforcement does not like to be shown that private citizens can do a more effective job with little cost to taxpayers. It belittles their authority position.

Keep hammering away people. And head straight to the top. Make those unelected officials accountable with their JOBS!


41 posted on 05/09/2006 5:53:15 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (ELECT SOME WORKERS AND REMOVE THE JERKERS!!)
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To: Indy Pendance

Heads back in the sand brothers. Get back to bitching about democrats.


42 posted on 05/09/2006 5:56:04 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Robert Drobot

Shouldn't the U.S. be alerting the Minutement as where the Mexicans are?


43 posted on 05/09/2006 5:56:19 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: elkfersupper

Bingo, just like cops
Support them, help them.
Crime would be cut in half if we rid ourselfs of all illegals, then we can bring in legal immigrants


44 posted on 05/09/2006 5:56:46 PM PDT by roverman2K6
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To: Robert Drobot

Call, write or email your senators and congressman on a daily basis to express your outrage with regard to these activities!!!!!!


45 posted on 05/09/2006 6:00:11 PM PDT by ethics
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To: NormsRevenge
 
                                                       The Mexican constitution does not allow foreigners to participate in the political affairs of the country. 

                                                                                              That ban applies to participation in demonstrations.
 
                                                                                           
 
 
Should we start calling burglars “undocumented guests?”

If these illegals rally for amnesty by missing work, then the employer has every right to assume that they quit.
 
 

46 posted on 05/09/2006 6:00:44 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: sailor4321

Heavens no...that would be profiling....and that would be wrong...where is your compassion man? :-) he he he

JEDI.


47 posted on 05/09/2006 6:01:37 PM PDT by JediForce (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Indy Pendance
Oh goody! Another Bush bashing thread!

I think if there was a video showing Bush driving a van of illegals across the border some on this site would call the negative reaction, another Bush bash.

So under what conditions does Bush get held accountable for anything?

To work with a foreign government notifying the location of protesters, that are trying to stop an illegal act is just disgusting. If this does not stop and heads do not roll over this, then the Republican party is truley lost.

Long live the Democrats!
48 posted on 05/09/2006 6:06:42 PM PDT by Garry Boldwater
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To: Indy Pendance; George from New England
But, like lemmings, you choose to follow the one issue wonders off a cliff, and not change from within.

Just a few simple questions for you: How do you propose 'changing from within'? Why is this 'changing' even necessary? How did it get to this level of discomfort (Lemmings Level IV) if we've all been voting like good little Republicans over the years?

49 posted on 05/09/2006 6:07:21 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Mexican Government's Secretary of Foreign Relations Web Site. Third Report on the Activities of Vigilantes.

http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman/reporte3.htm

Rough Babel translation of that Mexican web page:


50 posted on 05/09/2006 6:11:15 PM PDT by TomGuy
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