Reducing Secondhand Smoke Would Slash Heart Disease Rates, Study Says

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[Ramius]

You mean the freedom to pollute the air with your toxic smoke?

That's the one. Sorta like your freedom to be somewhere else.

[markedman]

...and not breathing would reduce the chance of inhaling any airborne dust, mold spores and viruses.

[Jaysun]

Using a model to estimate the impact......

The global warming style "model" is always a nice touch. I don't smoke and I don't care to have it blown in my direction (smells bad) but the objective truth is that the second hand smoke scare is nonsense.

[supercat]

You mean the freedom to pollute the air with your toxic smoke?

If the owner of a bar doesn't mind people smoking therein, why should that be a concern of yours?

[Moonman62]

Because it's a business open to the public, that's why. For the same reason I want that business to be compliant with fire and health codes.

[Moonman62]

It's not the same, and that's why we see more regulation of smoking.

[Ramius]

Now if they are going to ban cigarettes

Though of course you know that'll never happen. Cigarette companies only make about 15 to 25 cents a pack... but states make a buck to a buck fifty or more per pack. They can't afford to ban them. They don't even really want usage to go down. They'd panic.

[markedman]

So don't buy in that store. The nanny state continued...

Where oh where is America, land of the free and home of the brave?

[Bronzy]

WHO Study on the Rush 24/7 stack of stuff says that there is no illness from second hand smoke. Uncomfortable and smelly but no direct harm.

[Bronzy]

WHO Study on the Rush 24/7 stack of stuff says that there is no illness from second hand smoke. Uncomfortable and smelly but no direct harm.

[Prokopton]

Next up - FAT PEOPLE!

What about ugly people. How can you enjoy a meal at a nice restaurant when your seated by some ugly person? They should at least have ugly sections. And what if they're wearing stinky perfume? Or garish clothes? Or have a grating voice? Jayne Meadows laughs always annoys me. And what about........

[BJungNan]

BS ALERT! BS ALERT!

[BJungNan]

You mean the freedom to pollute the air with your toxic smoke?

Are you a smoker?

[Bronzy]

Gee, I'm sorry. I posted x2. How did that happen? Geesh!

[Ramius]

yeah... like here in WA where they banned smoking in bars recently. Bars are going under all over.

The best sign was on the outside of a struggling bar somewhere north of Seattle: "Nonsmokers: Where ARE you?"

It's not about people that didn't want to be around smoke. They aren't going to such places even now that they're nonsmoking. It's merely about controlling the habits of others of which they smugly disapprove. It's about control.

[Windsong]

Its not a "scare" in the sense Y2K or Global Warming is a scare. Its just that other Conservatives dont want to inhale that nasty gunk when they're eating. And they shouldn't have to. Hope the police start ticketing them for it. Maybe then they'll think twice.

[Moonman62]

yeah... like here in WA where they banned smoking in bars recently. Bars are going under all over.

Most of the bars around me are non-smoking and business is great. Location seems to be the biggest predictor of success for a bar, just like other businesses.

[supercat]

Because it's a business open to the public, that's why. For the same reason I want that business to be compliant with fire and health codes.

If the bar owner wants to put up a sign saying "Moonman62 is not welcome here", can he not do so? If the bar owner does so, what would it matter to you whether he allows smoking?

If the owner of a business does want you to be there, you have no right to stay. Consequently, you have no right to demand that the owner of a business conduct his operations to your liking. If you wanted to argue that a business that allows smoking should post a sign on the door indicating the existence of possibly-harmful fumes inside, I might give you that. But nobody forces anyone to go into a smoky bar who doesn't want to.

[Ramius]

Because it's a business open to the public...

Tell you what... let's have one bar in town for people that want to smoke, and we can have another whole bar for smug power freaks... then we can both be happy. What say?

[Moonman62]

You need to form your own state, like Smoketana.