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Report: U.S. notifying Mexico of some civilian border patrol acts
AP on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 5/9/06 | AP

Posted on 05/09/2006 9:16:57 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

The U.S. Border Patrol is alerting Mexican officials when civilian border patrol groups detain or allegedly mistreat suspected illegal immigrants, according to a newspaper report published Tuesday.

The policy is meant to assure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed, U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Mario Martinez told the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario.

On Tuesday, the agency called the article inaccurate.

Citing interviews with Border Patrol agents and documents on a Mexican government Web site, the newspaper reported agents notify Mexican authorities when members of civilian groups such as the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps apprehend or allegedly use violence against border crossers.

"If an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person," Martinez told the newspaper.

The report also cited three documents on the Web site of the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations that say Mexican consulates are in close contact with Border Patrol officials regarding the safety of border crossers who have been stopped by civilian groups.

T.J. Bonner, president of the Border Patrol agents' union, said members have long complained that the Mexican government has undue influence over U.S. enforcement policies.

"That's not a legitimate role for any foreign nation," Bonner said.

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection in Washington, D.C., issued a statement disputing the newspaper's report.

"Border Patrol does not report activity by civilian, non-law enforcement groups to the government of Mexico," according to the statement. "During a detention of a legal or illegal immigrant that produces an allegation of improper treatment, Border Patrol reports the allegation and allows the appropriate consulate to interview the individual in custody."

The Daily Bulletin's managing editor, Jeff Keating, said Tuesday the newspaper stands by its story.

Martinez did not immediately return a message left Tuesday by The Associated Press, and an after-hours call to the Mexican embassy in Washington, D.C., was not immediately returned.

Minuteman members said any contact between the Border Patrol and Mexican officials negates the group's effectiveness and could endanger the lives of its members.

"It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country," said Chris Simcox, the organization's founder. "They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: acts; aliens; borderpatrol; civilian; mexico; minuteman; minutemanproject; notifying
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an ap nightcap to the story..

Daily Bulletin is standing by story as reported.

1 posted on 05/09/2006 9:17:00 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Both the Border Patrol and the White House dispute this story.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1629558/posts?page=339


2 posted on 05/09/2006 9:18:12 PM PDT by Peach
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To: NormsRevenge

At least this time they included the information that debunks the original claims.


3 posted on 05/09/2006 9:20:25 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: NormsRevenge

Thanks Norm. I am still waiting to see supporting evidence that this story is phony as some FReepers have stated on another thread.


4 posted on 05/09/2006 9:21:01 PM PDT by fizziwig (Bushbotulism is a terrible thing to have....please get help..)
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To: NormsRevenge

Apparently, World Net Daily can be accurate sometimes, though still not enough to be reliable.


5 posted on 05/09/2006 9:22:23 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu (Creationists/Evolutionists: peace)
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To: fizziwig
"I am still waiting to see supporting evidence that this story is phony as some FReepers have stated on another thread."

Ummmm, does this mean nothing to you..."The U.S. Customs and Border Protection in Washington, D.C., issued a statement disputing the newspaper's report."

6 posted on 05/09/2006 9:22:28 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: fizziwig

Well, what will it take?

It says right there

Border Patrol does not report activity by civilian, non-law enforcement groups to the government of Mexico," according to the statement. "During a detention of a legal or illegal immigrant that produces an allegation of improper treatment, Border Patrol reports the allegation and allows the appropriate consulate to interview the individual in custody."


What "proof" do you need?


7 posted on 05/09/2006 9:22:35 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: fizziwig

Oh yur one of them 'fake but accurate' never again kind of folks. I heard of you. ;-)

We'll see what the 'morrow brings, as they say.

It sure had things hopping and a 'jumpin' today.


8 posted on 05/09/2006 9:22:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

about the World Net Daily article which touched on a similar topic.


9 posted on 05/09/2006 9:23:30 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu (Creationists/Evolutionists: peace)
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To: NormsRevenge
The Daily Bulletin's managing editor, Jeff Keating, said Tuesday the newspaper stands by its story.

Sort of like CBS stood by their Bush national guard forgery story. Until they couldn't any more.

10 posted on 05/09/2006 9:23:32 PM PDT by Peach
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To: fizziwig

The evidence is in the story. The border patrol disputes the story. And the WH, according to ABC tonight, said the story isn't true.


11 posted on 05/09/2006 9:24:13 PM PDT by Peach
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To: fizziwig

story s/b article.


12 posted on 05/09/2006 9:24:25 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

CB who? :-)


13 posted on 05/09/2006 9:24:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Howlin

"What "proof" do you need?"

Same can be said for those who dispute it.


14 posted on 05/09/2006 9:24:54 PM PDT by NapkinUser (http://www.vasquezforidaho.org/)
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To: Peach

"And the WH, according to ABC tonight, said the story isn't true."

Wow, I'm sorry I ever doubted them.

(sarcasm)


15 posted on 05/09/2006 9:26:02 PM PDT by NapkinUser (http://www.vasquezforidaho.org/)
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To: NormsRevenge

:-)


16 posted on 05/09/2006 9:26:11 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Howlin
Minuteman members said any contact between the Border Patrol and Mexican officials negates the group's effectiveness and could endanger the lives of its members.

Maybe Simcox should take his damn website then. Hell does anyone NOT know where the next Minutemen picnic is going to be? This guy has an ego bigger than his IQ.

17 posted on 05/09/2006 9:26:19 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I believe the NY Slimes stand by their articles also, that doesn't always make them true.


18 posted on 05/09/2006 9:26:25 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: All
From the Internet and in no particular order..

"Drug cartels spend $500 million a year to pay off corrupt Mexican generals and police officials. . . ."

"The Mexican army is escorting those attempting to cross over the US border illegally – including known drug-runners. . . ."

"Mexican military support for illegal drug smuggling, he said. . . ."

"US OFFICIALS SAY MEXICAN MILITARY AIDS DRUG TRAFFIC - New York Times"

"A rural Texas sheriff accuses the Mexican army of protecting a drug smuggling operation. . . ."

Is it just me or is there a pattern emerging here?

19 posted on 05/09/2006 9:27:38 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Howlin

"What "proof" do you need?"
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Hmmmm, well, its not proof but it is a statement from a government official contradicting what the Minutemen are reporting. I guess I will just have to choose whom I believe.

The fact that the Minutemen even exist shows me how much confidence I should have in our government regarding illegal immigration.


20 posted on 05/09/2006 9:28:24 PM PDT by fizziwig (Bushbotulism is a terrible thing to have....please get help..)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

No knocking them intended, I haven't been to WND in ages,, same goes for Real Clear Politics and Newsmax.. used to peruse them a lot..

part of that is due to my spending a lot of time these days focussing on California politics... it's a case of relying on different sources for different stories and issues


21 posted on 05/09/2006 9:29:23 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NapkinUser

So you don't believe the WH but you DO believe the Mexican government? Okey doke.


22 posted on 05/09/2006 9:29:39 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

So where is Mike Wallace gonna end up at anyway? lolol.

CNN? :)


23 posted on 05/09/2006 9:30:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NapkinUser

"Wow, I'm sorry I ever doubted them. "

Imagine my sorrow for STILL doubting!


24 posted on 05/09/2006 9:31:30 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Peach

"So you don't believe the WH but you DO believe the Mexican government? Okey doke."

How did you get believing the Mexican government from my post?


25 posted on 05/09/2006 9:31:58 PM PDT by NapkinUser (http://www.vasquezforidaho.org/)
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To: Peach
The evidence is in the story. The border patrol disputes the story. And the WH, according to ABC tonight, said the story isn't true.

A Border Patrol spokesman also said - "we will not allow any lawlessness of any type", as another 5,000 illegal aliens slip across the border tonight, quite happily going about their lawlessness.

26 posted on 05/09/2006 9:32:36 PM PDT by Stormcrow ("It's not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so.")
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To: NapkinUser

Isn't this your post?

"And the WH, according to ABC tonight, said the story isn't true."

Wow, I'm sorry I ever doubted them.

(sarcasm)


So it's ABC you don't believe?


27 posted on 05/09/2006 9:33:03 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

"So you don't believe the WH but you DO believe the Mexican government? Okey doke."
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Its not a choice between believing the WH or the Mexican government, its a choice between believing the WH or the Minutemen.







28 posted on 05/09/2006 9:34:00 PM PDT by fizziwig (Bushbotulism is a terrible thing to have....please get help..)
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To: Stormcrow

It's not as though the border patrol just LETS them cross and never detains anyone. Try to at least be somewhat honest.


29 posted on 05/09/2006 9:34:48 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
It's not as though the border patrol just LETS them cross and never detains anyone. Try to at least be somewhat honest.

I practice "catch and release" as well. But the bass fish aren't clogging up the medical system, the school system, the court system, ad nauseum.

30 posted on 05/09/2006 9:38:45 PM PDT by Stormcrow ("It's not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so.")
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To: Howlin

What "proof" do you need?


hmm conflicting "government" reports..

El Cónsul de México en Presidio se reunió con del Jefe del Sector Marfa de la Patrulla Fronteriza para solicitar su colaboración para que en caso de que se detecte algún tipo de actividad de vigilancia, se informe de inmediato a ese Consulado.

Darryl Griffen, Jefe de la Patrulla Fronteriza del Sector San Diego, quien ratificó que la Patrulla Fronteriza no permitirá ninguna violación a la ley y que está al pendiente de los operativos que realizan estos grupos. El Sr. Griffen reiteró al Subsecretario su compromiso de notificar oportunamente al Consulado General, en caso de que los llamados vigilantes detengan o intervengan en la detención de mexicanos indocumentados.


31 posted on 05/09/2006 9:38:58 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: All
What's next?!

Washington, some time in the future. WoC News. Surviving Minutemen deny having military weapons.

Bush Administration officials confirm the Mexican army's account of the fire fight between army personnel and Minutemen vigilantes that claimed the lives of Americans.

"Our joint investigation shows that 78-year-old Maude Fricket probably fired a clip of eight rounds from her late husband's W.W. II M-1 rifle," said a Bush Administration official. Mexican army personnel rushed to protect an annual gathering of citizens in Mexican territory celebrating hard work, family values, and paying taxes, the official said.

After the fire fight Mexican army personnel found Mrs. Frickert dead from wounds with her thumb trapped by the weapon's bolt. "She was trying to load another eight-round clip, a Mexican Embassy official told reporters "That's how we know she started it," the official said. . . .

32 posted on 05/09/2006 9:39:35 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Peach

No, they aren't literally allowing them to come in. But the BP is ineffective due to chronic underfunding and attentino from afar in Washington.

That is why the Minutemen were created; to serve as a wake-up call that if the government won't do for the people, then the people will do for themselves.


34 posted on 05/09/2006 9:40:24 PM PDT by Gorobei
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To: Peach

Yeah, that's my post. And no, I don't believe the government spin on this and never watch ABC.

But how does me believing the Mexican government come into play?


35 posted on 05/09/2006 9:40:52 PM PDT by NapkinUser (http://www.vasquezforidaho.org/)
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To: Gorobei

It must disappoint you terribly that no one on either side of the aisle who has the ability to actually DO something about this issue is suggesting exactly what you want done.


36 posted on 05/09/2006 9:41:49 PM PDT by Peach
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To: NapkinUser

You said you didn't believe them. Now, that's either the WH or ABC. Which means you believe the Mexicans.


37 posted on 05/09/2006 9:42:43 PM PDT by Peach
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To: HappyFeet

"I believe the Minutemen and Chris Simcox."
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So far, me too. We will see what how it all pans out in the coming days.


38 posted on 05/09/2006 9:43:56 PM PDT by fizziwig (Bushbotulism is a terrible thing to have....please get help..)
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To: fizziwig
I am still waiting to see supporting evidence that this story is phony as some FReepers have stated on another thread.

I am still waiting to see supporting evidence that the news that you are a horse thief is false.

39 posted on 05/09/2006 9:44:07 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Peach

I stand behind the few that do, such as Tancredo and Sensenbrenner. Theirs are lonely voices right now.


40 posted on 05/09/2006 9:50:33 PM PDT by Gorobei
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To: Republican Wildcat

"I am still waiting to see supporting evidence that the news that you are a horse thief is false."
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Hmmmm, interesting logic here. Today we get reports from a variety of sources that the feds are reporting the activities of the Minutemen to the Mexican Government. The Minutemen themselves believe this is occuring and have made public statements in that regard.

The story is then refuted by the feds. We are now left to decide whom to believe.

And your argument that supports the feds is that I have been reported to be a horse thief.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


41 posted on 05/09/2006 9:52:51 PM PDT by fizziwig (Bushbotulism is a terrible thing to have....please get help..)
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To: NormsRevenge
Martinez did not immediately return a message left Tuesday by
The Associated Press, and an after-hours call to the Mexican embassy
in Washington, D.C., was not immediately returned.


Well, The Border Patrol declined to come on Lou Dobbs' show this evening.

The next couple of days should be interesting.
To see if The Border Patrol and The Mexican Embassy were stalling for
time to get their stories straight.
And were just too inept to respond quickly even if the truth is on
their side as regards the news story.
42 posted on 05/09/2006 9:56:17 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

I'm in let the dust settle mode myself.


44 posted on 05/09/2006 10:02:56 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge; All

This place is getting nuttier than a fruit cake.

There is exactly zero proof that this story was anything but wrong. I'm absolutely stunned that so many are still buying it, in spite of the fact that there is no corroborating evidince other than some paranoid rambling.

Let's face it, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidince," and claiming that the government it tipping the Mexican army off to what American citizens are doing is pretty friggin extraordinary.


45 posted on 05/09/2006 10:26:27 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: fizziwig

They all copied or paraphrased the original source. That happens all the time in journalism, you know that!


46 posted on 05/09/2006 10:27:26 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII

"I'm absolutely stunned that so many are still buying it, in spite of the fact that there is no corroborating evidince other than some paranoid rambling."
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Well, all we have are competing testimonies to what you term an "extroardinary event."

That aside, the fact that so many believe it...so many who voted FOR Bush in both elections, shows you how much trust has been lost by the Bush administration with its core supporters on the issue of illegal immigration.

If it had been a story about how Bush is giving aid to Al Queda....then the outcome of that would have been completely different. The story likely would have been laughed off of FR instread creating the frenzy that the Minuteman story created.


47 posted on 05/09/2006 10:36:18 PM PDT by fizziwig (Bushbotulism is a terrible thing to have....please get help..)
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To: NormsRevenge

Political heads would roll if true...Well....maybe not.


48 posted on 05/09/2006 10:41:56 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: fizziwig

People ought never become so emotionally invested in an issue that they throw aside common sense. :(


49 posted on 05/09/2006 10:42:58 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII

This place is getting nuttier than a fruit cake.

--

Life in general is, many would say.. FR doesn't have exclusitivity on FRuit cakes, by any means. The nature of the forum in this day and age draws them and leaping to conclusions like flies to stink.


50 posted on 05/09/2006 10:49:37 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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