Posted on 05/12/2006 5:47:27 PM PDT by ohioWfan
Just got on here and will find the 6 mil figure of people returned to Mexico, but if you find the transcript of the President speech last night, he said it, too. Actually the figure might be on the WH website, that might be where I saw it earlier.
I want to thank you for putting this thread out.
I much prefer debate on issues rather over name calling.
I think there is a lot to this issue. There are several things that I support, but that does not mean that I will not read or listen and consider other options. Sometimes those other options aren't very good, but they may spark an idea in someone else.
You really ought to read through a guy's posts before calling him a troll.
kerryusama04 is not a troll. His name is obviously equating a vote for Kerry as a vote for Osama. I doubt that it was lost on you but seeing that he doesn't have a golden image of the President that he prostrates himself before like you makes him a troll in your eyes.
You attack anyone unmercifully that deviates from "Bush is God".
I don't have you figured out yet. I am unable to discern if you really are a hardcore Bush groupie or a RNC plant.
Run along now and whine to the mods like before...
You nailed it, there is plenty of room for them in the Reform Party after their isolationist hero destroyed it.
Pray for W and Our Troops
Perhaps not evil but they are law breakers. I have owned businesses and could have hired illegals, paid them under the table, and saved myself much money. I chose not to and suffered for it.
As far as solutions: We need to remove close to half the Republican Senators, in the primaries, and we need to start prosecuting business owners for hiring illegals. Thousands of business owners. Current law mandates steep fines. If there is no job magnet to draw people they will be much less tempted to sneak across the border. I also think we will probably need a real fence along the southern border, but I'm willing to wait to see what the effects of actual enforcement would be.
This will be America's last chance. If we do not get control now we will lose all control over who is in this country.
Deport the illegal felons, the illegal alien gangmembers, and get rid of the anchor baby provision where any illegal who has a kid here the baby is given instant citizenship.
Don't use the word "deportation" since everyone goes ballistic. Let's just "repatriotize" back to their country of origin, the illegals who are now in our country.
PENALIZE with jail sentences and huge fines the CEO's who are addicted to cheap illegal alien labor.
NO AMNESTY, NO GUEST WORKER PROGRAM. BUILD A PHYSICAL WALL ON THE ENTIRE BORDER. ENFORCE THE IMMIGRATION LAWS ON THE BOOKS.
Make Bush renounce his "North American Union" agreement he made with Mexico and Canada behind our backs in 2005 which is just NAFTA on steroids. Bush has done nothing to protect this border since he took office and his attorney general's loyalities are with Mexico, not the U.S.
"But time after time, from the Schiavo debacle to Harriet Miers and the port mess, some Conservatives began leveling broadsides against Bush and they have not let up for a minute."
I think those were areas of genuine disagreement. But some have used them as an excuse to continue to hurl invectives against the President, which is different from sincere differences and/or constructive criticism.
"I don't know what they think they are going to change. Republicans as a whole, have had enough of it. We see a fissure developing that most of us had hopes would go away in time, as the second term started, but they have lame duck'd him after the first few months. They know who Bush is! They know what he thinks and that he rarely gives in to pressures. They know he is the most steadfast and solid president in memory."
The fissure between conservatives and moderates in the party has always been there you know that, and it widens and narrows depending on the events of the day. Regarding your last sentence, Reagan was quite solid and steadfast as well.
"Yet they keep on throwing crap at him and the media is loving it."
We can't and shouldn't stop disagreements because the press is watching. However, beating up on the president to release anger and frustration is most destructive, I agree.
"Those are not Republicans in my book. They are rabble rousing political crap throwers who will destroy any political party they get involved in. They did it to the old Perot party, and they messed up the Constitution party as well."
I dealt with a number of people like those you describe long before I ever got on the internet. But many conservatives see themselves as conservatives first, Republicans second.
"What this does is cause them to be isolated and dismissed and the party will likely do so as we near the '08 cycle. Rather than a front seat, they will get the bleachers, and a few scraps from time to time, but the general mood I'm getting from the broken glass contingent that I belong to, is that they caused far more harm then good to the party as a whole."
From my perspective all the various groups and factions have caused harm to the party and to the conservative cause. Like most conservatives, I am a conservative FIRST but one who believes the Republican Party is where conservatives will be the most successful in promoting their agenda. Thus, I wish to keep the party in good, strong shape. BTW, Laura Ingrahm has also said many times she is a conservative first and was one of those who believed Terri's life was worthwhile and urged people to call the Whitehouse to protest Miers' nomination. I'd say of all the pundits, I probably agree with her most.
Many times Laura civilly disagrees with this administration, but she doesn't constantly vent her rage at them, and that's the difference between her and Republicans such as those you describe.
The heck she doesn't. I stopped listening to her about a year ago, when the invectives she was hurling against the President became intolerable to me. And I had been a faithful daily listener for over a year.
Perhaps you are confusing Laura with Michael Savage?
As much as I admire President Reagan, who is at the top of my list of heroes along with several others, I would never describe my self (then or now) as a REAGANBOT. I would never describe myself as an ANYONEBOT or a BOT period. And I wouldn't want anyone describing themselves as an ADAMSBOT (not that there is ever a chance of THAT happening, LOL!). I don't understand that kind of thinking.
The primary difference between us, is that I am a Republican first and conservative second. I suppose that infuriates many of the Conservatives on this site and I try to understand their/your view, but my view is that politics is more of a art form and a skill set. It is not considered to be personal or a stand alone philosophy. It is a impersonal, and sometimes nasty game of positioning and manipulation to achieve common goals, those being the Conservative Party Platform, as a general rule.
We can only get there through politics and lobbying, and yes, there are compromises to be not only expected, but necessary.....Absolutely necessary.
This is where the split in the so called republican base originates, and it is not something that can be eliminated. It is the essence of a political party and it is what Republicans and Demorats do. It is what it is.
You can't throw the baby out with the bathwater on this topic. RINO's, CINO's and all these other euphemisms are simply not productive, and since you mentioned Reagan, his best quote on this subject is "Thou shall not be critical of fellow Republicans."
We need to be able to separate the inside baseball and debate on principle from the Party, and it's purpose. The die hard Conservative cannot seem to differentiate and make all this personal. You can't run a political party in that way if large numbers of people piss off large numbers of people within the confines of the political party.
This is what I find so frustrating. I can easily find justifications in compromises, as long as we continue to move the Conservative ball forward.
I am frustrated by those who cannot compromise anything, and therefore are not really understanding what politics is all about. I fear, and actually expect that we will end up with nothing as a result or even worse, we could lose everything or most everything gained.
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