Skip to comments.DIGGING TO BYZANTIUM: Turkish Tunnel Project Unearths an Ancient Harbor
Posted on 05/10/2006 9:17:53 AM PDT by a_Turk
Workers digging a railway tunnel under the Bosporus Strait have uncovered the remains of a major Byzantine harbor that archaeologists say is a trove of relics dating back to Roman Emperor Constantine the Great.
The deepest underwater rail tunnel in the world will link Istanbul's Asian and European halves and ease bridge traffic across the Bosporus Strait. It may also be delayed by excited archaeologists. The tunnel, when it's finished, will end in a shining new railway station, the largest in Turkey -- a train and subway link surrounded by a 21st-century shopping center. Modern Turkish planners, though, weren't the first people in history to imagine the spot as a transport hub. The $4 billion tunnel project has uncovered a fourth-century harbor under the slums of Yenikapi, on the European side of Istanbul, and archaeologists excavating the area say it's a trove of relics dating back as far as Constantine the Great.
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Thanks for the post. Being Byzantine Catholic I find it very interesting.
Byzantine Catholic?........You must be VERY VERY old...........
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Treasure (Archaeology) Dig Threatens Bosphorus Rail Link
BBC | 5-2-2006 | Sarah Rainsford
Posted on 05/02/2006 2:44:06 PM EDT by blam
LOL.. There are still a few of us around. One of these days I'd love to visit turk's home country and see the Hagia Sophia.
No doubt once the archeologists have completed their work the relics will be placed in a museum or sent traveling around the world so that we can see a slice on Constantinople circa Constantine!
There was a show on History Channel on undergound cities. I got the impression it was to be a series, but only Istanbul has been aired so far. Absolutely fascinating. Remains of the Hippodrome, palaces, and vast cisterns completely intact. This particular harbor was a lagoon or inlet that silted in over time, and there had been many sunken vessels in the relatively shallow water. I just saw a rerun of it last week, so look for it if you are interested.
As is the case with many ancient harbors it probably silted up and was eventually filled. The geology of that area is fractured with faults and there is a history of quakes so there could have been a series of uplifts.
The Great Schism happened in the 11th century and so, this city was the center of the EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH ( and still is, by the way), NOT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.
Since the head of your church is the POPE in Roman not the Patriarch of Constaninople, you are not Eastern Orthodox and not even in Communion with them!
I could type a whole bunch but it has already been done for me. There is a good explanation here:
See, Hagia Sophia was A GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH!! In fact during a crusade by the Pope of Rome's army in the 13th century, the Church was sacked and many Eastern Orthodox Christians and their Priests were killed.
The Altar made with precious stones and many valuable golden Icons were stolen by the Roman Pope's army. But, then... A storm at sea caused the ship carring the valuable items back to Rome to sink and the Altar and all the Icons were lost!!
WHEN THE TURKS TOOK THE CITY CENTURIES LATER, they MESSED THE CHURCH UP AND TURNED INTO A MUSLIM PLACE AND DESTROYED MANY BEAUTIFUL FRESCOES AND KILLED MANY MORE CHRISTIANS!!
The Eastern Orthodox Church has tried to re-open their senminary on a an island near the city but the Turks will not allow it! RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN TURKEY IS NOT WHAT IT COULD BE. But, for a muslim country, at least they haven't killed another Orthodox Patriarch in quite a few years....
And, you all are NOT given the Eucharist in an Eastern Orthodox Church, anymore than a Baptist or a Methodist is allowed to do so.
At one time in the past, your group may have been Eastern Orthodox Christians but somehow, you all wound up in the Roman controlled sphere of the Pope in Rome. If that is what your folks wanted, well, that is AOK for you... but you all are really VERY different theologically from the Eastern Church.
When Constantine moved the capital from Rome to Byzantium/Constantinople/Istanbul there was no such thing as orthodox. This is where the "eastern rites" originated. The schism betweem the eastern and western churches occurred around 1000. We are left then with those who are in union with Rome (Byz Caths, Melkites, Ruthenians, etc.) and the Orthodox under the Patriarch.
LOL.. it's not meant to be a religious war dude.. the fact is that all eastern rites trace theirselves back to Constantinople and that is history we should all be interested in.
Take a deep breath and relax. Sounding frantic doesn't build solid arguments. No one is insulting the greek heritage, if that is what you are reacting to. Costantinople was a Byzantine capital, part of an empire that included many races, including the greeks. Now it is a turkish city. Deal with it, it's been 600 years.
600 years ??? The OPPRESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION IS NOW!!!
What are you? An apologist for anti-CHRISTIAN muslims TURKS???
PING to a thread on islamic Turkey!
The EU says Turkey needs to clean up its act in regard to FREEDOM OF RELIGION!
Put the Kool-Aid down, step away from the keyboard and take a deep breath. This thread originally started about a dig that has turned up an ancient harbor in Byzantium. I expressed my pleasure in seeing it because of interest towards my background. At that point you decided to make it a religious war. We have covered orthodoxy and islam. There are plenty of other threads to discuss these topics but this is not one of them. No, I am not an anti-christian apologist and would be more than happy to debate it with you, but not here in this thread as this is not the topic.
On paper, Turkey is secular democratic republic. In reality, it is as you have described.
I hope their tunnel project is a flop!
Take the place back and remove that rubbish they filled it with.
Hi there. Fun forum, as usual.
In some ways they are doing that.
"Due to its long history as both a church and a mosque, a particular challenge arises in the restoration process. The Christian iconographic mosaics are being gradually uncovered. However, in order to do so, important, historic Islamic art must be destroyed. Restorers have attempted to maintain a balance between both Christian and Islamic cultures. In particular much controversy rests upon whether the Islamic calligraphy on the dome of the cathedral should be removed, in order to permit the underlying Pantocrator mosaic of Christ as Master of the World, to be exhibited (assuming the mosaic still exists).
However, work has reportedly been purposely slow on the Hagia Sophia due to its important position and symbolism within the Eastern Orthodox Church. The Ecumenical Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church has claimed that the Turkish Government has denied offers to provide monetary assistance for the further restoration of Hagia Sophia in order to downplay its importance. Some Orthodox and Catholic Christians have gone so far as to demand the return of Hagia Sophia to the Orthodox Christian religion as a condition of Turkey's entry into the European Union."
Decent write up on wikipedia regarding it:
Any mention of Turkey, and attacks come flying.
The pavlovian response of haters is to bark at any stimulus, no matter how irrelevant it is to their agenda.
Dig for metro station uncovers long-lost port in IstanbulThey're calling the find the "Port of Theodosius," after the emperor of Rome and Byzantium who died in the year 395, and say the items they're digging up here could shed significant light on the commercial life of this ancient city. The excavations are being conducted in the Yenikapi area... So far, the archaeologists have found what they think might be a church, an old gate to the city and eight sunken ships, which archaeologist Cemal Pulak says he believes were all wiped out by a giant storm more than 1,000 years ago... Meanwhile, wall sections that are believed to be part of the Constantine Wall were unearthed in the western part of the excavation site, said Karamut. He added that underground graves dating to the fourth century were also unearthed in the same region.
Turkish Daily News
Thursday, June 22, 2006
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