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Rock Chunk Falls From Mount St. Helens
AP on Yahoo ^ | 5/12/06 | Peggy Andersen - ap

Posted on 05/12/2006 9:26:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

SEATTLE - The sheer rock fin emerging in Mount St. Helens' crater lost about a third of its northern face recently, but because lava keeps pushing to the surface, the height remained the same Thursday — around 330 feet.

A burst of seismic activity at the mountain Sunday night likely corresponded to the collapse. "Certainly a big piece fell off — something like 65,000 cubic yards," said geologist Dan Dzurisin at the Cascades Volcano Observatory in Vancouver, Wash., about 50 miles from the mountain and 150 miles south of Seattle.

Bad weather had iced over scientists' cameras on the rim of the volcano, so the rockfall wasn't recorded on film, he said.

Now the fin is about the same height as it was before, but rock that was previously in the middle is now at the top.

"At that height, it becomes unstable and ... begins to collapse under gravity," he said. Boulders and finer rubble from the crumbling top surround the base of the fin.

This is the seventh rock feature formed by lava in the crater since the 8,364-foot mountain reawakened with a drumfire of low-level seismic activity in September 2004.

The crater was formed by the southwest Washington volcano's deadly May 18, 1980, eruption that killed 57 people and blasted about 1,300 feet off the then-9,677-foot peak.

The most recent lava feature started growing in mid-October, Dzurisin said.

The emerging rock takes different shapes, depending on what it meets at the surface.

At the moment it's like toothpaste coming out of a tube. "As it emerges it's having to deal with its own debris, so we're seeing steeper-sided features looking more like spines," the geologist said.

The pace of the lava extrusion has slowed since October 2004, he added. For the past few months, St. Helens has been pushing lava to the surface at a pace of about 1 meter per second, down from 6 meters a second.

It's not yet clear whether it's slowing to a stop, or has reached a pace it can maintain for years or even decades, Dzurisin said.

"St. Helen's loves to build domes," he said. "It's built many in its history and we suspect some of those went on for decades.

"We might be in that situation — and then again we might not."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: chunk; falls; mount; rock; sthelens
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Rock Slab Growing at Mount St. Helens ^

In this photo provided by the USGS, a helicopter flies past a new 'slab' rock growth in the crater of Mount St. Helens, Friday, April 28, 2006. (AP Photo/USGS Cascades Volcano Observatory, Dan Dzurisin, FILE)

1 posted on 05/12/2006 9:26:51 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge; cogitator; ken5050

bttt


2 posted on 05/12/2006 9:27:56 PM PDT by kayak (Praying for MozartLover's son, Jemian's son, all our military, and our President every day!)
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To: NormsRevenge

MSH06_new_growth_from_brutus_camera_05-05-06.jpg

Mount St. Helens dome, as seen from the remote camera on "Brutus".
USGS Photograph taken on May 5, 2006.


MSH06_new_growth_from_brutus_camera_05-12-06.jpg

New growth on Mount St. Helens dome, as seen from the remote camera on "Brutus".
USGS Photograph taken on May 12, 2006.

3 posted on 05/12/2006 9:29:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge

I'm sure the MSM that is pushing the concept that the Rocky mountains, etc took millions of years to be formed is not going to like what is happening at Mount ST. Helens


4 posted on 05/12/2006 9:43:32 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: NormsRevenge

It's all Bush's fault!


5 posted on 05/12/2006 9:46:10 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: ReformedBeckite
I'm sure the MSM that is pushing the concept that the Rocky mountains, etc took millions of years to be formed is not going to like what is happening at Mount ST. Helens

Ummm...where exactly have you seen the MSM media discussing the formation of the Rockies, ever?

And the overwhelming majority of the Rockies are non-volcanic in origin, btw.

6 posted on 05/12/2006 9:46:12 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: ReformedBeckite

*****I'm sure the MSM that is pushing the concept that the Rocky mountains, etc took millions of years to be formed is not going to like what is happening at Mount ST. Helens*****

I must have missed that special. Not aware of THAT MSM conspiracy.

So how long DID the Rockies take to form? I dont think it was millions of years either. More like billions. =P


7 posted on 05/12/2006 9:48:41 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Texas Longhorns === National Champions !!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Ping!


8 posted on 05/12/2006 9:49:03 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: NormsRevenge

Great photos. Thanks for posting. When Mt. St. Helens blew, my husband was in North Dakota. By the time he arrived in Minnesota where we lived at the time, his car was covered in ash.


9 posted on 05/12/2006 9:51:05 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Zeppelin

Nah, not Billions of years for the Rockies. Tens of Millions. There were ancestral "Rockies" before the current Rockies, though.

Mount Saint Helens is a quite young volcano, likely no more than 40,000 years old, and no scientists have claimed otherwise. When you take into account erosion, and the fact that it has a tendency to keep destroying its top, when MSH does grow, it will do so pretty rapidly, geologically speaking.


10 posted on 05/12/2006 9:51:06 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: ReformedBeckite

I was thinking the same thing. Someone has to get over there and supress this anomaly.


11 posted on 05/12/2006 9:52:20 PM PDT by sine_nomine (No more RINO presidents. We need another Reagan.)
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To: Strategerist

ah. I wasnt aware. thanks!

learn something new every day.


12 posted on 05/12/2006 10:00:50 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Texas Longhorns === National Champions !!!)
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To: Zeppelin

Actually the current visible cone of Mt. St. Helens is only a little over 2,000 years old. It's the youngest of the Cascade volcanoes.


13 posted on 05/12/2006 10:02:44 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
OK, now darn it, Our President, is responsible for, terror attacks, hurricanes, problems with the intelligence agencies, but I will not allow him to be blamed for things that happened 40,000 years ago, I think a demonrat was in charge then.(grin)
14 posted on 05/12/2006 10:07:40 PM PDT by Foolsgold (dumped daschel he he he he)
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To: NormsRevenge

That is cool.


15 posted on 05/12/2006 10:08:51 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Strategerist
Ummm...where exactly have you seen the MSM media discussing the formation of the Rockies, ever?

Well directly they haven't mention anything, but your typical liberal believes in evolution and an earth that was formed over billions of years ago, vs the Creation opinion that the earth was created by God like say 10,000 years ago or what ever the Creationist figure is. When I went to school a long time ago, I was taught that the Rockies mountains were formed over millions of years from the earth plates colliding against each other, If you take what's been happening on Mount St. Helen in the last couple of years and figure growth rates on the dome, you can see that a mountain would not need millions of years to be formed, but that a mountain or mountain range could be realistically be formed in the Creationist time frame. I don't want this discussion to move away from it's original purpose and get into a Creation vs. Evolution debate. Never the less you would think that the MSM would do more reporting on what is going on at Mt. ST. Helens but they don't, The MSM spends almost all of it's time slamming Bush and pushing stuff like Global warming. For them to do much reporting on Mt. St. Helens might just bring up these issues between the Creationists vs the Evolutionist, which would work against their socialistic, anti Christian mentality.

Just to add another quick thought that is off the subject and that is the subject of global warming. In my opinion the real issue behind Global warming isn't the Global warming it self but to get people thinking that the earth was formed billions of years ago, thus taking away the mentality of the idea that the earth is fairly young and was created by God lets say 10,000 years ago. All the charts that the global warming people use show data, unproven data, over millions of years that they believe the earth was formed.

16 posted on 05/12/2006 10:22:58 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: Zeppelin
I would have to disagree with you as far as to how the earth came into being.

But off the subject, what kind of beer did you brew, I like the micro brewed beers and imported beers a lot better then the American mass produced beers. My favorites are the ales, especially those called Bitters over in Great Britain which I think is called a Pale Ale in the States.<--I'm not sure about that though.

17 posted on 05/12/2006 10:30:21 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: ReformedBeckite
If you take what's been happening on Mount St. Helen in the last couple of years and figure growth rates on the dome, you can see that a mountain would not need millions of years to be formed, but that a mountain or mountain range could be realistically be formed in the Creationist time frame.

Well, it's remarkably difficult to argue with someone who practically revels in and enjoys being ignorant, such as a Young-Earth Creationist, but I'll cover a couple of points.

1) As I've noted, Mount Saint Helens (not in the Rockies, btw) is a very young mountain, with volcanic activity at that location likely only 40,000 years old, and the present cone a bit over 2,000 years old. Scientists have NEVER claimed MSH is millions of years old, but I'm aware of various weird YEC strawman claims otherwise (it's rather difficult to keep track of such egregious producers of abject stupidity as YECs...there's so much to follow.)

2) And in no way, shape, or form is the rate of growth of the MSH dome, or the depth of the deposits from the 1980 eruption, any sort of shock or suprise to geologists, doesn't overturn any geological theories, and has no bearing on the earth in general being billions of years old and most mountains being tens of millions of years old, YEC fantasies otherwise.

3) And keep in mind Mount Saint Helens is SEVERAL THOUSAND FEET SHORTER now than it was when Westerners first saw it 150 years ago. You can't simply extrapolate out rates of dome growth for the last few years to derive an age of Mount Saint Helens (and like I've said, mainstream geologists don't claim the current cone is any older than a couple thousand years old anyway.)

4) As 1980 demonstrated, MSH has a history of violent eruptions, there have been dozens documented in the last few thousand years, a couple of them MUCH larger than the 1980 blast. In addition to erosion constantly shortening the mountain, it keeps blowing its top off; it has to grow pretty fast when it DOES grow or otherwise it wouldn't be a mountain, it would be a hole in the ground.

5) And as I've already noted, the current Rockies are in general, non-volcanic, and not volcanoes (there was a lot of big caldera volcanism in the region of the Rockies..not just Yellowstone...in the past few tens of millions of years, though. This generally left large nondescript holes in the ground, not mountains, however.) There are a variety of mountain ranges around the world that are rising, which can be directly measured by GPS...and it's never faster than about 1 centimeter a year. There's no conceivable way for the mountains of the earth to have been formed in 6,000 years. Sorry.

6) There's nothing "conservative" about Young Earth Creationism or "liberal" about believing the earth is 4+ billion years old. The former is simply blind, egregious stupidity of the worst sort, built largely on lies and deception and dubious interpretations of the Bible, and the latter is built on years of hard work by tens of thousands of scientists with no particular agenda other than the truth.

18 posted on 05/12/2006 10:37:58 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: ReformedBeckite

I believe that batch was a Oktoberfest Vienna Lager, my favorite so far. www.mrbeer.com

good stuff. my next batch is going to be an Irish Stout! =)


19 posted on 05/12/2006 10:46:05 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Texas Longhorns === National Champions !!!)
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To: Strategerist
"tens of thousands of scientists with no particular agenda other than the truth."

No agenda other than truth? Many do. Just as many wish to prove homosexuality is genetic. There are few without agendas.

20 posted on 05/12/2006 10:47:21 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: ReformedBeckite

I'm sure the MSM that is pushing the concept that the Rocky mountains, etc took millions of years to be formed is not going to like what is happening at Mount ST. Helens




GREAT point!


21 posted on 05/12/2006 10:55:05 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Strategerist

How many assumptions are involved in all your raked over theorizing?


22 posted on 05/12/2006 10:57:04 PM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: ReformedBeckite

Well directly they haven't mention anything, but your typical liberal believes in evolution and an earth that was formed over billions of years ago, vs the Creation opinion that the earth was created by God like say 10,000 years ago or what ever the Creationist figure is.



judging by some of the posters here, a lot of conservatives believe that too. Of course a conservative who's not a social conservative is no conservative at all.


23 posted on 05/12/2006 10:57:45 PM PDT by balch3
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To: NormsRevenge

i remember back in the 70's it had what's known as a "shoestring" glacier- a long thin strip of glacier going down the cone. it's a rare form and was destroyed in the '80 eruption.


24 posted on 05/12/2006 11:04:38 PM PDT by Riverine
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To: ReformedBeckite
I don't want this discussion to move away from it's original purpose and get into a Creation vs. Evolution debate.

Then why the heck did *you* bring it up out of the blue?

Anyway, the tripe you've posted is so nonsensical that it actually is really a standout post. And that's not a compliment.

25 posted on 05/12/2006 11:10:05 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: balch3
GREAT point!

Actually, it's a really, really stupid comment, revealing his total ignorance (or denial) of even the most basic, rudimentary geology. But whatever floats your ark, I guess.

26 posted on 05/12/2006 11:12:23 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
"It's all Bush's fault!"

No. Actually I did this.

27 posted on 05/12/2006 11:15:47 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: Strategerist

Knock off the insults.


28 posted on 05/12/2006 11:29:25 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: NormsRevenge

I live in Vancouver, WA. The number of people talking about this is ZERO. Barely covered in a sidebar in the local rag.


29 posted on 05/12/2006 11:33:02 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Peanut Gallery

Oh look, it's teething.


30 posted on 05/12/2006 11:37:59 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (The economy is just terrible. My staff has "only" tripled in 18 months.)
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To: blowfish
I actually am interested in a view that satisfies BOTH schools of thought. There are a few folks out there that believe the KJ version of Genesis 1.1 is inaccurate and that the word for "Created" can also be interpreted as "laid to waste" or something like "wiped clean". Thus perhaps the earth has been here for millions or billions of years, who knows for sure? Then about 6,000-10,000 years ago, the whole place was remade complete with humans in Gods image. Did humans exist before? Maybe..That sure would explain skulls found in coal mines wouldn't it? It also explains the sudden appearance of civilization and cities. I'll probably just wind up offending both sides, but I don't think the truth is 100% one or the other. I don't believe evolution is the answer, but I certainly don't believe the earth is only a few thousand years old either. It's time for some reverent thinking outside the box for answers that fit what we see AND what we believe. Oh and please be kind to each other.
31 posted on 05/12/2006 11:58:14 PM PDT by BRK
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To: NormsRevenge

Such great pictures! Thanks, I love to see this stuff.


32 posted on 05/13/2006 12:09:52 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

Amazing photos! The volcano erupted not upward, but sideways!


33 posted on 05/13/2006 3:32:15 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: sageb1
Our cars were covered from ash in Wisconsin.

I was on my way out to Montana on May 19, 1980.

They would not let anyone go beyond Butte, Montana the following night because the ash was so bad.

In Great Falls, Montana people had to use hoses to wash it off their cars. A month later it was being sold in bags for $5.00. Amazing!

34 posted on 05/13/2006 4:04:55 AM PDT by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: Northern Yankee
"A month later it was being sold in bags for $5.00. Amazing!"

I was going to mention that somewhere we have a baggie with ash in it. It was free, as we scraped it off the car. :)

35 posted on 05/13/2006 5:09:56 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: kayak

Thanks. Collapse was bound to happen; this didn't generate much of a pyroclastic flow (if any).


36 posted on 05/15/2006 11:18:45 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: ReformedBeckite

Subduction leads to orogeny.


37 posted on 05/15/2006 11:24:07 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: ReformedBeckite
I'm sure the MSM that is pushing the concept that the Rocky mountains, etc took millions of years to be formed is not going to like what is happening at Mount ST. Helens

Uh, Mt. St. Helens is one volcano. The Rockies stretch for a few thousand miles and are a mix of folded rocks and volcanic rocks that were uplifted, buried to their chins and then uplifted again. So there is no real comparison anyway.

38 posted on 05/15/2006 11:26:59 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: NormsRevenge

Looks like the mother of all grey teeth incisors.


39 posted on 05/15/2006 11:33:03 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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To: ReformedBeckite
If you take what's been happening on Mount St. Helen in the last couple of years and figure growth rates on the dome, you can see that a mountain would not need millions of years to be formed, but that a mountain or mountain range could be realistically be formed in the Creationist time frame.

Only if the entire range consisted of volcanoes, as is the case with many island chains, and perhaps the Cascades. The Rockies, Himalayas, and other massive ranges, however, are not volcanic, so a different explanation is required to account for them. Plate tectonics is being demonstrated on a fairly frequent basis, so that's a good place to start.

We now return you to regularly scheduled thread.

40 posted on 05/15/2006 11:33:58 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to Islam since 1959.)
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To: balch3

"judging by some of the posters here, a lot of conservatives believe that too. Of course a conservative who's not a social conservative is no conservative at all."

What the heck does crevo have to do with social function?


41 posted on 05/15/2006 11:37:24 AM PDT by Rebelbase (" Bush II: What's good for Mexico is good for America." --FReeper, Vigilanteman.)
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To: ReformedBeckite

They don't like being reminded either that a volcano can affect global climate more in one eruption than man has done in his-story.


42 posted on 05/15/2006 11:38:16 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Omnibus Gloria Fugit)
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To: cogitator

I just wish somebody would clean off the glass in front of the danged volcano-cam. I can't see a thing any more.


43 posted on 05/15/2006 11:46:23 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to Islam since 1959.)
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To: SlowBoat407

I hate to think what is behind that plug that is being pushed out.


44 posted on 05/15/2006 11:53:04 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
I hate to think what is behind that plug that is being pushed out.

I'm guessing it ain't champagne.

45 posted on 05/15/2006 11:54:41 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to Islam since 1959.)
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To: thackney
A month later it was being sold in bags for $5.00. Amazing!

Ash collection ping.

46 posted on 05/15/2006 11:59:12 AM PDT by Flyer (Tag line FINALLY approved by humblegunner)
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