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Gibson inspired by 'fear-mongering' Bush (Mel Gibson)
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Posted on 05/12/2006 8:55:00 AM PDT by doesnt suffer fools gladly

Film star and director Mel Gibson has launched a scathing attack on US President George W Bush, comparing his leadership to the barbaric rulers of the Mayan civilisation in his new film Apocalypto.

The epic, due for release later this year, captures the decline of the Maya kingdom and the slaughter of thousands of inhabitants as human sacrifices in a bid to save the nation from collapsing.

Gibson reveals he used present day American politics as an inspiration, claiming the government callously plays on the nation's insecurities to maintain power.

He tells British film magazine Hotdog, "The fear-mongering we depict in the film reminds me of President Bush and his guys".


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To: marron

Geez! So you differ with him on one issue, and you're not going to his movie over that? Damn. Conservative do eat our own, don't we?


151 posted on 05/12/2006 9:54:22 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
I'm going to have to see this from more than one source. This is from the British magazine "Hot Dog" with a stock photo of him from an awards ceremony. Not that reporters would make stuff up or distort an interview, but this is pretty diametrically opposed to everything I've ever read from Gibson.
152 posted on 05/12/2006 9:55:14 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (I like to make everyone's day a little more surreal)
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To: All
I still like his movies and will continue to see them.


153 posted on 05/12/2006 9:55:55 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Hey People, WAKE UP!! Mel Gibson is but an actor the last time I looked. Why in the hell any of you put strong beliefs in what he says or believes in, is stupid. I'm a carpenter, do you care what I think? I doubt it.


154 posted on 05/12/2006 9:55:57 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: 7thson

Well, if it wasn't the implication, then:

1) Many many reviewers (some sympathetic to the movie) were misled just like me; and
2) The scene (along with most of the scenes with Mary the Mother of Jesus) was nonetheless stupid and not believable.


155 posted on 05/12/2006 9:56:27 AM PDT by dinoparty
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To: All
Mel Gibson was NEVER a supporter of Present Bush.

Mr. Gibson is against abortion so many just assumed he supported President Bush.

156 posted on 05/12/2006 9:57:09 AM PDT by jan in Colorado (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum (If you wish for peace, prepare for war.))
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To: Lord Washbourne
9/11 was a theatrical show meant to demonstrate power and capability, not to terrorize.


This is one of the most foolish things I've read in a while. And manifestly you aren't embarrassed. But you should be.
157 posted on 05/12/2006 9:57:36 AM PDT by macamadamia (insert pretentious latin phrase here _________________________________)
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To: monkapotamus

Ugh, I forgot about the movie about the aliens coming to the cornfields. (What was it called?) Ugh, that was a terrible movie, IMHO.


158 posted on 05/12/2006 9:59:04 AM PDT by dinoparty
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To: dinoparty

Signs


159 posted on 05/12/2006 9:59:31 AM PDT by Borges
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To: fish hawk

"I'm a carpenter, do you care what I think? I doubt it."

Actually I'd probably put more stock in what you have to say, than an out of touch Hollywood actor, no matter how good or conservative some of his films have been.


160 posted on 05/12/2006 10:00:44 AM PDT by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

The Passion of the Tinfoil?


161 posted on 05/12/2006 10:01:25 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Awestruck

The words 'out of touch hollywood actor' seemed joined the hip to many. Is there a Hollywood actor who is 'in touch'? Or is it just a comment that extreme wealth makes one out of touch?


162 posted on 05/12/2006 10:02:01 AM PDT by Borges
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To: DAC21

Actually, he marches to his own drummer and doesn't care about narrow left and right categories. If he really wanted to cater to "Hollyweird," he would haven't have made a movie that dares to criticize American Indians.


164 posted on 05/12/2006 10:02:32 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Lord Washbourne

There are no Constititonal means to deport American citizens not convicted of a crime at all. Much less based on a religious test.


165 posted on 05/12/2006 10:04:08 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Lord Washbourne

The eastern Mediterranean had been largely Greek in culture (Hellenistic) for several centuries in Christ's time. It is pretty well established that all except the peasants in all these countries spoke Greek in addition to whatever language was native to them.

The legions at this point were by no means purely Italian any more. They were more often composed of subject volunteers from various groups who received Roman citizenship as one of the perks when retiring. For many, perhaps most, Latin was not their native language, although it was still the language of command used in the army. I would strongly suspect that Greek was much more widely used in the civil administration, as the (educated) Romans rulers all spoke it and so would the (educated) Jews and other subject peoples with whom they had to deal.

So when Jesus and Pilate spoke, it was probably in Greek, if only because if they had spoke in Latin most of the observers wouldn't have known what was going on.

Greek was a nearly universal language in the East. That's why the entire NT was written in it. Educated Jews all spoke and read Greek, and so did educated people from all other groups in the area.


167 posted on 05/12/2006 10:06:05 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
thanks for this post..........the closest thing to human sacrifice in America today is abortion on demand.

Thousands of years ago, in the old world, and later in the new world, there was human sacrifice.........for better health, better crops, better yadda, yadda, yadda.

same same today........most abortions are for convience and to save the money that would be spent on carrying to term, clothes, food, shelter, child care, education, and medical for the human being..........thus leaving more money for the adult(s) to spend on better "health", better "crops", etc., etc., etc.

as in the days of old.........folks think they are getting ahead by sacrificing their young for fill in the blank.........it was wrong then, and it is wrong now........it's time for Mel to do a flick on abortion, if he has the guts.

As far as his Bush comment(s)..........it's a volunteer army, Mel, and we are in a world wide war with an enemy more dangerous, and in larger numbers than Hitler and his armies. I actually thought Mel was a lot smarter than that. Looks like I was wrong again.

168 posted on 05/12/2006 10:06:22 AM PDT by AwesomePossum
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To: gondramB
I think his point was that just because somebody is on your side doens't stop them from going off the deep end.

No, his reason for posting was to disparage Christianity and Ann Coulter and he went way off topic to do it. The thread is not about Ann Coulter.

169 posted on 05/12/2006 10:08:37 AM PDT by subterfuge (Call me a Jingoist, I don't care...)
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To: wideawake
He's not butt kissing. He believes it. I just read an article in the Weekly Standard about Junkyard Prophets and they think the same thing.

So if Dubya has the whole world ticked at him, he must be doing something right.

170 posted on 05/12/2006 10:09:22 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
Fearmongering? I got your "fearmongering" right HERE!
171 posted on 05/12/2006 10:10:00 AM PDT by Smedley
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To: Oztrich Boy
Gibson is insane, pure and simple.

Matt Stone and Trey Parker said that last year, but did anybody listen?

We didn't listen!

172 posted on 05/12/2006 10:10:38 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Just another Hollywood idiot. Mel, I had thought more highly of you.


173 posted on 05/12/2006 10:11:15 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: dinoparty
the scene that implied that Jesus the carpenter invented the table-chair combo

As God, there should have been a scend of Him inventing Velcro.

174 posted on 05/12/2006 10:12:34 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Tribune7; Justanobody
So if Dubya has the whole world ticked at him, he must be doing something right.

EXACTLY!

175 posted on 05/12/2006 10:13:10 AM PDT by jan in Colorado (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum (If you wish for peace, prepare for war.))
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Oh crap, there goes another actor I enjoyed.


176 posted on 05/12/2006 10:13:41 AM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Awestruck
Gibson's politics, with me, have no more importance than Alec Baldwins. On the other hand Gibson has made some memorable movies and also starred in them where as the only movie I thought Alec was any good in was " Red October", and he didn't make that film. We need to keep peoples personal politics separate from their careers.
178 posted on 05/12/2006 10:15:14 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: StrictTime

I don't think Gibson is trying to get back in with his Hollywood pals. He is with me on the most important thing: Christ and His atonement for my sin. But I don't think he ever agreed with us on the war to begin with.


179 posted on 05/12/2006 10:16:05 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
MEL GIBSON my question to you is WHY DID YOU REFUSE TO PAY THE MAN WHO WROTE 'THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST?' Are you a greedy man?
180 posted on 05/12/2006 10:16:06 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
a scathing attack on US President George W Bush, comparing his leadership to the barbaric rulers of the Mayan civilisation in his new film Apocalypto.

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181 posted on 05/12/2006 10:16:09 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Captain Kirk
he would haven't have made a movie that dares to criticize American Indians.

Wow! I hadn't heard that! Has it been released yet?

182 posted on 05/12/2006 10:17:23 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (We want our day: A day without hearing SPANISH ...)
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To: cripplecreek
The book was much better.

But flakiness aside, I like Mel.

183 posted on 05/12/2006 10:17:24 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Obadiah; mlc9852
The Passion did not leave out the resurrection. The movie ends with a shot of the risen Christ as He is leaving the tomb.
184 posted on 05/12/2006 10:17:38 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Junior; doesnt suffer fools gladly
Conservative do eat our own, don't we?

According to Gibson, we do, and thats the inspiration for his new movie.

I'm getting short tempered in my old age. It gets harder and harder for me to listen to these jaybirds insulting me, and then go down to the multiplex to give them my money.

Feel free, Gibson's a tremendous film maker, I have no doubt this will be a good film.

185 posted on 05/12/2006 10:17:53 AM PDT by marron
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To: blueminnesota
He is a good looking, talented actor/director who has a propensity for rants.

Which basically means he is pretty much the same as most in Hollywood, but slightly more independent.
186 posted on 05/12/2006 10:18:02 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
Bush's terrible poll numbers reflect a deepening crisis for Republicans, and the remarks of the solid, respectable Gibson are simply another aspect of that.

George Bush dragged us into a war precipitously without DEMANDING that real, incontroverible proof of WMDs be put on his desk before American blood was spilt over their purported existence, has failed to nail Osama or Zawahiri -- the actual perpetrators of 911 -- in the almost five years (longer than WWII) since that sad date, has put forward doctrines that NO conservative should be comfortable with, (i.e., pre-emptive war and Wilsonian nation building), has expanded government recklessly with both social programs and privacy intrusions, has failed to secure our borders and indeed treats citizenship as a negligible status, and has generally mauled the English language on a daily basis.

Other freepers may continue to find some saving grace in the man and his administration, but not me.

187 posted on 05/12/2006 10:18:38 AM PDT by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Isn't "Apocaloco" entirely is some Mayan dialect?

With subtitles in Aramaic.

188 posted on 05/12/2006 10:18:48 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Zack Nguyen

So I have been told. Apparently I fell asleep during it (I did find it very boring) and missed the end.


189 posted on 05/12/2006 10:18:55 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: HairOfTheDog

Heh, sometimes when you try to pigeon hole people into nice tidy boxes, it ends up biting you on the ass.


190 posted on 05/12/2006 10:19:09 AM PDT by ecurbh (Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Beckwith
Oh crap, there goes another actor I enjoyed.

I apply the same dictum to conservatives as with liberals: "Shut up and sing".

191 posted on 05/12/2006 10:19:13 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (We want our day: A day without hearing SPANISH ...)
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To: Lord Washbourne
Are you terrorized by the thought of more planes running into buildings? I'm not. Ain't going to happen again.



Whether I'm terrorized or not has nothing to do with the stupidity of your statement. You wrote:

9/11 was a theatrical show meant to demonstrate power and capability, not to terrorize.

You wrote "meant." You are addressing the terrorists' intentions. Not how Americans respond to terrorism. Asserting that the 911 terrorists did not mean to terrorize is, unquestionably, one of the most foolish things I've read in a while. Your reasoning is asinine.
192 posted on 05/12/2006 10:20:18 AM PDT by macamadamia (insert pretentious latin phrase here _________________________________)
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To: BunnySlippers

Last time I looked Mayans were American Indians.


193 posted on 05/12/2006 10:22:24 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: DoctorMichael
This reminds me of Anne Coulter's jumping-the-shark moment with regards to her blind acceptance of absurd ID/Creationism.

Not this again....Do you realize how absurd it is to read a criticism of another's acceptance of intelligent design, from someone who has swallowed the whole loaf of baloney of naturalist-materialism-based agenda-driven Darwinism? You look like a fool.

194 posted on 05/12/2006 10:22:51 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: subterfuge; DoctorMichael

Me: I think his point was that just because somebody is on your side doens't stop them from going off the deep end.

subterfuge: No, his reason for posting was to disparage Christianity and Ann Coulter and he went way off topic to do it. The thread is not about Ann Coulter.
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well, I don't want to take the thread further off track...

But you raised a point I feel compelled to respond to. Taking a shot at a Christian is not automatically the taking a shot at Christianity.


195 posted on 05/12/2006 10:23:08 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: Kenny Bunkport
"......You look like a fool......"

The observation is then mutual.

196 posted on 05/12/2006 10:27:24 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!)
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To: wideawake

Why would he have to kiss Hollywood's butt after "The Passion of the Christ"? Wasn't it one of the biggest grossing films of the year? Didn't it make him even more powerful? I'm curious to see if he's bashed here for speaking out against Bush while overseas, ala The Dixie Chicks.


197 posted on 05/12/2006 10:28:39 AM PDT by eddie65
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To: ecurbh
Heh, sometimes when you try to pigeon hole people into nice tidy boxes, it ends up biting you on the ass.

Every time :~D

198 posted on 05/12/2006 10:29:46 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: pollyannaish
Good-looking??!! :-o

I prefer tall, dark and clean-cut. I would add sane, but we are talking about actors here. Oh well,tastes differ ;-)

199 posted on 05/12/2006 10:30:54 AM PDT by blueminnesota
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To: Junior
Mel Gibson is to a great extent the son of his father, Hutton Gibson, an American with an Australian mother, who was a radical traditionalist Catholic even before Vatican II. He left the United States with his sons during the Vietnam War era so that they could avoid being drafted in what the elder Gibson thought was an anti-Catholic war. (Remember that the Catholic President of South Vietnam was assassinated in 1963 with U.S. complicity.)

A good source of the political ideology of many (though not all) traditionalist Catholics is the Web site, www.lewrockwell.com. Many of the contributors, such as Web master and editor Lew Rockwell, and scholars Joseph Sobran, Thomas DiLorenzo, and Thomas Woods, are traditionalist Catholics who are libertarians in the area of politics and, with regard to foreign affairs, more isolationist than Robert Taft or Patrick Buchanan ever were. Other traditionalist Catholics, such as Christopher Ferrara, a New Jersey attorney specializing in pro-life matters, believe the extreme governmental minimalism and the entirely secular character of Austrian economics of this group contradict historic Catholic social teachings. However, Ferrara is also isolationist. Some traditionalists, such as Hutton Gibson, inclined to be anti-Israel, if not outright anti-Semitic. (For example, Hutton Gibson denies that there were gas chambers at the Nazi concentration camps.)

Mel Gibson is quite different in his beliefs from others in the non-liberal minority in Hollywood. Until he directed The Passion of the Christ, he never generated the scorn of the Hollywood Left like Charlton Heston or Tom Selleck did.

200 posted on 05/12/2006 10:34:02 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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