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Gibson inspired by 'fear-mongering' Bush (Mel Gibson)
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Posted on 05/12/2006 8:55:00 AM PDT by doesnt suffer fools gladly

Film star and director Mel Gibson has launched a scathing attack on US President George W Bush, comparing his leadership to the barbaric rulers of the Mayan civilisation in his new film Apocalypto.

The epic, due for release later this year, captures the decline of the Maya kingdom and the slaughter of thousands of inhabitants as human sacrifices in a bid to save the nation from collapsing.

Gibson reveals he used present day American politics as an inspiration, claiming the government callously plays on the nation's insecurities to maintain power.

He tells British film magazine Hotdog, "The fear-mongering we depict in the film reminds me of President Bush and his guys".


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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Gibson must be affected temporarily by the B.O. of Danny Glover. Surely he will get over this and back to Conservatism and reality.


101 posted on 05/12/2006 9:21:41 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Sans-Culotte
His original idea to film The Passion in dead languages WITHOUT subtitles was nutty, too, IMO.

I watched The Passion again, this year, during Lent, thinking I just wasn't in to it last year.

I find it less than inspiring, with so much focus on the bloody scourging.

The Passion only makes sense in light of Jesus' entire life, and the flashbacks (some of which were pure fantasy) just weren't enough.

Ever seen Gibson do an interview? His nuttiness comes through loud and clear.

102 posted on 05/12/2006 9:21:42 AM PDT by sinkspur ( OK. You've had your drink. Now why don't you tell your Godfather what everybody else already knows?)
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To: Echo Talon
"Anything to sell tickets..."

Or not. Apparently.

103 posted on 05/12/2006 9:21:49 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Lord Washbourne

"Sure the terrorist threat is real, but people are much, much, much more likely to be harmed or killed by easily preventable things we mostly ignore, like automobile accidents or smoking.

If the terrorist threat was not just real but highly dangerous and serious, they would have long ago started blowing up railroad tank cars full of chlorine and other toxic inhalation hazards in urban areas. Doing this is as straight-forward as setting off a back-pack bomb, and there is absolutely zero security measures in place to prevent it. They would also be attacking completely unprotected systems to cause major mischief and chaos, such as the power grid, oil pipelines, fresh water supplies and farm irrgation channels.

If you've had your eyes open the past 5 years, you'll have noticed a massive increase in suspicion of ordinary Americans by the police (are WE the terrorist threat?), and a conjoined loss of simple freedoms (such as innocently taking pictures, dropping off large parcels on the postal counter or in a mailbox, anonymous travel, or meeting loved ones at the airport gate).

What the past 5 years have really shown is that government officers at all levels are deathly afraid of we the people."

My Lord, I disagree.

The terrorist cells in this country know they will have only one opportunity (albeit widespread and in many locations). Once they start striking, the authorities and no doubt some average citizens will start rounding them up.

In addition, it would be foolish to assume that there have not been significant interceptions and interdictions along the way.

The officers are not scared of 'we the people'. They are 'we the people' too.

Perhaps My Lord should get out more?


104 posted on 05/12/2006 9:22:00 AM PDT by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
I hope he doesn't become a doddering old nutter like his dad.

This won't help his box office.

105 posted on 05/12/2006 9:24:12 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Lord Washbourne

You want to see abject "fear" and real "police powers" then just wait til some islamic lunatic detonates a 6 kiloton device near the capitol building during a joint session of Congress. Do you even think about the potential cost of not trying to ferret out the jihadists among us?

Try to imagine what might happen to your freedom and civil rights were the above scenario ever to happen. You have not seen anything yet.....and I hope the President can overcome politics and such short-sightedness so you never have to.



PresdientFelon


106 posted on 05/12/2006 9:24:13 AM PDT by PresidentFelon (Reuter's Reporter Adam Entous beats his mother)
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To: God luvs America
I laugh how people calim President Bush uses fear as a tactic, especially the rats, who've used fear as a staple of their political strategy for years: To the poor: Vote Republican and you'll lose your welfare! To the Old: Vote Republican and you'll lose your medicare! To the blacks: Vote Republican and your churches will burn! To teachers: Vote Republican and you may be held accountable for your job!

Exactly.

107 posted on 05/12/2006 9:24:39 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: God luvs America

To teachers: Vote Republican and you may be held accountable for your job!>>>>

Actually that one is true.


108 posted on 05/12/2006 9:24:46 AM PDT by aft_lizard (....)
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To: Borges

Let me know when he does the Muhammad bio.


109 posted on 05/12/2006 9:24:55 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

depends what poll he believes...


110 posted on 05/12/2006 9:25:10 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: karnage
I need a job. I haven't done a movie since North & South and Dream West. I still think Gibson has been affected by the heat and Danny Glover's b.o. and will come back to sanity. Nobody bats 1000%.
111 posted on 05/12/2006 9:25:26 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: blueminnesota

>>Gibson is insane, pure and simple.<<

And once again, Southpoark is ahead of the curve


112 posted on 05/12/2006 9:25:52 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: Captain Kirk
He is an antiwar conservative

What's an antiwar conservative? Does that mean you don't fight back when attacked? Cowardly morons such as he can only get more Americans killed.

113 posted on 05/12/2006 9:26:12 AM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: Sans-Culotte
His original idea to film The Passion in dead languages WITHOUT subtitles was nutty, too, IMO.

I'm probably alone in this, but it bugged me that he had the Romans speaking Latin rather than Greek. Greek was the universal language of the eastern Mediterranean. Just about everybody spoke it, at least to some extent, as did all upper-class Romans. So the Romans would have used Greek to communicate with their Jewish subjects.

OTOH, Latin sounds very cool.

114 posted on 05/12/2006 9:26:24 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: DoctorMichael
This reminds me of Anne Coulter's jumping-the-shark moment with regards to her blind acceptance of absurd ID/Creationism.

What? Try to stay on topic Doc.

115 posted on 05/12/2006 9:27:30 AM PDT by subterfuge (Call me a Jingoist, I don't care...)
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To: Rider on the Rain; Captain Kirk

I think he meant anti-Iraq war. I know plenty.


116 posted on 05/12/2006 9:28:10 AM PDT by madconservative (Founding member of the Constantinople Liberation Organization.)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

As Mel veers into irrelevancy.


117 posted on 05/12/2006 9:28:16 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Captain Kirk

I'm very disapointed w/ his comments.

He is still one of my favorite actors.


118 posted on 05/12/2006 9:28:19 AM PDT by Scribbz (Navy brat and proud! My dad has more stripes on his butt than you do on your arm!)
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To: karnage

Never could make it through any of Mel's "films", except The Passion of the Christ. And I knew how that one was going to turn out.

Braveheart was so tedious it hurt my head.


119 posted on 05/12/2006 9:29:50 AM PDT by subterfuge (Call me a Jingoist, I don't care...)
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To: subterfuge
".....What? Try to stay on topic Doc....."

I am.

121 posted on 05/12/2006 9:30:20 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Lord Washbourne

You are assuming that terrorists are rational. They aren't. They want to do theatrical things like 9/11, even when less dramatic attacks would be more militarily effective.

For instance, two guys operating as a sniper team pretty well shut down the DC area for several weeks a few years ago.

Imagine 50 sniper teams across America. Activate team 1 in DC today. Activate team 2 in LA tomorrow. Activate team 3 in Chicago the day after that. It wouldn't take long for panic to set in.

And all you need is 100 guys who can drive and shoot.


122 posted on 05/12/2006 9:30:51 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: madconservative

Who is plenty?


123 posted on 05/12/2006 9:31:13 AM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

ill watch the movie (DVD) i really like his stuff.


tough to nail this dude down to one stable thought though....must be why he can make that one crazy face he does


124 posted on 05/12/2006 9:32:36 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com/)
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To: Rider on the Rain

I meant antiwar with regard to Iraq, just like most people on this site were antiwar with regard to Kosovo. Gibson isn't a pacifist but he is against Wilsonian crusades to bring "liberty" to the every corner of the planet. Conservatives used to feel the same way when Clinton was in power.


126 posted on 05/12/2006 9:34:17 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Lord Washbourne
Re: terrorist threat = smoking.

First of all, to make this comparison is a slap in the face to all families and loved ones of 9/11 and all other attacks against innocents around the world.

Second, it's a weak attempt to bury your head in the sand, attempting to dismiss the death of innocent people as acceptable.

Third, and perhaps most disturbing, it attempts to excuse malice.

Katrina didn't plot, plan, rehearse and carry out the slaughter of innocent people, but the 9/11 terrorists did.

Cigarettes do not plot, plan, rehearse and carry out the slaughter of innocent people, but the 9/11 terrorists did.

To knowingly, willingly and intentionally breach the worlds most widely recognized civil right, the right to continue to live should not, and can not be accepted by any nation.

Does the right to life mean anything to you?

127 posted on 05/12/2006 9:34:47 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: discostu
Simply put - It was no good. In general I like the story of Jesus, but this was torture to watch and not at all inspiring (of course I am agnostic). I really wanted to go to the movie to piss off the libs and stick it to Hollywood.

I think this whole thing has been a set up. Get the Christians on Mel's side, then let him blast Bush. Then people might say, "Even Gibson thinks Bush is bad, I guess I don't like Bush now."
128 posted on 05/12/2006 9:35:06 AM PDT by Codeflier (Implement Loser Pays)
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To: Echo Talon

Looks like Mel's been hangin out a bit too much with his politically derranged 'Lethal' partner, Danny Glover

130 posted on 05/12/2006 9:37:42 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: dinoparty
"I couldn't bring myself to like "The Passion"."

Thanks! You described my reaction to the movie.

Carolyn

132 posted on 05/12/2006 9:39:10 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Most actors aren't normal people. Think about it - what they do for a living - as adults - is pretend to be other people. You shouldn't look to actors or musicians as people to emulate or even admire. Just be glad that you're not them.


133 posted on 05/12/2006 9:43:20 AM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
It might be helpful to have actual, agreed upon quotes from Mr. Gibson before we condemn him. If he actually said what is alleged, surely he needs to reflect on what and why he said what he did.

Presumably, Mr. Gibson's egregious insults surely were designed to do something. Insulting POTUS can always get you publicity; however, Mr. Gibson hardly needs to manipulate for attention.

More likely Mr. Gibson strives for both moral superiority and enduring respect and approval from those he considers meritorious. I guess Hollywood cronies and liberals are more important to him than anticipated.

If the comments are true, then, Mr. Gibson has manipulated for approval by besmirching POTUS. It Does not take much courage or intelligence to call a person names. So congratulations Mr. Gibson. You have told us more about you than you have about President Bush.

135 posted on 05/12/2006 9:45:42 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

"Film star and director Mel Gibson has launched a scathing attack on US President George W Bush, comparing his leadership to the barbaric rulers of the Mayan civilisation in his new film Apocalypto."

Hmmm, I'm not quick to believe anything a rag from the UK prints.


136 posted on 05/12/2006 9:45:48 AM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: subterfuge

>>This reminds me of Anne Coulter's jumping-the-shark moment with regards to her blind acceptance of absurd ID/Creationism.

What? Try to stay on topic Doc.<<

I think his point was that just because somebody is on your side doens't stop them from going off the deep end.


137 posted on 05/12/2006 9:46:59 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: Captain Kirk
"...hates foreign quagmires."

Don't you think ALL of us hate foreign quagmires?( Well, except maybe in France)

As you posted earlier, he is antiwar, and if I recall correctly, he is and always has been opposed to the liberation of Iraq! That tells me all I need to know about Mr. Gibson.

As for "fear-mongering," President Bush can't win. He was vilified for NOT preventing 9/11, yet if those would-be hijackers had been detained before getting on the planes, I can't even imagine what the ENEMEDIA and the DemocRats would have accused President Bush of!

President Bush IS NOT the enemy!

140 posted on 05/12/2006 9:49:40 AM PDT by jan in Colorado (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum (If you wish for peace, prepare for war.))
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

I can't entirely disagree with Mel on this one, even though I don't know what his agenda is.

The WOT has been center stage the star of the show, even though we still don't have Ben Laden, as our borders are open by government invitation, diasterous international agreements intered into, and the man behind the curtain slips by several personal agendas.


141 posted on 05/12/2006 9:50:00 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Denver Ditdat

You are right of course. Mea culpa.


142 posted on 05/12/2006 9:50:17 AM PDT by blau993
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To: Lord Washbourne
If the US Government really wanted to ferret out jihadists, it'd deport all Muslims to their country of origin.

Including American citizens? The tactics you describe are a far more egregious infringement on the rights of U.S. citizens then anything previously done.
143 posted on 05/12/2006 9:51:40 AM PDT by Borges
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

I have my problems with Bush, but Gibson is beginning to look like just another Hollyweird looney with a religious streak.


144 posted on 05/12/2006 9:52:03 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
Disspointed to hear that - but at second glance it doesnt seem to be the slap that some will portray it as. The analogy seems to be in reverse.

The indigenous Mayans were conquered by the more advanced Spanish. A Mayan leader in the film analogous to the President would be someone rightly trying to defend the Mayans from the Spanish.

Todays situation is the opposite - the poorer third world countries are pushing back and into wealthier Europe and the United States.

If he wants to comment on the President's leadership style - I dont agree but much better that Gibson does it in a subtle way via a historical tale, than a ridiculously blatant character assasination propaganda of Michael Moore.

145 posted on 05/12/2006 9:52:32 AM PDT by rjp2005
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To: Echo Talon

I wonder if he wasn't talking about Reid, Pelosi, Kerry, AlGore, Kennedy, Dean, etc. etc. etc. etc.


146 posted on 05/12/2006 9:52:33 AM PDT by eaglesiniowa
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To: marron

Good old Mel made his quarter billion dollars off our backs with the "Passion" Now he can afford to piss us off, and get back into the good graces of Leftist Hollyweird


147 posted on 05/12/2006 9:52:38 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: ZULU

More of a religious looney with a Hollywood streak.


148 posted on 05/12/2006 9:52:38 AM PDT by Borges
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To: dinoparty

That was not the implication at all. If you look closely, the table used by the Roman while Jesus is being lashed looks like the table Jesus made.


149 posted on 05/12/2006 9:52:39 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
Do we even know this-(supposedly Gibson's comments) to be true?
150 posted on 05/12/2006 9:53:27 AM PDT by Guenevere
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