Posted on 05/12/2006 5:53:14 AM PDT by jveritas
Document CMPC-2004-006626 dated November 11 2002 talks about a plan to develop MOBILE LABORATORIES. The document is from a company called Ibn Rushd which is subsidiary of the Iraqi Military Industrialization Commission (MIC). As many of us know, the debate about the Iraqi Mobile Laboratories has been going on for the over three years. The Iraq Survey Group (ISG) indicated in their 2004 report ( http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap6_annxC.html ) that the Iraqi Mobile Laboratories were used for agricultural purposes “Seed Purification Project” that concluded in 1997. In fact I found a document dated 1997 (Document CMPC-2004-005680 ) that talks about a Mobile Seed Laboratory. However the year 1997 indicated in the ISG report as the concluding phase of the “Seed Purification Project” and the Mobile Laboratories related to it can be an important date since this document about a plan to build Mobile Laboratories is dated November 2002. Also it is noteworthy to mention that Ibn Rushd the Iraqi MIC subsidiary was one of the companies suspected in developing Iraq Biological and Chemical Programs.
I will do a partial translation of document CMPC-2004-006626.
Beginning of the translation of page 1
In the name of God the Most Merciful the Most Compassionate
Presidency of the Republic
Military Industrialization Commission
Ibn Rushd General Company
Number 10025611018
Date 11/11/2002
To: Military Industrialization Commission/Department of Projects
Subject: Investment Plan for the year 2003
In regards from the letter singed with you on 12/10/2002 regarding our company investment plan to the year mentioned above, included is the technical report according to the letter showing its details below:
1. Develop and enlarge existing laboratories, 178,000,000 Dinars
2. Prepare MOBILE LABORATORIES , In Iraqi Dinar 128,413,00 + 273,445 Euros with 10 Dinar/Euro, 27,344,500, 155,757,500 Dinars.
Total 333,757,500 Dinars
Remark: The cost of the vehicles related to the Mobile Laboratories is not determined yet.
Please review and do what is necessary… with regards
Attachements:
1.Table fof quantity+ The plan related of developing the Laboratories
2. Signature… Noor Al Din Abed Al Hadi The General Director 11/11/2002 End of translation of page 1 Partial translation of page 2 Table of electrical equipments and devices of the Mobile Laboratory Partial translation of page 3 Table of electrical equipments and devices of the Mobile Laboratory Measurement device for the speed of vibration Measurement device for the speed of rotation Ultrasonic wave test device Different pressure measurement devices Mobile testing device for metals X-Ray testing device 20 Kilovolt electric generator End of partial translation of page 3
No kidding!:-)
They likely mean 20KW. This would equate to about a 80-100 amp continuous load with about a 120A peak. for most applications. It would be enough to run refrigeration/or small pumps, AC/Heat and general lighting, and would likely be a three phase output for added power reserve. It would be enough to power a couple of mobile labs.
Agree 100%, probably not even an error of translation, just one of the many spots where thier words don't exactly equate to ours. Still, in the absence of absolute proof, best to allow for both possibilities. I'm not aware of much lab equipment (good place to stop and point out the differecne between a lab, used for research, and a production facility, different beast all together) that runs on what is essentially transmission voltage, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I spoke with the chemist, he agrees, not enough info here to try to reconstruct intent and purpose. That said....the word "centrifuge" popped into our conversation a few times too many for my pleasure. Yes, no self respecting cascade fits into a truck, but a single unit for test purposes is a different matter altogether.
Packaged generators come preassembled for different apps. but never do they have a 20kv output.
To get that, you simply attach the required transformer.
This is the basics of it and it is important to understand that 20kv is a very dangerous voltage to play with. You need clearances and insulators between conductors so that the stuff does not jump between phases or to ground (several inches)and cause a explosion. I seriously doubt they would need anything that high, except for certain lab equipment, and in that case the power supply is feed with a normal 240VAC input and the voltages are created internally by the various power supplies built into the equipment.
A generator at a utility power plant, for example, has a output of less than 100 volts, usually down around 60 or less.. Everything else is done with transformers.
KVA (kilo volt amperes) is interchangeable with KW. and means essentially the same thing, 20 thousand watts potential at rated voltage, whatever that is, and the common international and industrial output is 240VAC in either single or 3 phase output.
Just as an FYI, I've posted this at CQ with some dot-connecting as an assist to some readers. Outstanding work as always, Joseph.
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/006981.php
Drop me a line sometime, love to do an interview with you.
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Captain's Quarter's Captain Ed says it much better than I ccould:
Saddam Was Into RVs (Updated And Bumped)
May 14, 2006
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Joseph Shahda has uncovered another document of interest from the files of intelligence captured by US forces during the fall of Saddam Hussein. This document addresses a still-controversial topic -- the mobile laboratories cited by Colin Powell as one of Saddam's WMD capabilities and discovered during the 2003 invasion. Later investigators determined these trailers to be hydrogen-gas production facilities although some experts still dispute that conclusion.
The document translated by Shahda does not provide many details itself, but does show that the project for which the labs were built attracted high-level interest for equipment supposedly only suitable for meteorological research:
Beginning of the translation of page 1...............................................................................................................................................
Nothing in this document says anything explicit about chemical or biological weapons. However, some disquieting indicators exist that tend to argue against the weather-balloon explanation we have so far heard about the trailers. First and foremost, the Military Industrialization Committee was not just an ordinary procurement board for the Saddam regime. It had primary responsibility for the Iraqi WMD program before the Gulf War, and presumably afterwards as well. Its director, Abdul Tawab el-Mullah Howeish held the position of Deputy Prime Minister, a Cabinet-level position.
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See post #87 & 88......CQ shows us why this document says much more than what is contained in the actual document!!!!!!!!!
See post #87 & 88......CQ shows us why this document says much more than what is contained in the actual document!!!!!!!!!
2002 Iraqi Document talks of plan for mobile laboratories
May 14, 2006
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Iraqdocs has translated the latest Iraqi document (CMPC-2004-006626) captured after the fall of the Saddam Hussein regime, written by a company called Ibn Rushd to the Iraqi Military Industrialization Commission (MIC).
Ibn Rushd General Company
Number 10025611018
Date 11/11/2002
To: Military Industrialization Commission/Department of Projects
Subject: Investment Plan for the year 2003
In regards from the letter singed with you on 12/10/2002 regarding our company investment plan to the year mentioned above, included is the technical report according to the letter showing its details below:
1. Develop and enlarge existing laboratories, 178,000,000 Dinars
2. Prepare MOBILE LABORATORIES , In Iraqi Dinar 128,413,00 + 273,445 Euros with 10 Dinar/Euro, 27,344,500, 155,757,500 Dinars. Total 333,757,500 Dinars
Remark: The cost of the vehicles related to the Mobile Laboratories is not determined yet.
The translator of the November 2002 document points out that the Iraqi Mobile Laboratories "were used for agricultural purposes 'Seed Purification Project' that concluded in 1997," and also highlights the fact that Ibn Rushd, the Iraqi MIC subsidiary, was one of the companies suspected in developing Iraq Biological and Chemical Programs.
Previous SWT Briefings on Iraqi Documents
Posted by C.S. Scott at May 14, 2006 02:21 AM
Prewardocs pingees, please see posts #87 and 88 for more info on the mobile labs.
Thanks for the heads up! This link is going out to my email lists to be transmitted far and wide.
I made an error it is KW not KV, you are right.
We must remember there is a difference between WMD and Saddam's posession of UN banned weapons.
We went to Iraq because of Saddam's failure to abide by the cease-fire agreement, which in my opinion meant that the 1st Gulf War never actually ended. Not only was he shooting at our planes but the UN instpectors (when they were allowed free access) continued to find UN banned weapons. The inspectors found them, they were not being handed over by Saddam's regime. I believe once Saddam saw that his UN banned weapons were not safe from the UN inspectors, it was then that he began to be less cooperative and began adding all the conditions and increased trickery to the UN inspectors up to the beginning of the war. After the invasion our troops continued to find UN banned weapons. Furthermore, in the post 911 world, Saddam's involvement with terrorists (ie $25,000 checks to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers) actually trumps everything written before this sentence.
I honestly do not remember Bush telling the American people that Saddam has WMD (he never had to, Saddam had used them on his own people). I do remember several speeches where Bush had said that we can not allow Saddam to posess Weapons Of Mass Destruction as he would be able to hold peace in the Middle East hostage and peace in the world. I've heard speeches where Bush had announced that if we allow Saddam time to develop and posess WMD it would change the politcal situation in the Middle East where Saddam would have an upper hand and be able to have more room to manipulate policy in the Middle East.
Yes, we all know what the democrats have said about WMD from 1998 on up to the beginning of the most recent war in Iraq. We have their quotes. We've posted them. We exposed them. Honestly, I remember the democrats claiming Saddam had WMD more than I can Bush ever doing so.
I have been trying to find these Bush speeches where he talked about how we cannot allow Saddam to posess WMD. Has the GOP postted them in text anywhere on the net?
I think it's time to contrast to the American people just what the dems had said about WMD with what I have heard Bush say about the dangers of giving Saddam time to develop them.
We did not go to Iraq because we thought he had WMD. If Bush had said that, I would have hesitated to support him sending in ground troops. The WMD issue was only a factor in the decision that we should go SOONER rather than wait until he already had them.
Now that we got the dems quotes out there...it's time we start searching for these pre-war Bush quotes.
My bad, it is 20 Kilo Volts, I just review the document again. But you may be right may be they have wrongly typed it KV when they really meant KW.
To get 30KV you would transform the Gen output with a step up and lose ampacity in the process but the obtainable potential voltage has few limits but the imagination.
"Vibration and rotation sound like something associated with mixing which would be critical to making binary chemical weapons ready for action"
I was thinking along those same lines. Doesn't sound like there's anything in there useful for "seed purification". These are the sorts of simple questions the U.N. should have been asking, and didn't.
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