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Undercover teens smoke out tobacco-sales scofflaws
The Salem News Online ^ | Thursday, May 11, 2006 | Chris Cassidy

Posted on 05/11/2006 3:19:12 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon

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1 posted on 05/11/2006 3:19:16 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
The German government used kids as undercover "agents" during the 30's and 40's.
2 posted on 05/11/2006 3:26:18 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Momaw Nadon

Isn't paying a underage person to get you cigarettes "contributing to the delinquency of a minor"?


3 posted on 05/11/2006 3:34:15 PM PDT by FReepaholic (I was FReepin' when FReepin' wasn't cool.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Had this tried on me numerous times when I was in college working at a C-Store. It's just part of the job.


4 posted on 05/11/2006 3:34:44 PM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

I meant to add that this type of sting was never done with beer sales. Not sure why.


5 posted on 05/11/2006 3:36:18 PM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

It's entrapment, and any conviction resulting from these nazi-like tactics should be struck down.


6 posted on 05/11/2006 3:36:20 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Momaw Nadon

$7.00 an hour, huh? Just enough to buy a six pack of beer.


7 posted on 05/11/2006 3:36:33 PM PDT by Hildy ("Whenever someone smiles at me all I see is a chimpanzee begging for its life." - Dwight Schrute)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Something isn't right.

"The girl had told him her mother was waiting in the car, the store clerk said."
....
"They're instructed never to lie, but they are given leeway."


8 posted on 05/11/2006 3:38:53 PM PDT by RussellStevens
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What about police posing as 14 year old girls online to catch predators? Those convcitions stick.


9 posted on 05/11/2006 3:40:19 PM PDT by Borges
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To: RussellStevens

Note that the clerk changed his story. It's entirely possible that he was lying.


10 posted on 05/11/2006 3:40:22 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
I have two sons and a daughter, and I must confess that at one time I actively worked at guiding them towards rewarding occupations requiring education, judgement, knowledge, discipline and reward.

That ruled out cheerleading and WAGS (Women and Gender Studies), and they all turned out successful and productive beyond all my expectations.

Not a hint of exaggerated importance of self or delusions about controlling others "for their own good". Being undercover sting agents, I must confess, never crossed my mind. Was not even on my long distance radar.

I feel like an abject failure!

11 posted on 05/11/2006 3:40:57 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: lesser_satan

I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing, but how is it different from prostitution and drug stings when the police use an undercover officer?


12 posted on 05/11/2006 3:41:42 PM PDT by AirForceBrat23
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To: Gay State Conservative
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13 posted on 05/11/2006 3:42:07 PM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: Momaw Nadon; traviskicks
A couple of little creeps indeed. It's a shame the politician's and their accomplices waste the tax payer's money trying to entrap businesses over a beer or a pack of smokes.
14 posted on 05/11/2006 3:42:59 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: lesser_satan
It's entrapment,

Only if the defendant can prove that he was not predisposed to commit the crime, and that he would have been unwilling to do it but for the intervention of the government.

and any conviction resulting from these nazi-like tactics should be struck down.

"Nazi-like?" Are you serious?

15 posted on 05/11/2006 3:43:38 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: FReepaholic

Apparently not if you wear a badge and a gun and have the power of the state behind you.


16 posted on 05/11/2006 3:43:58 PM PDT by Commander8 (Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Neighbors spying on neighbors to report anti-state behavior.


17 posted on 05/11/2006 3:45:47 PM PDT by ran15
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To: Momaw Nadon

This is going on in every state and has been forever for both tobacco and alcohol. Why shouldn't they do checks because otherwise these lamebrained clerks and retailers will sell sell sell anything to anybody. It's all about making a buck.


18 posted on 05/11/2006 3:52:49 PM PDT by applpie
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To: Gordongekko909
"Nazi-like?" Are you serious?

Not really. I'm just sick and tired of this stupid crap that equates cigarettes with cocaine, where we need "stings" to stop underage smoking. I don't really think the cops are acting like nazis; they're just doing their job and enforcing the law at the behest of idiot politicians. But the anti-tobbacco movement as a whole is nazi-like. Their Goebbles-esque propaganda campaign could have been written by Leni Riefenstahl or Sergei Eisenstein.

19 posted on 05/11/2006 3:53:09 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Nice little Hitler Youth so busy up in the People's Republic of Massachusetts.


20 posted on 05/11/2006 3:54:00 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (No program, no ideas, no clue: The democrats!)
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