Skip to comments.U.S. ALERTING MEXICO TO MINUTEMAN PATROLS
Posted on 05/09/2006 5:18:15 PM PDT by Robert Drobot
U.S. alerting Mexico to Minuteman patrols
'Unbelievable that our own government....
is sending intelligence to another country'
Posted: May 9, 2006
11:37 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
The U.S. Border Patrol is tipping off Mexican authorities on the positions of members of the Minuteman civilian patrols.
U.S. officials have agreed to the notification process to reassure the Mexican government that the illegal immigrants' rights are being observed, the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario, Calif., reports.
When the Minuteman and other civilian border patrol groups help apprehend illegal immigrants, the Mexican government must be notified, according to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations website.
A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed to the Daily Bulletin the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure.
"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said.
"This ... simply makes two basic statements that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."
But angered Minuteman members say the reporting virtually nullifies their effectiveness and could endanger lives.
"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, told the Ontario paper.
"It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country," he said. "They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.
"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."
Martinez said any illegal alien apprehended has the right to request counsel.
"We have to give their counsel the information about their apprehension, and that includes where they are apprehended, whether a Minuteman volunteer spotted them or a citizen," he said.
The spokesman said by entering into the cooperative agreement, the Border Patrol hoped to change Mexico's perception of the group as vigilantes.
One of the documents on the website, "Actions of the Mexican Government in Relation to the Activities of Vigilante Groups," describes a meeting with San Diego Border Patrol sector chief Darryl Griffen.
According to the document, Griffen "said that the Border Patrol will not permit any violence or any actions contrary to the law by the groups, and he is continuously aware of (the volunteer organizations') operations."
The document continues: "Mr. Griffen reiterated to the undersecretary his promise to notify the General Consul right away when the vigilantes detain or participate in the detention of any undocumented Mexicans."
The documents name the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and the Chino, Calif.-based Friends of the Border Patrol.
TJ Bonner, president of the 10,000-member union National Border Patrol Council, told the Daily Bulletin his member agents have complained for years about the Mexican government "unduly influencing our enforcement policies."
"That's not a legitimate role for any foreign nation," he said.
The Minuteman weblog said the Daily Bulletin's story "does not report information told to the [Minuteman] media offices that the Border Patrol chiefs have also been passing along intelligence reports to the government of Mexico on the activities of Minutemen not only at the borders, but in locations such as Utah, Nevada, Illinois, Massachusetts and Tennessee."
The weblog said one report contained estimated chapter membership numbers of Minutemen in Illinois and a statement on activities. The report noted the group didn't seem to know any politicians there, indicating the Illinois Minutemen had not acquired political clout.
The Minuteman blog commented: "That is not a report on the location of Minutemen at the border, but political intelligence from our government to a foreign nation about the activities of American citizens petitioning our own government for redress of grievances."
Border agents interviewed by the paper said they have been asked to report the location of all civilian patrols to sector headquarters. But they are not to file the groups' names in reports if they spot illegal immigrants.
I'm surprised this story hasn't been posted yet.
This is either false or insane.
If true, it is time to broom the government off the stage.
Unelect all who support this insanity.
Oh goody! Another Bush bashing thread!
Borders, Language, Culture it would be nice if Bush supported this
One version or another has indeed been up here all day.
I guess the Border Patrol doesn't like it that the Minutemen do a better job than they do, and for free.
If the shoe fits.....
I'd say it's very much deserved in this case. Do you agree with this?
This one hit the internet at 5:18:15 PM PDT. Are you suggesting WND was draging its feet?
Is this about UNION ?
Are border patrol agents UNIONIZED ?
Everytime I see volunteers doing work that in any way takes away from union labor, the union mindset blocks and ambushes the good-will effort.
Look at parents volunteering in schools. Most unions put a complete stop to that too.
Funny you would make the connection.
It's going to be tense when that little section of wall starts going up. The government hates competition.
Well at least I can say I'm consistent about "anaonymous" sources, whether world nut daily or washington compost does it.
FRom early today...
U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols (telling the Mexican government)
1,000 plus posts and still chugging along ..
Of course they are. Those "vigilantes" are successful, and success in this area is intolerable to those with "North American Community" agendas.
also out there..
Tancredo Rips Governments Spying of Minutemen
and there's more ...
Civilian Border Patrol Operations Reported to Mexico [BY US BORDER PATROL] ^
"'Unbelievable that our own government.... is sending intelligence to another country'
Add "against it's own Citizens".
FRom the original Daily
Bulletin article this morning..
Visit the Mexican Government's Secretary of Foreign Relations Web Site. Third Report on the Activities of Vigilantes.
no habla, sorry. :)
Just curious, Dane, where do you get your news from?
All they need is a cheap set of binoculars Mr. Simcox to see where the people sitting in lawn chairs are.
What is Mr. simcox all mad about? Do the minutemen have a secret Romulan cloaking device that Vincente Fox now knows about?
How many more readers will read this story on WND?
This doesn't surprise me.
chill out its not the BP Union doing this..they support the Minutemen
T J Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, credited the Minutemen with raising awareness of a problem that he said too many people overlook. "The key help that the Minuteman movement gives us is focusing public attention on the security of our borders and the difficult job that we have in maintaining it," Bonner said. "It's not necessarily doing the Border Patrol's job or even spotting illegals for them."
Bonner said he shares the desire for better security along America's borders. "Illegal immigrants are everywhere. And in many cases they're taking jobs that Americans would like to have."
He also blamed illegal aliens for eventually causing lower wages for unskilled labor jobs. "There are plenty of Americans who want their jobs. It's just most people can't afford those jobs anymore. When the jobs paid 18 dollars an hour, there was no shortage of people willing to take those jobs," Bonner said.
However, protecting the nation against terrorism should be a more pressing concern than jobs, Bonner said. "For every person we catch, two or three slip by us," he said. "When it's that easy for a regular person to slip across the border, think about how easy it is for someone who's very well trained and very well financed."
The border patrol "rank and file as a rule are very appreciative of the work the Minuteman Project [does to bring] attention to the job we do," Bonner added. At the same time, he said there is a large element of danger to which the Minutemen need to pay attention.
Go ahead and give the Dem's power, go ahead and vote for some obscure person. That'll teach 'em. Yeah, immigration will be fixed then. Everything we've been working for over the past 60 years, yes, 60 years...
Let's not let history get in the way.
But, like lemmings, you choose to follow the one issue wonders off a cliff, and not change from within.
All you one issue wonders who need a lesson in civics, who reply, don't expect a reply.
You and the rest of America. Bush is losing ground daily over the invasion issue.
How many will believe it without knowing anything about the reporter who supposedly found this information on a Mexican website?
What do you know about her? Who was she trying to hurt with this story?
Even if it's accurate, and nobody has yet checked her facts out, when did Mexican websites suddenly get so credible?
Democrats will give the illegals more benefits then the State of California does now
The World Net Daily is hardly a reliable source of news.
Whoaaaaaaaa wait a minute. Illegal immigrants have no rights under the US Constitution other than what is granted to other criminals, which includes a guarantee of imprisonment, and a return trip south after prison time has been served.
Just look at the "latest" page. WND is hardly the only one carrying this story. It's been smoking all day long.
Law enforcement does not like to be shown that private citizens can do a more effective job with little cost to taxpayers. It belittles their authority position.
Keep hammering away people. And head straight to the top. Make those unelected officials accountable with their JOBS!
Heads back in the sand brothers. Get back to bitching about democrats.
Shouldn't the U.S. be alerting the Minutement as where the Mexicans are?
Bingo, just like cops
Support them, help them.
Crime would be cut in half if we rid ourselfs of all illegals, then we can bring in legal immigrants
Call, write or email your senators and congressman on a daily basis to express your outrage with regard to these activities!!!!!!
Heavens no...that would be profiling....and that would be wrong...where is your compassion man? :-) he he he
Just a few simple questions for you: How do you propose 'changing from within'? Why is this 'changing' even necessary? How did it get to this level of discomfort (Lemmings Level IV) if we've all been voting like good little Republicans over the years?
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