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Confederate song at Highlands School upsets some black parents (Bonnie Blue Flag)
WTVM ^ | 09-May-2006

Posted on 05/09/2006 8:54:07 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

MOUNTAIN BROOK, Ala. Some parents are asking for answers after their children sang a popular marching song of the Confederacy during a Civil War history lesson. At least five black students sang, along with other fifth-graders, the lyrics of "The Bonnie Blue Flag" at the closing of last Friday's program at The Highlands School in Mountain Brook.

The 1861 song was written in honor of the blue flag with the white star that Mississippi flew over the state Capitol upon seceding from the Union.

Some are the lyrics are --quote-- "We are a band of brothers and native to the soil. Fighting for the property we gained by honest toil."

Whitlynn Battle told the Birmingham there's no explanation or excuse for the song's inclusion in the program, which her 11-year-old daughter participated in.

Highlands School is a private school for 4-year-olds through eighth-graders and according to its web site, about 11 percent of its 280 students are minorities.

Dale Hanson, the school's acting head, said he has received a couple of e-mails and the school is handling the issue in-house.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: blacks; blue; bonnie; bonnieblue; confederate; dixie; flag; folk; heritage; obnoxiousblacks; shutupblacks; song; south; southern; whinyblacks
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1 posted on 05/09/2006 8:54:12 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

I'm sorry, someone please explain the offense to me. I'm dense I guess.


2 posted on 05/09/2006 8:55:17 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (Mom to five sons)
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To: Shimmer128

Blacks (I refuse to ever, ever use the "African-American" term) are playing the victim card once again.


4 posted on 05/09/2006 8:59:02 PM PDT by Gorobei
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To: stainlessbanner

We are a band of brothers,
Native to the soil
Fighting for the property
We gained by honest toil.
And when our rights were threatened,
The cry rose near and far;
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star!

chorus:
Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights, Hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star!

As long as the Union
Was faithful to her trust,
Like friends and brethren,
kind were we, and just;
But now, when Northern treachery
Attempts our rights to mar,
We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue flag
That bears a single star.

First gallant South Carolina
Nobly made the stand,
Then came Alabama
And took her by the hand;
Next, quickly, Mississippi,
Georgia, and Florida,
All raised on high the Bonnie Blue flag
That bears a single star.

Ye men of valor gather round
The banner of the right,
Texas and fair Louisiana
Join us in the fight;
Davis, our loved President,
And Stephens statesmen are;
Now rally round the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

And here's to brave Virginia,
The Old Dominion State.
With the young Confederacy
At length has linked her fate.
Impelled by her example,
Now other States prepare
To hoist on high the Bonnie Blue flag
That bears a single star.

Then here's to our Confederacy,
Strong we are and brave,
Like patriots of old we'll fight,
Our heritage to save.
And rather than submit to shame,
To die we would prefer
So cheer for the Bonnie Blue flag
That bears a single star.

Then cheer, boys, cheer,
Raise a joyous shout
For Arkansas and North Carolina
Now have both gone out;
And let another rousing cheer
For Tennessee be given
The single star of the Bonnie Blue Flag
Has grown to be eleven!


5 posted on 05/09/2006 8:59:55 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: Shimmer128

I suppose some people think it's the first step on the road back to slavery/s


6 posted on 05/09/2006 9:00:17 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: stainlessbanner
That's it. No more singing in school. Absolutely none. For that matter, no more reading either.

Sheesh. Is there anything that doesn't offend somebody these days?

7 posted on 05/09/2006 9:00:24 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: stainlessbanner

It's a private school. If you're upset, send your kid elsewhere.


8 posted on 05/09/2006 9:01:36 PM PDT by isrul
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To: peggybac

Great melody, too.


9 posted on 05/09/2006 9:01:49 PM PDT by Publius
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To: TR Jeffersonian

ping


10 posted on 05/09/2006 9:02:43 PM PDT by kalee
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To: stainlessbanner

oh good grief


11 posted on 05/09/2006 9:09:05 PM PDT by sneakers
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To: stainlessbanner

I remember learning this in elementary school in NY, and no one made a fuss.


12 posted on 05/09/2006 9:10:45 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: Shimmer128
I'm sorry, someone please explain the offense to me. I'm dense I guess.

It's the same as asking a black person to sing Dixie.

Some teacher snuck it in under the parental radar to make a political point.

13 posted on 05/09/2006 9:13:05 PM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: Frank_2001

But why would it be that??


14 posted on 05/09/2006 9:20:13 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (Mom to five sons)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
"Sheesh. Is there anything that doesn't offend somebody these days?"

Nope! Their being offended offends me, so now what??
15 posted on 05/09/2006 9:20:37 PM PDT by Humal
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To: usmcobra
Some teacher snuck it in under the parental radar to make a political point.

Or perhaps, just perhaps, the teacher was actually trying to instruct her students in the history of their state. Yes, even if that means that black students have to temporarily confront the fact that their ancestors were enslaved, at the risk that they'll be "offended." Seems to me that if they learn about the songs and material culture of those times, it's a more valuable lesson than if they just memorize the names and dates of certain battles and generals. There's nothing so offensive in those lyrics anyway.

I hoep the teacher doesn't pay the price of her honesty with her job.

16 posted on 05/09/2006 9:21:06 PM PDT by Fairview
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To: usmcobra

ok, what's wrong with singing Dixie?
I love to sing Dixie to my kids. Ok, we're of the dread "white race" but still....what???


17 posted on 05/09/2006 9:21:15 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (Mom to five sons)
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To: Shimmer128

You are not dense, that I know, the offense is beyond me as well.

If they, whoever they are, don't like the song, turn up the bass and hear your fenders rattle.

I shall never apologize for my heritage, the music, or the flag.


18 posted on 05/09/2006 9:25:52 PM PDT by Hilltop
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To: Shimmer128

There is some speculation that Dan Emmett, credited with writing "Dixie", may have heard it from Black Southerners.


19 posted on 05/09/2006 9:27:22 PM PDT by stainlessbanner (Free Travis!)
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To: Shimmer128
I'm sorry, someone please explain the offense to me. I'm dense I guess.

Some people know who (not what) the "property we gained by honest toil" was. We also know, from reading the acts of secession of the various Confederate States, that to which the phrase "Southern rights" refers.

20 posted on 05/09/2006 9:27:37 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: usmcobra

So, you don't like the song Dixie.

Well, I don't like Snoop Doggy Dog.

Do you like Beethoven?

If you don't like the song, don't put the CD in your damn player.


21 posted on 05/09/2006 9:29:14 PM PDT by Hilltop
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To: Shimmer128

Oh, it's WVTM. I live in the area.

May God bless the great state of Alabama.

I give no apology and I expect none.


22 posted on 05/09/2006 9:33:30 PM PDT by Hilltop
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To: usmcobra
" ... It's the same as asking a black person to sing Dixie. ..."

Yet I am often "asked" to sing *The Battle Hymn of the Republic,* which is OK, I love the hymn, but only stand up for it in church.

Is it because the Union, the Grand Army of the Republic, "won" the Civil War and *Dixie* is associated with the South, the side that "lost" the war, that all references should be banished? Like "to the victor go the spoils" - is that it?

23 posted on 05/09/2006 9:35:18 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: peggybac

Nothing offense of this song. The tune sounds familiar. :)


24 posted on 05/09/2006 9:36:15 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (Ptarmigans will rise again!)
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To: pawdoggie

Does the phrase "States rights" resonate with you?

The answer is no.

You assume unto your northern ass more knowledge than you possess.

Flame away, pull the post, report me, I could not care less.

Hilltop

Son of the South.


25 posted on 05/09/2006 9:38:33 PM PDT by Hilltop
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To: I still care

Then there's always the urban legend "back story" of "The Yellow Rose of Texas," our perennial grade school favorite down here, as well as in other states.

Look what Mitch Miller foisted off on the country, lol.


26 posted on 05/09/2006 9:39:23 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Sheesh. Is there anything that doesn't offend somebody these days?


It depends in large part on who is claiming to be offended. When in doubt refer to the following guidelines:

1. If a minority says anything that could be taken as offensive to whites - it's covered under free speech. However, if a white person says anything that can be taken as offensive by a minority - it's racist.

2. Anything viewed as offensive to Christians - free speech.

3. Anything viewed as offensive to heterosexuals - free speech. Anything viewed as offensive to gays - homophobic.

4. Anything offensive to men - free speech. Anything offensive to women - sexist.

Also, if the person making the offensive remark is otherwise appropriately liberal, a free pass can be issued. If the person is a conservative, you're screwed.
27 posted on 05/09/2006 9:40:44 PM PDT by Sapper26 (All men should marry, you can't blame everything on the government - Jed Clampett.)
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To: Hilltop
I don't like snoop doggy dog either and I do like Dixie....


However what I really don't like is some music teacher picking songs he knows will be offensive to some of certain parents in attendance and puts the words of those songs into the mouths of their children.

The word that comes to mind is perverse.

28 posted on 05/09/2006 9:43:04 PM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: Sapper26

For someone that uses whiteout on a computer monitor, you are most intelligent.

OK, it's an old blonde joke.

Thanks for your post, well written.


29 posted on 05/09/2006 9:45:11 PM PDT by Hilltop
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To: Hilltop

A small group of us on FR have said for years that the attack on Southern cultural artifacts such as songs, memorials, statues, plaques, flags, stories, and such will spread to the other American cultural items (Constitution, Bill of Rights, state songs, state flags, local city/county seals, Pledge of Allegiance). It's even spread to sports team names and mascots.


30 posted on 05/09/2006 9:45:27 PM PDT by stainlessbanner (Free Travis!)
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To: stainlessbanner

It is pathetic and ridiculous. PC is the cancer on society. It euphemism for Communism and Nazism. It was PC for them to hate America, Christians, and Jews, which it is today.


31 posted on 05/09/2006 9:47:41 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (Ptarmigans will rise again!)
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To: stainlessbanner

whaa, whaa, whaa, and take Huckleberry Finn out of the library too. sarcasm off


32 posted on 05/09/2006 9:48:10 PM PDT by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: stainlessbanner

33 posted on 05/09/2006 9:48:48 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: stainlessbanner
A small group of us on FR have said for years that the attack on Southern cultural artifacts such as songs, memorials, statues, plaques, flags, stories, and such will spread to the other American cultural items (Constitution, Bill of Rights, state songs, state flags, local city/county seals, Pledge of Allegiance). It's even spread to sports team names and mascots.

And yet you still refuse to blame the Democrats for doing so for political and monetary gain.

Why is it that you can't blame the racism that has existed in the South in all it's most horrible forms on the "Old" south's Democrat Masters?

34 posted on 05/09/2006 9:51:31 PM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: usmcobra

We sang Dixie when I was a boy....blacks too.

A Yankee wrote Dixie.

We also sand that song about picking cotton too and nobody whined.


35 posted on 05/09/2006 9:52:15 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: stainlessbanner

Being offended is frequently nothing other than a political tactic.


36 posted on 05/09/2006 9:55:20 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (I like to make everyone's day a little more surreal)
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To: usmcobra

Are you black?

You're always all over this stuff...like it's personal.


I'm a white Mississppian of 7th generation and 48 years old as a matter of disclosure.

We can agree to have different perspectives to be fair but when I was a boy local blacks were not terribly angry over this sorta stuff

and we indeed did sing Dixie and other Southern vernacular works together and no one blinked.

I was at Ole Miss in the late 70s and never saw any blacks there up in arms over any of this.

If it wasn't evil then...why now?

Are you folks just more astute and recognize evil where we might have missed it or has just become a convenient foil.


37 posted on 05/09/2006 9:56:28 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: wardaddy

With all due respect, unless you are invoking the childhood verse, "Jump down, turn around, pick a bail of cotton.", then the song to which you refer IS Dixie.


38 posted on 05/09/2006 9:58:19 PM PDT by Hilltop
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To: Hilltop

what was that cotton patch song?

i never knew Dixie past 1 or 2 verses


39 posted on 05/09/2006 10:00:52 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: wardaddy
We can agree to have different perspectives to be fair but when I was a boy local blacks were not terribly angry over this sorta stuff

I doubt that in say 1963, blacks in Mississippi could speak with the same freedom about not liking "Dixie" that they can today. Fear does not equal liking or loving something.

40 posted on 05/09/2006 10:02:15 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: usmcobra
"However what I really don't like is some music teacher picking songs he knows will be offensive to some of certain parents in attendance and puts the words of those songs into the mouths of their children."

Are you serious? They probably didn't sing more than the first verse and the chorus. If the parents are so lame as to take offense at HISTORY that's their problem. Blaming the teacher as the foil for this is ludicrous.
41 posted on 05/09/2006 10:03:09 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: LWalk18

Many whites today hold their tongue about aspects of black culture that they don't like for fear of being labeled a "racist". I imagine it worked the same way in reserve back then, if you were black you held your tongue for fear of being considered "uppity".


42 posted on 05/09/2006 10:04:42 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: LWalk18

sure....we were lynching blacks in the 60s in the South if they failed to sing Dixie...lol

where do ya'll get this stuff from....you can't make it up

First openly hostile blacks I ever saw in my life was 20 years later in Manhattan.

I like to think my hometown blacks were just nicer and had better manners.

But you can think what makes you feel superior.


43 posted on 05/09/2006 10:04:57 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: Hilltop

That's what I was thinking, too, lol. Wracking my brain about another cotton-pickin' school-age song. Maybe the boll weevil song? "Jes lookin' for a home ..." Naw, that came out as an R&B song.

Oh, I know! "When I was a little bitty baby, my momma used to rock me in the cradle ... in them old cotton fields back home ..." No mention of picking it, though.

Wow, I bet the peanut allergy kids break out in hives if they do the Civil War marching song from the South ... peas, peas, peas, peas ... eatin' goober peas. That would be offensive.

Cotton-picking songs, hmmm.


44 posted on 05/09/2006 10:07:49 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: LWalk18

I sure don't hold my tongue.

Anyone looking for a soft rollover guilty white boy in me is wasting their time.

I've never done anything to anyone minority or otherwise who didn't have it coming.

And I"m tired of hearing all this crap and excuse making.

None of this has diddly to do with what is broke in the black culture today in 2006. It's just a smokescreen.

Not Dixie, nor Rebel Flags, not even Sweet Home Alabama.

The broken part of black culture today is the fault of blacks...just like anyone else.


45 posted on 05/09/2006 10:08:40 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: Rte66

You coulda pinged me....cotton fields back home...another racist song.


46 posted on 05/09/2006 10:09:50 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: swmobuffalo

I am serious.

There are thousands of songs worth singing and yet this confederate marching song was used to create the very outrage and debate we see before us.

That's perverse.


47 posted on 05/09/2006 10:14:03 PM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: wardaddy

But it was somewhere in Louisiana, "just about a mile from Texarkana," wasn't it? Ha ha, it's at least 30 miles, minimum, from the outskirts of Texarkana to the Louisiana border.


48 posted on 05/09/2006 10:14:22 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: usmcobra
Southrons, hear your country call you!
Up, lest worse than death befall you!
To arms ! To arms! To arms, in Dixie!
Lo! All the beacon-fires are lighted,
Let all hearts be now united!
To arms ! To arms! To arms, in Dixie!

Advance the flag of Dixie
Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Dixie's land we take our stand,
And live or die for Dixie!
To Arms! To Arms!
And conquer peace for Dixie
To Arms! To Arms
And conquer peace for Dixie

Hear the Northern thunders mutter!
Northern flags in South winds flutter!
To arms ! To arms! To arms, in Dixie!
Send them back your fierce defiance!
Stamp upon the accursed alliance!
To arms ! To arms! To arms, in Dixie!

Advance the flag of Dixie
Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Dixie's land we take our stand,
And live or die for Dixie!
To Arms! To Arms!
And conquer peace for Dixie
To Arms! To Arms
And conquer peace for Dixie.

Fear no danger! Shun no labor!
Lift up rifle, pike and saber!
To arms ! To arms! To arms, in Dixie!
Shoulder pressing close to shoulder,
Let the odds make each heart bolder!
To arms ! To arms! To arms, in Dixie!

Advance the flag of Dixie
Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Dixie's land we take our stand,
And live or die for Dixie!
To Arms! To Arms!
And conquer peace for Dixie
To Arms! To Arms
And conquer peace for Dixie.

Swear upon our country's altar
Never to submit or to falter,
To arms ! To arms! To arms, in Dixie!
Till the spoilers are defeated,
Till the Lord's work is completed!
To arms ! To arms! To arms, in Dixie!

Advance the flag of Dixie.
Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Dixie's land we take our stand,
And live or die for Dixie!
To Arms! To Arms!
And conquer peace for Dixie
To Arms! To Arms
And conquer peace for Dixie

49 posted on 05/09/2006 10:16:27 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: stainlessbanner

What doesn't upset black parents?


50 posted on 05/09/2006 10:16:38 PM PDT by nygoose
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